SONY's Boss : *PS3 Has Become Lead Platform For 3rd Party Developers*

"Developers are telling us that they are starting to create their games on PS3 first and take advantage of the hardware capabilities and then port down to other platforms so we are seeing tremendous progress from the third party community in terms of what they are able to do with our development kits." - linkie

P.S. As usual, apologies if old.

"Developers are telling us that they are starting to create their games on PS3 first and take advantage of the hardware capabilities and then port down to other platforms so we are seeing tremendous progress from the third party community in terms of what they are able to do with our development kits." - linkie

P.S. As usual, apologies if old.

Mystery_Writer

This kind of news won't go over very well in a Lemming Dominated SW/GS, but I say, "We will have to see"

The Only 3rd developer that I know of that has openly said Their game will be better on PS3, is the HIGHLY respected Criterion. I tried CRITERION's Newest game coming out, Burnout Paradise, the Demo on 360, and it still looks good. I can't wait to try the PS3 version!

Course he doesn't say which developers (aside from Criterion, whose Burnout Paradise is indeed better on PS3), or how many developers, so it's up to you to figure out whether he's telling porky pies or not.

Sony never lies so this is good news.

Seriously though, I do think things are looking better for the PS3. It would be nice if he actually mentioned which 3rd parties are doing that.

dont they usually develop on the weakest system & then port to the rest?CwlHeddwyn

Well, the developers have been porting from the 360 all this time, so by your logic, what does that tell you?

You can't deny your own logic.

i think i herd this awhile ago, i know DMC4 and burnout has the ps3 as the lead platform and they are being ported over to the 360, and im sure those are not the only ones.

its funny because the fanboys really thought that the 360 would have better multiplats for the rest of this gen

i think i herd this awhile ago, i know DMC4 and burnout has the ps3 as the lead platform and they are being ported over to the 360,

mattyomo99

Oh yeah, I forgot about DMC4 being better on PS3 according to some sources. The difference there is that the Developers aren't saying it's better, it's just been noticed.

Criterion actually is telling people what's up with their latest game.

The PS3 is powerful, but it's hard to develop for when compared to the 360, but it's nice to see some developers step up to the challenge.

The 360 has had a good run, but it seems like it topped out when Gear of War (Xmas 2006) hit. Of course, surprises are still waiting in the wings, because I think my 360 still has some juice left.

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]dont they usually develop on the weakest system & then port to the rest?SolidTy

Well, the developers have been porting from the 360 all this time, so by your logic, what does that tell you?

You can't deny your own logic.

Ps3 can't run general code and has splitted memory banks so, Optimizing the game frist for single precision(which 360 does even better then standard code) and slitted memory and then porting is much easier.

[QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

i think i herd this awhile ago, i know DMC4 and burnout has the ps3 as the lead platform and they are being ported over to the 360,

SolidTy

Oh yeah, I forgot about DMC4 being better on PS3 according to some sources. The difference there is that the Developers aren't saying it's better, it's just been noticed.

Criterion actually is telling people what's up with their latest game.

The PS3 is powerful, but it's hard to develop for when compared to the 360, but it's nice to see some developers step up to the challenge.

The 360 has had a good run, but it seems like it topped out when Gear of War (Xmas 2006) hit. Of course, surprises are still waiting in the wings, because I think my 360 still has some juice left.

its funny because all the fan boys bash the ps3 for blu-ray not being needed, but its clearly going to be a HUGE advantage when games like GT5 and FFXIII come out. look at LO and blue dragon on the 360 both have multiple disks, Mass Effects main story is the shortest ive ever seen in a RPG, and new ips like LA noire are not even possible on the 360 because of disk space. If gears of war 2 dosnt look alot better then gears one, the 360willbemaxed out sadly

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]dont they usually develop on the weakest system & then port to the rest?lordxymor

Well, the developers have been porting from the 360 all this time, so by your logic, what does that tell you?

You can't deny your own logic.

Ps3 can't run general code and has splitted memory banks so, Optimizing the game frist for single precision(which 360 does even better then standard code) and slitted memory and then porting is much easier.

Oh, I know it's easier to make a game for 360 then port. Tjat post isn't about tech details.

Look at my point again, I am answering his question.

Wow. This thread is going over well.

Now its time to see what developers can really do when they are put to a new test.

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]dont they usually develop on the weakest system & then port to the rest?SolidTy

Well, the developers have been porting from the 360 all this time, so by your logic, what does that tell you?

You can't deny your own logic.

logic dictates that the developers have found the PS3 to be the weakest system.

its funny because all the fan boys bash the ps3 for blu-ray not being needed, but its clearly going to be a HUGE advantage when games like GT5 and FFXIII come out. look at LO and blue dragon on the 360 both have multiple disks, Mass Effects main story is the shortest ive ever seen in a RPG, and new ips like LA noire are not even possible on the 360 because of disk space. If gears of war 2 dosnt look alot better then gears one, the 360willbemaxed out sadly

mattyomo99

It's really funny that you used Lost Odyssey, a game that I get more playtime from just one disc than I can from games like Motorstorm, RFOM, HS and Uncharted in their entirety. That example defeats the purpose of Blu-ray.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]dont they usually develop on the weakest system & then port to the rest?CwlHeddwyn

Well, the developers have been porting from the 360 all this time, so by your logic, what does that tell you?

You can't deny your own logic.

logic dictates that the developers have found the PS3 to be the weakest system.

[QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

its funny because all the fan boys bash the ps3 for blu-ray not being needed, but its clearly going to be a HUGE advantage when games like GT5 and FFXIII come out. look at LO and blue dragon on the 360 both have multiple disks, Mass Effects main story is the shortest ive ever seen in a RPG, and new ips like LA noire are not even possible on the 360 because of disk space. If gears of war 2 dosnt look alot better then gears one, the 360willbemaxed out sadly

Pro_wrestler

It's really funny that you used Lost Odyssey, a game that I get more playtime from just one disc than I can from games like Motorstorm, RFOM, HS and Uncharted in their entirety. That example defeats the purpose of Blu-ray.

ok im using it as an example because itsa multiple disk game, if it were on the ps3 it would be a one disk game thats the only point i was making.

Best Third party Developer : Infinty Ward, Decent Third party Developer : Ubisoft Worst Third party Developer : EA these are for ports to the ps3 or multiplatform ( feel free to add to that ) Plus we'll see if capcom will be a good multiplatform developer or the next EA ( I highly doubt it ) tiger35010

capcom will be a great 3rd party dev, DMC4 uses the ps3 as the lead platform no EA bull

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

its funny because all the fan boys bash the ps3 for blu-ray not being needed, but its clearly going to be a HUGE advantage when games like GT5 and FFXIII come out. look at LO and blue dragon on the 360 both have multiple disks, Mass Effects main story is the shortest ive ever seen in a RPG, and new ips like LA noire are not even possible on the 360 because of disk space. If gears of war 2 dosnt look alot better then gears one, the 360willbemaxed out sadly

mattyomo99

It's really funny that you used Lost Odyssey, a game that I get more playtime from just one disc than I can from games like Motorstorm, RFOM, HS and Uncharted in their entirety. That example defeats the purpose of Blu-ray.

ok im using it as an example because itsa multiple disk game, if it were on the ps3 it would be a one disk game thats the only point i was making.

No you weren't. You were trying to convey PS3's "Superior" disc size when there is absolutely no excuse for its array of 10 hour games. Which makes all those superiority claims moot!

Sony never lies so this is good news.

Seriously though, I do think things are looking better for the PS3. It would be nice if he actually mentioned which 3rd parties are doing that.

the-very-best

wasn't the PS3 the lead console for the last virtua fighter I remember hearing how the PS3 was very similar to the graphics card in the arcade machine and that would make the PS3 version the best but then oh surprise the 360 version came out withslightly better graphics and more content.

lead platform obviously doesn't mean a lot.

wasn't the PS3 the lead console for the last virtua fighter I remember hearing how the PS3 was very similar to the graphics card in the arcade machine and that would make the PS3 version the best but then oh surprise the 360 version came out withslightly better graphics and more content.

lead platform obviously doesn't mean a lot.

boyinfridge

Should be better than last gen. The Xbox was clearly more powerful but was getting crappy PS2 ports. The platforms are pretty equal in power this gen (for now), so no one will get games that are so noticably downgraded.

As it is, the difference are so minor that I haven't even entertained replying to this and that post which points out the small differences. It's all a bit petty.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

i think i herd this awhile ago, i know DMC4 and burnout has the ps3 as the lead platform and they are being ported over to the 360,

mattyomo99

Oh yeah, I forgot about DMC4 being better on PS3 according to some sources. The difference there is that the Developers aren't saying it's better, it's just been noticed.

Criterion actually is telling people what's up with their latest game.

The PS3 is powerful, but it's hard to develop for when compared to the 360, but it's nice to see some developers step up to the challenge.

The 360 has had a good run, but it seems like it topped out when Gear of War (Xmas 2006) hit. Of course, surprises are still waiting in the wings, because I think my 360 still has some juice left.

its funny because all the fan boys bash the ps3 for blu-ray not being needed, but its clearly going to be a HUGE advantage when games like GT5 and FFXIII come out. look at LO and blue dragon on the 360 both have multiple disks, Mass Effects main story is the shortest ive ever seen in a RPG, and new ips like LA noire are not even possible on the 360 because of disk space. If gears of war 2 dosnt look alot better then gears one, the 360willbemaxed out sadly

[QUOTE="tiger35010"]Best Third party Developer : Infinty Ward, Decent Third party Developer : Ubisoft Worst Third party Developer : EA these are for ports to the ps3 or multiplatform ( feel free to add to that ) Plus we'll see if capcom will be a good multiplatform developer or the next EA ( I highly doubt it ) mattyomo99

capcom will be a great 3rd party dev, DMC4 uses the ps3 as the lead platform no EA bull

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]dont they usually develop on the weakest system & then port to the rest?SolidTy

Well, the developers have been porting from the 360 all this time, so by your logic, what does that tell you?

You can't deny your own logic.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This needs to bein a sig :lol:

i dont beleive it yet...

if it were true why do the ps3 versions still have less texturing and less aa????????

[QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

its funny because all the fan boys bash the ps3 for blu-ray not being needed, but its clearly going to be a HUGE advantage when games like GT5 and FFXIII come out. look at LO and blue dragon on the 360 both have multiple disks, Mass Effects main story is the shortest ive ever seen in a RPG, and new ips like LA noire are not even possible on the 360 because of disk space. If gears of war 2 dosnt look alot better then gears one, the 360willbemaxed out sadly

Pro_wrestler

It's really funny that you used Lost Odyssey, a game that I get more playtime from just one disc than I can from games like Motorstorm, RFOM, HS and Uncharted in their entirety. That example defeats the purpose of Blu-ray.

LO is an RPG. RPG games are suppose to be longer than games like RFOM, HS, and motorstorm. Now if you were comparing LO to FFXIII then it would be a different story.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]dont they usually develop on the weakest system & then port to the rest?CwlHeddwyn

Well, the developers have been porting from the 360 all this time, so by your logic, what does that tell you?

You can't deny your own logic.

logic dictates that the developers have found the PS3 to be the weakest system.

It doesn't dictates that its the weakest system, it dictates that its the hardest to develop for.

[QUOTE="mattyomo99"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

its funny because all the fan boys bash the ps3 for blu-ray not being needed, but its clearly going to be a HUGE advantage when games like GT5 and FFXIII come out. look at LO and blue dragon on the 360 both have multiple disks, Mass Effects main story is the shortest ive ever seen in a RPG, and new ips like LA noire are not even possible on the 360 because of disk space. If gears of war 2 dosnt look alot better then gears one, the 360willbemaxed out sadly

Pro_wrestler

It's really funny that you used Lost Odyssey, a game that I get more playtime from just one disc than I can from games like Motorstorm, RFOM, HS and Uncharted in their entirety. That example defeats the purpose of Blu-ray.

ok im using it as an example because itsa multiple disk game, if it were on the ps3 it would be a one disk game thats the only point i was making.

No you weren't. You were trying to convey PS3's "Superior" disc size when there is absolutely no excuse for its array of 10 hour games. Which makes all those superiority claims moot!

Its the developers fault. They have the disc space, they just need to take advantage of it. Right now, no one is really taking advantage of it.

[QUOTE="mattyomo99"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

i think i herd this awhile ago, i know DMC4 and burnout has the ps3 as the lead platform and they are being ported over to the 360,

jimbob9999

Oh yeah, I forgot about DMC4 being better on PS3 according to some sources. The difference there is that the Developers aren't saying it's better, it's just been noticed.

Criterion actually is telling people what's up with their latest game.

The PS3 is powerful, but it's hard to develop for when compared to the 360, but it's nice to see some developers step up to the challenge.

The 360 has had a good run, but it seems like it topped out when Gear of War (Xmas 2006) hit. Of course, surprises are still waiting in the wings, because I think my 360 still has some juice left.

its funny because all the fan boys bash the ps3 for blu-ray not being needed, but its clearly going to be a HUGE advantage when games like GT5 and FFXIII come out. look at LO and blue dragon on the 360 both have multiple disks, Mass Effects main story is the shortest ive ever seen in a RPG, and new ips like LA noire are not even possible on the 360 because of disk space. If gears of war 2 dosnt look alot better then gears one, the 360willbemaxed out sadly

Than was then this is now.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="mattyomo99"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

its funny because all the fan boys bash the ps3 for blu-ray not being needed, but its clearly going to be a HUGE advantage when games like GT5 and FFXIII come out. look at LO and blue dragon on the 360 both have multiple disks, Mass Effects main story is the shortest ive ever seen in a RPG, and new ips like LA noire are not even possible on the 360 because of disk space. If gears of war 2 dosnt look alot better then gears one, the 360willbemaxed out sadly

Soulja_West

It's really funny that you used Lost Odyssey, a game that I get more playtime from just one disc than I can from games like Motorstorm, RFOM, HS and Uncharted in their entirety. That example defeats the purpose of Blu-ray.

ok im using it as an example because itsa multiple disk game, if it were on the ps3 it would be a one disk game thats the only point i was making.

No you weren't. You were trying to convey PS3's "Superior" disc size when there is absolutely no excuse for its array of 10 hour games. Which makes all those superiority claims moot!

Its the developers fault. They have the disc space, they just need to take advantage of it. Right now, no one is really taking advantage of it.

I love how SONY put a positive spin on this. The reason why its become the lead platform is due to the difficulties devs had with the hardware and realized that the only way to release a decent multiplatform game on the PS3 is to start there and port to the rest.

360 can handle the port, however vice versa, the PS3 can't handle a 360 port...and ends up crap.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="mattyomo99"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

its funny because all the fan boys bash the ps3 for blu-ray not being needed, but its clearly going to be a HUGE advantage when games like GT5 and FFXIII come out. look at LO and blue dragon on the 360 both have multiple disks, Mass Effects main story is the shortest ive ever seen in a RPG, and new ips like LA noire are not even possible on the 360 because of disk space. If gears of war 2 dosnt look alot better then gears one, the 360willbemaxed out sadly

Soulja_West

It's really funny that you used Lost Odyssey, a game that I get more playtime from just one disc than I can from games like Motorstorm, RFOM, HS and Uncharted in their entirety. That example defeats the purpose of Blu-ray.

ok im using it as an example because itsa multiple disk game, if it were on the ps3 it would be a one disk game thats the only point i was making.

No you weren't. You were trying to convey PS3's "Superior" disc size when there is absolutely no excuse for its array of 10 hour games. Which makes all those superiority claims moot!

Its the developers fault. They have the disc space, they just need to take advantage of it. Right now, no one is really taking advantage of it.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to realize this. Seems really simple to me.

all i no is that dmc4 and burnout:p will but built on the ps3 then ported tot he 360

dont no about RES 5

but ubisoft has haze built on the ps3 and porting it to the xbox 3......oh wait it was cancelled :lol:

dear sony,

Which developers?

Thanks.

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]dont they usually develop on the weakest system & then port to the rest?SolidTy

Well, the developers have been porting from the 360 all this time, so by your logic, what does that tell you?

You can't deny your own logic.

"Developers are telling us that they are starting to create their games on PS3 first and take advantage of the hardware capabilities and then port down to other platforms so we are seeing tremendous progress from the third party community in terms of what they are able to do with our development kits." - linkie

P.S. As usual, apologies if old.

Mystery_Writer

Last generation as a huge xbox fan i was furious that i got waay watered down ports from the ps2. Could u imagine how much better GTA could have looked built from the ground up on the xbox then ported!

It would be no suprize to be to see sony doing this but what i cant understand is that there isant much the ps3 has over the 360 in terms of graphics and doesant seem much worth it in the end! If sony was seeing tremendios 3rd party sales they would be doing alot better!

Well seeing as this is the same guy who said: I will give you $1,200 if you can find a PS3 on store shelves at launch time.

I would sit and wait this out. It is most likely still PR spin.

Too bad PS3 owners buy multiplats and 3rd party games (Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, etc).

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For the people asking why the PS3 doesn't do 360 ports well, but the other can... I think it comes down to RAM. The PS3 has 512mb split into two equal dedicated chunk for graphics and non-graphics. Meaning that no matter how little of one is being used, the max the other can use is only 256. The 360 has a unified 512 so that you can get more into if the other thing (graphics or non-graphics) isn't using that much.

When porting to PS3, you always have to make sure that nothing is ever going over that 256 cap. When going to 360, there is no memory cap and currently not too many PS3 games are really taking advantage of the features that the PS3 does the the 360 can't.

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People need to stop with this whole disk size thing. That extra space is only gonna be used for HD videos... which aren't gameplay and therefore, IMO, aren't really the reason I buy games. Do you buy games to watch them rather than actually play them? If you think a shooting game is gonna come with 50gb of real game date (ie like 400 weapons, 600 multiplayer maps, 120 vehicles, etc) you're deluding yourself. Especially when that game is developed in the same amount of time as current games are? They'll just magically see these huge exponential increases in productivity? If you think we'll see massive (in pixel size or memory size) textures, you have to remember the ram limitation and think how smart is it to load up a 20 meg grass texture when you've only got 256 megs of graphics ram and you still have architecture, vehicles, weapons, and character textures (ie important stuff) that need to go into RAM.

1. What games?
2. What developers?

1. What games?
2. What developers?

Blackbond