Sony Execs are really talking trash now. Does MS have a comeback?

Talking to Gamasutra during a one-on-one interview, Peter Dille, the new senior vice president of marketing for PlayStation maintained that the 360 cannot sustain itself over a 10 year cycle - and also stated that he believes HD DVD will be dead within months. Here's an excerpt of the conversation, which will eventually be published in full.

Gamasutra: I feel like now we're at a 10 year cycle for console profitability for everyone except Nintendo at this point...

Peter Dille: Except Microsoft too!

Gamasutra: I'm not saying they're profitable.

PD: They're also not 10 year! The first Xbox was around for 4 or 5 years, and then they stopped making software for it.

Gamasutra: I'm just saying it's a longer tail before Sony and Microsoft will make money.

PD: I don't want to be argumentative, but I take issue with Microsoft either having a long tail, or being profitable, because they've never done either. They've never made a dime in this business, number one, and number two, they've never had a tail. They've never been successful enough to have a tail! So the notion of a back half of the curve doesn't exist for them. They stopped the Xbox and I kind of feel for the guy that bought an Xbox the month before they said 'we're out of business, we're moving on.' The reason I get a little emotional about that is it's in stark contrast to our approach. If we've got something that says PlayStation, we're going to stand behind it for 10 years, and deliver games like God of War II in the 7th year of the cycle.

With the Xbox 360 you've got an inconsistent design, some have a harddrive, some don't, and none of them have Blu-Ray, and the HD DVD will be out of business in a matter of months. Is this a 10 year product? And by the way it doesn't even work. Do they want to be selling it for 10 years and refurbishing them all for 10 more years? I don't think that's a 10 year product. You could disagree with me, or they could disagree with me, but I'd put that up against the PS3 any day.

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sony makes me laugh how they never cease to say "bu bu ten year cycle". What a giant load.skullkrusher13

What Life cycle are you expecting. Mind you they have to recoup early loses taken. They aren't gonna make a new console this early. pS3 and 360 expect long lifes

Well, he's not really pulling anything from his rear... but it is of course biased. But really, you can't refute what they did to the Xbox. They left it for dead. Yet somehow the PS2 is still the 2nd best selling console, with a few excellent and many decent games that have been coming out these last few months.

As for HD-DVD being dead in months... I think we'll see traces of HD-DVD throughout the next year. But really, as PS3 sales increase and Blu-Ray begins to catch on even more, it's just a matter of time for HD-DVD. The support behind that format is nearly non-exsistant.

sony makes me laugh how they never cease to say "bu bu ten year cycle". What a giant load.skullkrusher13

They've supported the PS1... yes for 10 years.

They've supported the PS2... yes for 7 years... 3 more years to go.

Why do you think it's any difference with the PS3?

I am a huge cow but this '10 year life cycle' **** has to stop.theburg

why? the PS2 is in its 7th year.

Well, he's not really pulling anything from his rear... but it is of course biased. But really, you can't refute what they did to the Xbox. They left it for dead. Yet somehow the PS2 is still the 2nd best selling console, with a few excellent and many decent games that have been coming out these last few months.

As for HD-DVD being dead in months... I think we'll see traces of HD-DVD throughout the next year. But really, as PS3 sales increase and Blu-Ray begins to catch on even more, it's just a matter of time for HD-DVD. The support behind that format is nearly non-exsistant.

Primevil702

I agree.

[QUOTE="theburg"]I am a huge cow but this '10 year life cycle' **** has to stop.Jada_Kiss

why? the PS2 is in its 7th year.

So what. Every dev except first party will have moved on by next year. There will be no AAAs for PS2 again. Just because they produce stuff for it for 10 years doenst mean its not going to be crap. They can produce stuff for PS3 for 10 years but it will be crap too and the devs will be focusing on PS4.

This 10 year life cycle is bullock and Sony knows it!

Does consoles last 10 years? Yes. Check out the PS1 and soon PS2. But do they REALLY last 10 years? The answer is not just a no but a HELL no! Even if PS1 lasted 10 years and looks like PS2 will too, just how much support they recieved during those last 5 years?

I mean what would happen say in 2012 when MS or Nintendo comes out with consoles more powerful than the PS3? Will Sony be stupid and say, "Nah, we won't compete because we gotta get the PS3 through that 10 year life cycle!" Anyway, the point is, consoles last as long as developers makes games for it. If developers makes games, it will last. If they don't, then you are screwed! Now even if the PS3 is on a 10 year schedule, if at the end of 5 or 6, the avearge life span of most consoles, developers starts to concentrate on teh "Next-GEn," then the PS3 is dead no matter what and with current performance, I don't think it will even last that long!

At least he makes a good point about the 360s that continue to break down. How are they supposed to last with all the hardware failures?

And I'm also getting kind of tired of their talk about 10 year cycles. It's definitely a nice little PR spin, but they're overusing it and sounding desperate right now.

[QUOTE="skullkrusher13"]sony makes me laugh how they never cease to say "bu bu ten year cycle". What a giant load.Blinblingthing

What Life cycle are you expecting. Mind you they have to recoup early loses taken. They aren't gonna make a new console this early. pS3 and 360 expect long lifes

MS is already working on the new xbox, and ps3 is not going to last 10 years. Please.

[QUOTE="Blinblingthing"]

[QUOTE="skullkrusher13"]sony makes me laugh how they never cease to say "bu bu ten year cycle". What a giant load.skullkrusher13

What Life cycle are you expecting. Mind you they have to recoup early loses taken. They aren't gonna make a new console this early. pS3 and 360 expect long lifes

MS is already working on the new xbox, and ps3 is not going to last 10 years. Please.

Maybe they're conceptualizing one, but they're certainly not developing it.

[QUOTE="Blinblingthing"]

[QUOTE="skullkrusher13"]sony makes me laugh how they never cease to say "bu bu ten year cycle". What a giant load.skullkrusher13

What Life cycle are you expecting. Mind you they have to recoup early loses taken. They aren't gonna make a new console this early. pS3 and 360 expect long lifes

MS is already working on the new xbox, and ps3 is not going to last 10 years. Please.

MS is working on next gen and Sony and Nintendo aren't?

PS2 has lasted 7 years and they're still making software for them, so 10 years is very possible.

I wouldn't expect anything less from Sony...they always talk the talk but put up the smoke and mirrors before they walk the walk.

MS shows you the games and then that's it. I'm not going to bash a company for being direct.

[QUOTE="skullkrusher13"][QUOTE="Blinblingthing"]

[QUOTE="skullkrusher13"]sony makes me laugh how they never cease to say "bu bu ten year cycle". What a giant load.anklebreakr

What Life cycle are you expecting. Mind you they have to recoup early loses taken. They aren't gonna make a new console this early. pS3 and 360 expect long lifes

MS is already working on the new xbox, and ps3 is not going to last 10 years. Please.

MS is working on next gen and Sony and Nintendo aren't?

PS2 has lasted 7 years and they're still making software for them, so 10 years is very possible.

1. Yes, why haven't you heard from J Allard for awhile? He said (forgot where)yes, they are working on a next gen xbox already.

2. ps2 was by far and away the winner of last gen, you think it has 3 years left? I doubt it, and even if it does, how is that relevant to the ps3, which is behind, and won't be the winner this gen unless they drop their price to $300 tommorrow.

Is the interview legit? It sounds fishy.

bleh, PS1 only had a 6 year life cycle at best o.o

PS2 had the longest because of its massive install base.....

If the current 'ps3 trend' keeps up, they wont be in for 10 years. I can bet that.

he says the xbox is not profitable whilst the ps3 looses something like $200 on each console bhahahahahahahahahahahaha. this guy is mentally defective

MS shows you the games and then that's it. I'm not going to bash a company for being direct. Puckhog04

Not to mention the defective consoles, which then proceed to scratch up those games they show you.

[QUOTE="Primevil702"]

Well, he's not really pulling anything from his rear... but it is of course biased. But really, you can't refute what they did to the Xbox. They left it for dead. Yet somehow the PS2 is still the 2nd best selling console, with a few excellent and many decent games that have been coming out these last few months.

As for HD-DVD being dead in months... I think we'll see traces of HD-DVD throughout the next year. But really, as PS3 sales increase and Blu-Ray begins to catch on even more, it's just a matter of time for HD-DVD. The support behind that format is nearly non-exsistant.

GKinnel

I agree.

Me too. He took the words out of my mouth...or my fingers :P.

:lol:

loved the answers!

why? because yes, those are arrogant answers, but you can't deny that it's all true.

This 10 year life cycle is bullock and Sony knows it!

Does consoles last 10 years? Yes. Check out the PS1 and soon PS2. But do they REALLY last 10 years? The answer is not just a no but a HELL no! Even if PS1 lasted 10 years and looks like PS2 will too, just how much support they recieved during those last 5 years?

StryderK

Well last year was year 6 and was awesome for PS2 owners. This is year 7 and we got GOW2, Tomb Raider Legends and just about every 3rd party Wii game out there.

What's Sony going to do in 4-6 years when Microsoft reveals it's next system with better graphics than the ps3? Graphics are the only thing that seem to attract people and developers to the system, so when that occurs, sony's done. They're already losing record amounts of money, but I guess they aren't satisfied.yoshi-lnex

I think you;ve never heard of the Nintendo Wii.

If Microsoft launches a new graphically better system, I could see Sony just dropping its PS3 to the $129 range and hold off another year or two with the purpose of blowing away the new Xbox in graphics afterward.

I think with the PS3, they're learning that if they had waited another year, they would have been ok.

well my ps2 is 7years old and still works, still play it

my dreamcast is coming up on 8 years old, still works, still play it

my n64 still works, still play it.

my 3 xbox's.....don't.

the man speaks the truth

just this month im going to buy guitar hero rock the 80's exclusively for ps2

and earliar this year i bought god of war 2

as for xbox i think the last game i bought was half life 2 back in 05 LOL

This 10 year life cycle is bullock and Sony knows it!

Does consoles last 10 years? Yes. Check out the PS1 and soon PS2. But do they REALLY last 10 years? The answer is not just a no but a HELL no! Even if PS1 lasted 10 years and looks like PS2 will too, just how much support they recieved during those last 5 years?

I mean what would happen say in 2012 when MS or Nintendo comes out with consoles more powerful than the PS3? Will Sony be stupid and say, "Nah, we won't compete because we gotta get the PS3 through that 10 year life cycle!" Anyway, the point is, consoles last as long as developers makes games for it. If developers makes games, it will last. If they don't, then you are screwed! Now even if the PS3 is on a 10 year schedule, if at the end of 5 or 6, the avearge life span of most consoles, developers starts to concentrate on teh "Next-GEn," then the PS3 is dead no matter what and with current performance, I don't think it will even last that long!

StryderK

actually yes i played my PSone and ps2 to exhaustation, i belive in the ten year cicle , SNES had a similiar one ,, nes too , even more so , i they stop releasing games in the next year with the humongous amount of game i haven`t played i think i can pull 1 or 2 years more :S

First off, this has already been posted...just like 5 minutes ago. Take a second to scan the front page before just making another thread to up your own post count.

Second, if MS is smart they will keep their mouth shut. Sony has been taking a beating over the last year or so and now that they've gotten people's attention again, they are going to start doing what they can to cash in WHILE they can. But in a couple months, nothing will have changed and MS will still have more games and better sales.

MS saying something now would simply put them in a defensive position.

MS shows you the games and then that's it. I'm not going to bash a company for being direct.

Puckhog04

They also abandoned their 20 million Xbox owners and forced anyone who wanted to continue playing quality MS games to upgrade their systems to a 360.

Developer and publishers know that there are 100+ million PS2s out there so there will still be some decent games coming out for the system for the next 2 to 3 years.

Sony likes to talk about 10yr console cycles, but they release new consoles every 6yrs.

"but....but....bu...but TEH DECADE LiFECYCLE....."

Sony likes to talk about 10yr console cycles, but they release new consoles every 6yrs.

"but....but....bu...but TEH DECADE LiFECYCLE....."

LosDaddie

And then they support the olderconsole with games for 2+ years after that. Unlike MS who releases a new console every 4 years and then completely kills support to force people to buy their new console. Oh, and how's that backwards compatibility support coming along?

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Sony likes to talk about 10yr console cycles, but they release new consoles every 6yrs.

"but....but....bu...but TEH DECADE LiFECYCLE....."

Rosencrantz

And then they support the olderconsole with games for 2+ years after that. Unlike MS who releases a new console every 4 years and then completely kills support to force people to buy their new console. Oh, and how's that backwards compatibility support coming along?

You again? :lol: :lol: You've got to be my favorite cow!:)

Yeah, 2+ extra years of support. :roll: GOWII is the last PS2 game I'll buy. I'm fully into the next gen.

oh and BC is coming along nicely. New BC update released. However, BC is a non-issue for me. Halo2 is the only Xbox game I've played on my x360 and GOWII is the only game I've played on my PS3.

I don't care about BC.

I think M$ should try to make the 360 last as long as the PS3, I don't know about you guys but I don't feel like dropping $400+ on a new system anytime soon.

The 360 can last 10 years too.

hahaha.

10 year cycle.

MS is already working on the next xbox. it'll come out and beat the PS3 to death when it's in it's 5th year and FINALLY seeing some decent games, and maybe caught up to the 360 or Wii.

I think M$ should try to make the 360 last as long as the PS3, I don't know about you guys but I don't feel like dropping $400+ on a new system anytime soon.

The 360 can last 10 years too.

no_submission

if i have to wait 10 years for the next gen i think i'll be done with console gaming. technology moves way too quick these days, personally i'd like to have a new xbox next year, or the year after at the latest.

[QUOTE="anklebreakr"]

MS is working on next gen and Sony and Nintendo aren't?

PS2 has lasted 7 years and they're still making software for them, so 10 years is very possible. skullkrusher13

1. Yes, why haven't you heard from J Allard for awhile? He said (forgot where)yes, they are working on a next gen xbox already.

2. ps2 was by far and away the winner of last gen, you think it has 3 years left? I doubt it, and even if it does, how is that relevant to the ps3, which is behind, and won't be the winner this gen unless they drop their price to $300 tommorrow.

1. Trust me, all 3 companies are working on next gen, not just MS.

2. The PS2 is the #2 selling console, so there are a lot of people that still haven't played single PS2 game. Also, don't forget that there are a lot of games in Asia and Europe that never make it here to the U.S. Like I said 3 years is very possible.