Sony: MAG only possible on PS3, is an iteration of SOCOM

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#1 MightyMuna
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SCEA hardware marketing boss John Koller has claimed that upcoming multiplayer shooter MAG can only be built on PS3.

"MAG is a 256 online-player game which is spectacular," he said, talking to VG247 at GDC last week.

"If you look at that competitively, it's something that's only possible on PS3. The processor speed, the ability of PS3 to showcase 256 players at any given time, and their actions."

Koller went on to detail the Zipper Interactive game's concept.

"It's basically like an iteration of SOCOM, where you're maybe commanding the SEALs, and someone else has the Rangers, and the Green Berets, and so on," he said.

MAG was Sony's "big" announcement at the end of its 2008 E3 press conference.

A movie was shown of the title, featuring soldiers, vehicles and lots and lots of guns.

It's planned for release late this year.

SAUCE

I doubt it will be released this year.

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#2 Lto_thaG
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This will be one chaotic game...But I'm getting sick of the whole "The game is only possible on '...'"

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#3 Generalmojo
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It will be delayed

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#4 kingdre
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It will be delayed

Generalmojo
What he said. This is my mindset from now on when it comes to games. At least if it does get delayed, I won't be disappointed. If it's released on time, I'm happier. :P
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#5 Al3x_n90
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It will be delayed

Generalmojo

Most likely it will

This will be one chaotic game...But I'm getting sick of the whole "The game is only possible on '...'"

Lto_thaG

Yeah it's getting kinda annoying :?

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#6 rzepak
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I like how Sony is talking about a game of which they have shown basically nothing. I can say that everything is possible on PC and that will be one thing that will always be true. Whether it cant be done on 360, I sieriously doubt it too. Wii? Yeah ok Ill give them that. It cant be done on the Wii.

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#7 BoloTheGreat
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This will be one chaotic game...But I'm getting sick of the whole "The game is only possible on '...'"

Lto_thaG
Sony needs to stop its PR machine from embarasing itelf once more, Remeber the whole "FF13 only possible on PS3" thing? i think we pretty much know that a game of this type would be possible on the 360 simply because the two systems are so freaking similar! who do people contunie to do this? "Blah blah blah blah KZ2...." is all i hear on this forum, the game is a pretty competant shooter which a lacking storyline, i.e. its the same as pretty much every other shooter out there.
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#8 Episode_Eve
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It will be delayed

Generalmojo
Yeah, I don't see a game this ambitious releasing so soon. Unless Sony markets and hypes the crap out of it after E3.
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#9 wayne_kar
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hope that they change the name. MAG is terrible. teeerrrrrible

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#10 Girsej
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It's obvious that it's only possible on the PS3, Zipper Interactive is owned by Sony. What they really mean is:

"MAG is only possible on the PS3 because we own the studio that's making it."

Now, could a game with 256 players be done on the 360? I don't know, you don't know, so STFU! Speculating is only going to give fodder to trolls and other idiots.

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#11 MightyMuna
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hope that they change the name. MAG is terrible. teeerrrrrible

wayne_kar
honestly, I like it. its so lame that it is cool.
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#12 BoloTheGreat
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It's obvious that it's only possible on the PS3, Zipper Interactive is owned by Sony. What they really mean is:

"MAG is only possible on the PS3 because we own the studio that's making it."

Now, could a game with 256 players be done on the 360? I don't know, you don't know, so STFU! Speculating is only going to give fodder to trolls and other idiots.

Girsej
We can say with a cerain ammount of confidence that it is, the two systems are pretty much identical.
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#13 Slambo86
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hope that they change the name. MAG is terrible. teeerrrrrible

wayne_kar
I like it, short and sweet. Has a nice ring to it when thinking Weaponry.
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#14 BoloTheGreat
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[QUOTE="wayne_kar"]

hope that they change the name. MAG is terrible. teeerrrrrible

Slambo86
I like it, short and sweet. Has a nice ring to it when thinking Weaponry.

I couldn't hear your post over the mooing :|
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#15 Slambo86
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This guy might not be far off from the truth, the PS3 has an advantage when it comes to doing more on screen at one given time. How much of an advantage, we shall see.
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#16 Slambo86
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[QUOTE="Slambo86"][QUOTE="wayne_kar"]

hope that they change the name. MAG is terrible. teeerrrrrible

BoloTheGreat
I like it, short and sweet. Has a nice ring to it when thinking Weaponry.

I couldn't hear your post over the mooing :|

Boy thats original, how long did you work on that one, sweetheart?
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#17 MightyMuna
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[QUOTE="Slambo86"][QUOTE="wayne_kar"]

hope that they change the name. MAG is terrible. teeerrrrrible

BoloTheGreat
I like it, short and sweet. Has a nice ring to it when thinking Weaponry.

I couldn't hear your post over the mooing :|

dude, because he likes the name of the game, means he is a super fanboy? or am I missing something.
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#18 -Reggaeton-
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[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]

[QUOTE="Generalmojo"]

It will be delayed

Most likely it will

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

This will be one chaotic game...But I'm getting sick of the whole "The game is only possible on '...'"

Yeah it's getting kinda annoying :?

This year i dont even consider that as a negative. The ps3 is really hurtingi my wallet. The same couldent be said about the other systems because of the lack of quality software.
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#19 Floppy_Jim
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So the PC doesn't exist now, Sony. That's great.
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#20 killerfist
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SCEA hardware marketing boss... MightyMuna
I stopped reading there.
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#21 AdrianWerner
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Yep, only possible on PS3, that's why PC did it 6 years ago, with actualy more players in battle than MAG

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#22 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="Slambo86"][QUOTE="wayne_kar"]

hope that they change the name. MAG is terrible. teeerrrrrible

BoloTheGreat
I like it, short and sweet. Has a nice ring to it when thinking Weaponry.

I couldn't hear your post over the mooing :|

MAG sounds cool. It has a gun-like and important vibe to it. Now I hope no one goes around actually calling it Massive Action Game. That would be funny :P.
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#23 Nike_Air
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I wouldn't be so sure that it isn't coming out this fiscal year

  • Zipper's last game shipped in Nov , 2006
  • This is multiplayer only focused - so that's one less thing they have to worry about

They confirmed it for fiscal 2009 at least , and I'm sure they have been playing it for quite some time now. They'll start showing it pretty soon.

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#24 Malta_1980
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hope i'm wrong but i dont see the game getting released this year.. if i have to be optimistic i'd say summer 2010..

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#25 pamplinas322
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I guess he forgot about the PC.
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#26 Episode_Eve
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hope i'm wrong but i dont see the game getting released this year.. if i have to be optimistic i'd say summer 2010..

Malta_1980
Whenever it is, I know I'll probably be playing it. I'm sure they'll showcase it at E3 though.
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#27 Malta_1980
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[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

hope i'm wrong but i dont see the game getting released this year.. if i have to be optimistic i'd say summer 2010..

Episode_Eve

Whenever it is, I know I'll probably be playing it. I'm sure they'll showcase it at E3 though.

i'll make sure to get it too... :) too bad lately didnt have much time to spend gaming :( (hope to cya soon online on KZ2)

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#28 colosion
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If this game is released in the fall it will get crushed by COD6.

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[QUOTE="wayne_kar"]

hope that they change the name. MAG is terrible. teeerrrrrible

MightyMuna

honestly, I like it. its so lame that it is cool.

Better hope it doesn't Lag! Hahahhahahaa

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#30 MachoBuzzzy
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It has delayed all over it
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#31 angry_fork
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Why do you guys keep mentioning "oh he forgot about PC haha".

You guys need to get it through your head that Sony is talking about consoles, the only thing they're talking about when they say stuff like that is against the 360. That's their main priority is trying to 1-up the 360.

PC and Wii are in categories of their own, Wii is focused on a different market and PC is capable of doing a lot more then consoles due to advancing hardware, it's just different like that and I have a high-end PC and played Joint Ops when it was big way back when which was 150 players I believe or more.

I know PC is capable of having a bunch of players but stop butchering Sony's statement when it's obvious he's just trying to downplay 360 with his PR BS.

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#32 angry_fork
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If this game is released in the fall it will get crushed by COD6.

colosion
Agreed, Sony has a nasty habit of releasing their big games around other hyped multi-plats, I don't get why they always do that. The same thing is happening with Infamous and Prototype which are both releasing around June I think.
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#33 Episode_Eve
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If this game is released in the fall it will get crushed by COD6.

colosion
You mean by sales numbers? Sure lol. We really don't know about the quality of the games in comparison yet though. MW2 is pretty much guaranteed to be great, but MAG is made by Zipper.
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#34 sikanderahmed
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So the PC doesn't exist now, Sony. That's great. Floppy_Jim

no one gives a damn about pc, i hope MAG is great.

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#35 river_rat3117
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god i hope zipper pulls it off. they made me lose so much of my life with socom 2 and im looking forword to losing more with this game. lol. i still kind of wish they made socom still then this new one wouldnt feel so out of place, even though its still very fun
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#36 walkingdream
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Everytime sony says something i end up doing this.....:roll:

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#37 HuusAsking
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You know, I have seen all these "only possible" claims and so far have only found one claim with any shred of validity: disc space, and even that is conditional on the ability of the game to be compressed and spanned (MGS4 is theoretically possible because it is linear). From a purely technical standpoint, I haven't been able to find one other thing the PS3 or 360 can do that its opposite simply cannot do and is actually worthwhile. Both are capable of 1080p, even 1920x1080p output, but only in limited circumstances. The PS3 can do lossless audio, but so can the 360; they just don't do it because of space concerns and the fact that the average human ear can't perceive the difference most of the time. Both have the same amount of RAM, and dev costs tend to be a bigger restraint on huge games than disc space, so what there is left to try to differentiate oneself.

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#38 jyoung312
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It's obvious that it's only possible on the PS3, Zipper Interactive is owned by Sony. What they really mean is:

"MAG is only possible on the PS3 because we own the studio that's making it."

Now, could a game with 256 players be done on the 360? I don't know, you don't know, so STFU! Speculating is only going to give fodder to trolls and other idiots.

Girsej
Until live does a game with 60 players lag free then Sony can talk as much smack as they want. Most big name times on ps3 boast at least 32 players (warhawk, r:fom. r2, socom, kz2) whereas only a select hand full ever reach that count on 360 (pd0, frontline) and some of 360's biggest games are known for lag or host advantage (cough gears)
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#39 colosion
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[QUOTE="colosion"]

If this game is released in the fall it will get crushed by COD6.

Episode_Eve
You mean by sales numbers? Sure lol. We really don't know about the quality of the games in comparison yet though. MW2 is pretty much guaranteed to be great, but MAG is made by Zipper.

yeah, i am talking sales wise. And I think it will be very difficult for MAG to have enough players to garantee its sucess. Most of the multiplayer fanactics will be playing COD6. Still I am very interested in what zipper can do.
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[QUOTE="MightyMuna"]SCEA hardware marketing boss... killerfist
I stopped reading there.

lol could not agree more. Any time you see "marketing" in a paragraph you can pretty much skip by. Wouldn't believe a MS marketing person talking about a game and I'm certainly not going to believe a Sony one. I might believe a NIntendo one though, as I'm sure Wii Cleaning and Wii Eating are only possible on the Wii :P
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#41 Jade_Monkey
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Two letters Sony: PC. If they had of said that it wasn't possible on Wii or 360 i'd of been cool with it, but their puny system has nothing on PC hardware wise and they ought to know it.

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#42 killerfist
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[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="MightyMuna"]SCEA hardware marketing boss... blue_hazy_basic
I stopped reading there.

lol could not agree more. Any time you see "marketing" in a paragraph you can pretty much skip by. Wouldn't believe a MS marketing person talking about a game and I'm certainly not going to believe a Sony one. I might believe a NIntendo one though, as I'm sure Wii Cleaning and Wii Eating are only possible on the Wii :P

haha lol I agree. Personally, I don't believe anything what MS and Sony say. They throw too much with BS. They're about equal.
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#43 PoppaGamer
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It will be delayed

Generalmojo
Holy crap you owned the TC, dude! We should totally ignore discussing the game because it could be delayed just as any game can be. :roll:
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#44 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Girsej"]

It's obvious that it's only possible on the PS3, Zipper Interactive is owned by Sony. What they really mean is:

"MAG is only possible on the PS3 because we own the studio that's making it."

Now, could a game with 256 players be done on the 360? I don't know, you don't know, so STFU! Speculating is only going to give fodder to trolls and other idiots.

jyoung312
Until live does a game with 60 players lag free then Sony can talk as much smack as they want. Most big name times on ps3 boast at least 32 players (warhawk, r:fom. r2, socom, kz2) whereas only a select hand full ever reach that count on 360 (pd0, frontline) and some of 360's biggest games are known for lag or host advantage (cough gears)

Well, Live did around 50 last gen. Sounds to me like the barrier is not computing power but logistics--I read a lot of complaints of things getting pretty chaotic in R2 free-for-alls.
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#45 AnnoyedDragon
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Both Sony and especially Microsoft recognise PC gaming, but at the end of the day they are in competition with each other; so any comments not directly aimed at PC have to be considered to be aimed at the competition.

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#46 PoppaGamer
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[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="MightyMuna"]SCEA hardware marketing boss... blue_hazy_basic
I stopped reading there.

lol could not agree more. Any time you see "marketing" in a paragraph you can pretty much skip by. Wouldn't believe a MS marketing person talking about a game and I'm certainly not going to believe a Sony one. I might believe a NIntendo one though, as I'm sure Wii Cleaning and Wii Eating are only possible on the Wii :P

Except, in this case, nothing on the 360 proves the dude wrong, when you look at number of players in an online MP. So far Resistance 2, holds the console record for number of players online. What does 360 have that's even close to that? Let alone 200+ players. Now, don't get me wrong. Its quite the undertaking for Zipper to have a game run smooth with all of that going on. But even if its half of that, its still much, much larger than 360's biggest online MP. Truth is truth, no matter who's mouth it comes out of. And, right now, nothing on the 360 now or coming proves him wrong. I get what you are saying about marketing people. I agree that most of what comes out of their mouth is garbage and PR spin.
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#47 AnnoyedDragon
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Truth is truth, no matter who's mouth it comes out of. And, right now, nothing on the 360 now or coming proves him wrong.PoppaGamer

Nothing on PS3 proves him right either, just promises that a game people have seen very little of will be capable of this.

Now I've been in online games so I know it's possible to get a couple of hundred people in the same place if it is optimized well, EverQuest back in the day could manage over 200 in the Bazaar at the same time for instance; admittedly if your PC was up to it.

On a console however there are no real world examples I am aware of, it will be interesting to see what they will have to do to make it possible; I wouldn't expect modern level console graphics.

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#48 PoppaGamer
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[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]Truth is truth, no matter who's mouth it comes out of. And, right now, nothing on the 360 now or coming proves him wrong.AnnoyedDragon

Nothing on PS3 proves him right either, just promises that a game people have seen very little of will be capable of this.

Now I've been in online games so I know it's possible to get a couple of hundred people in the same place if it is optimized well, EverQuest back in the day could manage over 200 in the Bazaar at the same time for instance; admittedly if your PC was up to it.

On a console however there are no real world examples I am aware of, it will be interesting to see what they will have to do to make it possible.

Great straw-man argument. Its the same lameness heard before Resistance 2's release, and it delivered on the numbers promise. In reality, what do you think will happen? Let's say they can't handle 250 players or whatever, let's say they bring it down to 100. That STILL kills the 360's biggest MP numbers. Get it?
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#49 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]Truth is truth, no matter who's mouth it comes out of. And, right now, nothing on the 360 now or coming proves him wrong.PoppaGamer

Nothing on PS3 proves him right either, just promises that a game people have seen very little of will be capable of this.

Now I've been in online games so I know it's possible to get a couple of hundred people in the same place if it is optimized well, EverQuest back in the day could manage over 200 in the Bazaar at the same time for instance; admittedly if your PC was up to it.

On a console however there are no real world examples I am aware of, it will be interesting to see what they will have to do to make it possible.

Great straw-man argument. Its the same lameness heard before Resistance 2's release, and it delivered on the numbers promise. In reality, what do you think will happen? Let's say they can't handle 250 players or whatever, let's say they bring it down to 100. That STILL kills the 360's biggest MP numbers. Get it?

But you still can't prove the 360 can't do it for technical reasons and not logistic. Remember, Live had a game that did around 50 last gen. Sounds like netcode is the least of your worries.
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#50 TheGrat1
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Then please, oh please, change the name. Even if its just SOCOM: M.A.G. it will be better than what it is now.
I guess he forgot about the PC.pamplinas322
1. It should be common sense by now to assume he is talking about consoles. SCE probably doesnt even see the PC as competition. 2. Not every PC could run M.A.G.