So SW how do you classify a JRPG?

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#1 casharmy
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Alot of people try to put JRPGs into a specific category and say what it can and can not be, so I want to try to get a general consensus of what system wars thinks a JRPG is.

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#2 mems_1224
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rpg from japan....usually sucks
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#3 Demonjoe93
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An RPG from Japan? I guess they're often turn-based as well.

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#4 AdrianWerner
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Japanese-styled RPG

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#5 PC360Wii
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Japan, feeds the webos, linear .....
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#6 IAmNot_fun
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Japanese Role Playing Game. Role Playing Game from Japan. I don't see how people are still debating over this.
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#7 Dark_man123
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A japanese Role Playing Game is a RPG that was created in japan.

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#8 Led_poison
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Is it from Japan

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#9 Yangire
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Japanese Role Playing Game. Role Playing Game from Japan. I don't see how people are still debating over this.IAmNot_fun

Agreed, if I want to describe how the game plays I would use the appropriate sub-genre, not JRPG or WRPG.

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Today I would classify a JRPG as any game in the RPG genre that emphasizes fantastical elements over immersive elements.

If Skyrim was made in Japan, it would still count as an WRPG for me.

This definition does not hold for games made in the '80s or the '90s.

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#11 Wiimotefan
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The term RPG as applied to video games really has no meaning anymore. Both the east and west (yes even the west) fail at making true RPGs for the most part. And I'm fine with that.

To me an rpg is a game that is somewhat lengthy, attempts to provide a decent narrative and is mostly stat based with (usually) a strong emphasis on character growth, upgrades and some exploration.

A lot of that applies to many genres now. The lines are blurred.

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Today I would classify a JRPG as any game in the RPG genre that emphasizes fantastical elements over immersive elements.

If Skyrim was made in Japan, it would still count as an WRPG for me.

This definition does not hold for games made in the '80s or the '90s.

peterw007
....that is retarded
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#13 casharmy
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Japanese Role Playing Game. Role Playing Game from Japan. I don't see how people are still debating over this.IAmNot_fun

There are many idiots who think they can define what a JRPG can be and what themes they can use. Thisis just a test to see how they define that logic.

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#14 peterw007
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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Today I would classify a JRPG as any game in the RPG genre that emphasizes fantastical elements over immersive elements.

If Skyrim was made in Japan, it would still count as an WRPG for me.

This definition does not hold for games made in the '80s or the '90s.

mems_1224

....that is retarded

Final Fantasy XIII is distinctly a JRPG.

Skyrim is distinctly a WRPG.

Both are styled in very unique ways.

Care to explain why my definition is incorrect?

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#15 Thefatness16
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An RPG made in Japan.

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#16 casharmy
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Japanese-styled RPG

AdrianWerner

define "japanese-style"

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#17 themajormayor
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How do you classify an RPG made in Turkey? TRPG?

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#18 Silverbond
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It's an RPG from Japan. Duh.
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#19 finalfantasy94
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a rpg thats from japan.

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#20 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

Today I would classify a JRPG as any game in the RPG genre that emphasizes fantastical elements over immersive elements.

If Skyrim was made in Japan, it would still count as an WRPG for me.

This definition does not hold for games made in the '80s or the '90s.

peterw007

....that is retarded

Final Fantasy XIII is distinctly a JRPG.

Skyrim is distinctly a WRPG.

Both are styled in very unique ways.

Care to explain why my definition is incorrect?

yea FF is distinctly a JRPG because its made in japan :| skyrim was made in america :| if it was swapped skyrim would be a jrpg and FF a WRPG.
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#21 peterw007
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Japanese-styled RPG

casharmy

define "japanese-style"

An RPG that appeals to certain conventions, generally including (but not limited to) an Anime-style presentation and a de-emphasis on player immersion.

JRPGs almost always have a linear story and stylized rather than realistic graphics.

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rpg from japan....usually sucksmems_1224
We have a winner, especially the sucks part--JRPGs and sucking are synonymous.
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#23 Tykain
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If it's an RPG and it's made in Japan, then it's a JRPG. There really is nothing more to it.
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- Stupid convoluted, uninteresting storyline.

- Incredibly feminine. -

- Horrible writting/storytelling.

- Lack innovation.

- Void of interesting characters, and lacking variety.

- Linear.

- Stupid giant boss battles.

- Has to be turn based.

- Atrocious soundtrack.

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#25 BrunoBRS
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RPG made in japan. it's not that hard.
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#26 casharmy
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Japan, feeds the webos, linear .....PC360Wii

so a JRPG is linear?

interesting.

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#27 themajormayor
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What then is Mount & Blade? TRPG?

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#28 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Japanese-styled RPG

peterw007

define "japanese-style"

An RPG that appeals to certain conventions, generally including (but not limited to) an Anime-style presentation and a de-emphasis on player immersion.

JRPGs almost always have a linear story and stylized rather than realistic graphics.

immersion has nothing to do with linear story :|
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What then is Mount & Blade? TRPG?

themajormayor

It falls under the banner of "Western," just like games from Poland or Sweden.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

What then is Mount & Blade? TRPG?

peterw007

It falls under the banner of "Western," just like games from Poland or Sweden.

The differences is at least Sweden is a Western country. Turkey is not. Poland I don't know.
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#31 finalfantasy94
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Alot of hater spewing opinions that they think are facts on this topic. I mean jeez people what did jrpgs ever do to you.

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#32 casharmy
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Today I would classify a JRPG as any game in the RPG genre that emphasizes fantastical elements over immersive elements.

If Skyrim was made in Japan, it would still count as an WRPG for me.

This definition does not hold for games made in the '80s or the '90s.

peterw007

Skyrim isn't at all immersive and yet it is completely fantastical...So sky rim is a JRPG? Hmm

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#33 peterw007
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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

define "japanese-style"

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An RPG that appeals to certain conventions, generally including (but not limited to) an Anime-style presentation and a de-emphasis on player immersion.

JRPGs almost always have a linear story and stylized rather than realistic graphics.

immersion has nothing to do with linear story :|

I know. Those are separate categories that a JRPG contains.

It contains a linear story and a lack of immersion (for a variety of reasons).

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#34 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

An RPG that appeals to certain conventions, generally including (but not limited to) an Anime-style presentation and a de-emphasis on player immersion.

JRPGs almost always have a linear story and stylized rather than realistic graphics.

peterw007

immersion has nothing to do with linear story :|

I know. Those are separate categories that a JRPG contains.

It contains a linear story and a lack of immersion (for a variety of reasons).

If you get sucked into the story and world isint that immersion.

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#35 eboyishere
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a game that has leona lewis in it's soundtrack
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#36 Seabas989
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An RPG made in Japan.

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^This is correct.

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#37 freedomfreak
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Like many people have said before.A RPG from Japan.

JRPG.Japanese RPG.

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#38 IAmNot_fun
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I can't believe this is actually generating a discussion.
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#39 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

An RPG that appeals to certain conventions, generally including (but not limited to) an Anime-style presentation and a de-emphasis on player immersion.

JRPGs almost always have a linear story and stylized rather than realistic graphics.

peterw007

immersion has nothing to do with linear story :|

I know. Those are separate categories that a JRPG contains.

It contains a linear story and a lack of immersion (for a variety of reasons).

good story has nothing to do with a genre, and a good story causes immersion. like a good book. the problem with people is that they go "JRPG is an RPG with linear story and anime look. EVERYTHING ELSE IS A WRPG, I DON'T CARE IF THERE ARE 5 BILLION TYPES OF JAPANESE RPGS, THEY'RE WRPGS". and that's just stupid. it's practically an offense how broad the stereotype is. to the point a good game like demon's/dark souls can't be credited for being japanese because "OH IT'S NOT ANIME SO IT'S A WRPG"
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a game that has leona lewis in it's soundtrackeboyishere
ok i lol'd :P
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#41 peterw007
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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] immersion has nothing to do with linear story :|finalfantasy94

I know. Those are separate categories that a JRPG contains.

It contains a linear story and a lack of immersion (for a variety of reasons).

If you get sucked into the story and world isint that immersion.

I think immersion more has to do with how plausible the world itself can be.

J-pop music, chibi-style characters, and a very anime-esque world really doesn't feel all that plausible.

A mature fantasy world with an atmospheric soundtrack feels more plausible.

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I can't believe this is actually generating a discussion.IAmNot_fun

The less effort you put into a thread the more successful it gets.

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#43 finalfantasy94
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I can't believe this is actually generating a discussion.IAmNot_fun

this topic usally pops up every once in a while. Just going with the flow.

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#44 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

I know. Those are separate categories that a JRPG contains.

It contains a linear story and a lack of immersion (for a variety of reasons).

peterw007

If you get sucked into the story and world isint that immersion.

I think immersion more has to do with how plausible the world itself can be.

J-pop music, chibi-style characters, and a very anime-esque world really doesn't sound all that plausible.

A mature fantasy world with an atmospheric soundtrack sounds more plausible.

i can spend dozens of hours playing a tales game, wanting to know what happens next, or how the next city will look like or the enemies, or which new sidequest i can complete. that's immersion. it has nothing to do with setting or styIe.
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#45 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

I know. Those are separate categories that a JRPG contains.

It contains a linear story and a lack of immersion (for a variety of reasons).

peterw007

If you get sucked into the story and world isint that immersion.

I think immersion more has to do with how plausible the world itself can be.

J-pop music, chibi-style characters, and a very anime-esque world really doesn't sound all that plausible.

A mature fantasy world with an atmospheric soundtrack sounds more plausible.

really. your asking for something plausible in fictional media. mostpieces of fictinal media isint. Mass effect dosesint seem plausible at all but I still get sucked in cause I enjoy the tale and characters.

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#46 casharmy
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Japanese-styled RPG

peterw007

define "japanese-style"

An RPG that appeals to certain conventions, generally including (but not limited to) an Anime-****presentationand a de-emphasis on player immersion.

JRPGs almost always have a linear story and stylized rather than realistic graphics.

Hmm hmm....so Is this a Jrpg?

BTW:

while you are at it could you define "player immersion" you are completely coming out of left feild trying to apply such open ended and undefined terms to your definiton.

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#47 cain006
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Japanese-styled RPG

AdrianWerner

This.

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#48 BrunoBRS
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just for the record, saying "JRPGs are only turn based, anime, linear RPGs from japan" is like saying "black people can only play jazz and rap". it's a ridiculously broad stereotype.
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#49 peterw007
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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

If you get sucked into the story and world isint that immersion.

finalfantasy94

I think immersion more has to do with how plausible the world itself can be.

J-pop music, chibi-style characters, and a very anime-esque world really doesn't sound all that plausible.

A mature fantasy world with an atmospheric soundtrack sounds more plausible.

really. your asking for something plausible in fictional media. mostpieces of fictinal media isint. Mass effect dosesint seem plausible at all but I still get sucked in cause I enjoy the tale and characters.

Mass Effect seems like a very believable science-fiction world.

I could definitely see the future of humanity living in the Mass Effect universe.

It doesn't matter if it's fiction or not. It's about making the world seem believable.

It's about creating a world that mirrors our past societies or models our visions of a future society...one that prefers intricacy over simplification.

You can't tell me that The Witcher feels less plausible than Disgaea.

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#50 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

I think immersion more has to do with how plausible the world itself can be.

J-pop music, chibi-style characters, and a very anime-esque world really doesn't sound all that plausible.

A mature fantasy world with an atmospheric soundtrack sounds more plausible.

peterw007

really. your asking for something plausible in fictional media. mostpieces of fictinal media isint. Mass effect dosesint seem plausible at all but I still get sucked in cause I enjoy the tale and characters.

Mass Effect seems like a very believable science-fiction world.

I could definitely see the future of humanity living in the Mass Effect universe.

It doesn't matter if it's fiction or not. It's about making the world seem believable.

It's about creating a world that mirrors our past societies or models our visions of a future society...one that prefers intricacy over simplification.

You can't tell me that The Witcher feels less plausible than Disgaea.

so because it's comical, it can't be immersive? that's like saying monty python movies have no immersion because the setpieces are absurd.