PS4 and next Xbox won't make a huge graphical leap over the PS3 and 360

In my opinion, the times of consoles being able to compete with PCs during the time of release are comming to an end. The expenses and risk is just too high for either Sony or MS to make any more unprofitable consoles. So my idea is that they'll simply use the existing tech (probably new illiterations of the Cell and PowerPC CPUs, a medium-end PC graphics chip and more RAM) which will provide for true 1080p visuals at 60 fps which should be enough for a few years. The games themselves will also be more or less sequels to existing franchises so expect more Halo, Gears of War, Uncharted and KillZone, with a new IP here and there. It's also very likely they'll focus more on "gimmicks" this time as a selling point.

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In my opinion, the times of consoles being able to compete with PCs during the time of release are comming to an end. The expenses and risk is just too high for either Sony or MS to make any more unprofitable consoles. So my idea is that they'll simply use the existing tech (probably new illiterations of the Cell and PowerPC CPUs, a medium-end PC graphics chip and more RAM) which will provide for true 1080p visuals at 60 fps which should be enough for a few years. The games themselves will also be more or less sequels to existing franchises so expect more Halo, Gears of War, Uncharted and KillZone, with a new IP here and there. It's also very likely they'll focus more on "gimmicks" this time as a selling point.

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nameless12345

2gbs of ram and a 2gb video card would be sweet for a next console

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In my opinion, the times of consoles being able to compete with PCs during the time of release are comming to an end. The expenses and risk is just too high for either Sony or MS to make any more unprofitable consoles. So my idea is that they'll simply use the existing tech (probably new illiterations of the Cell and PowerPC CPUs, a medium-end PC graphics chip and more RAM) which will provide for true 1080p visuals at 60 fps which should be enough for a few years. The games themselves will also be more or less sequels to existing franchises so expect more Halo, Gears of War, Uncharted and KillZone, with a new IP here and there. It's also very likely they'll focus more on "gimmicks" this time as a selling point.

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mattuk69

That's the chip the Wii U will supposedly have. A derivate of it, but anyway.

I only want to see one thing next generation 720p and 60fps there is no need to aim for 1080p at all keep it standard 720p and 60fps and every thing will be grand...

So because Sony came out and actually said THEIR console will not, you say MS will not either :roll:

So because Sony came out and actually said THEIR console will not, you say MS will not either :roll:

Ultra_Combo

Why should they? They would only loose money on it. And the better graphics wouldn't sell it. They just need to improve their Kinect tech and market that as the next best thing.

I only want to see one thing next generation 720p and 60fps there is no need to aim for 1080p at all keep it standard 720p and 60fps and every thing will be grand...

WilliamRLBaker

If there isn't a significant leap then Im staying with PS3 for another 2-4 years.

It doesn't matter to me, graphics are typically overrated anyways.

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I only want to see one thing next generation 720p and 60fps there is no need to aim for 1080p at all keep it standard 720p and 60fps and every thing will be grand...

Mystic-G

This next generation better not be full of gimmicks. :evil: Why cant I just play a game normally?

Can graphics really improve in a significant way anymore? They are perfectly fine where they are at.

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I only want to see one thing next generation 720p and 60fps there is no need to aim for 1080p at all keep it standard 720p and 60fps and every thing will be grand...

WilliamRLBaker

Can graphics really improve in a significant way anymore? They are perfectly fine where they are at.

Grodus5

So because Sony came out and actually said THEIR console will not, you say MS will not either :roll:

Ultra_Combo

It will, just not as large as past gens

Can graphics really improve in a significant way anymore? They are perfectly fine where they are at.

Grodus5

[QUOTE="Grodus5"] Yes they can. :D[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="Grodus5"]

Can graphics really improve in a significant way anymore? They are perfectly fine where they are at.

Inconsistancy

to be more clear , new models = updated version of console.

PS3/360 to Crysis graphics next-gen would be fine.

Is that as big as the leap from PS2/XBOX to PS3/360?

I know you meant well ... but your reading comprehension is absolutely abysmal if you think my post had anything to do any on screen activity...rasengan2552

So consoles will be priced at $300 again ? Will just have to wait and see how much the Wii U cost, if it over priced and sells for $400, look for both sony and MS to make a $400 console as well.

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] I know you meant well ... but your reading comprehension is absolutely abysmal if you think my post had anything to do any on screen activity...Inconsistancy

I think there'll be a big difference ultimately, maybe not so much at launch, like how many people don't see much difference when a new gen first launches (I remember the "where's teh next gen" comments at the DOA4 screenshots for the 360). Remember that more time will have passed than usual too, 8 or 9 years. That will help, but maybe it won't be as big as the jump from last gen, but it's possible, and how could we measure such a thing?:P

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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"] Yea... it's rough not owning a 1080p tv. lawlessx

except games wont make the most out of it for the next 2 generations if that. 1080p means one thing this generation simplistic games or lower quality in almost every area and the next generation bar the ps4 and next xbox being 1000 dollars a peice means they will not make the most out of 1080p either we will have to have lower frame rates, and lower quality in graphical termsto reach it.720p and lower should have been the standard this generation yet developers kept trying to push that and ended up either not reaching 720p at all or having to sacrafice in many other areas to reach that resolution.

As for points I can never tell with mystic since he usually posts single sentences that in my opinion dont make a point.

You won't see much difference but everything will be more higher res. 1080p @ 30 fps with 2/4x AA or 720p @ 60 fps with 2/4x AA. Nonstop-Madness

Which is really (at least for my humble standards) the only thing that is needed.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]You won't see much difference but everything will be more higher res. 1080p @ 30 fps with 2/4x AA or 720p @ 60 fps with 2/4x AA. LordSadic

Which is really (at least for my humble standards) the only thing that is needed.

In my opinion, the times of consoles being able to compete with PCs during the time of release are comming to an end. The expenses and risk is just too high for either Sony or MS to make any more unprofitable consoles. So my idea is that they'll simply use the existing tech (probably new illiterations of the Cell and PowerPC CPUs, a medium-end PC graphics chip and more RAM) which will provide for true 1080p visuals at 60 fps which should be enough for a few years. The games themselves will also be more or less sequels to existing franchises so expect more Halo, Gears of War, Uncharted and KillZone, with a new IP here and there. It's also very likely they'll focus more on "gimmicks" this time as a selling point.

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nameless12345

AMD's road map has 10 TFlops target for notebooks.

$699 to $800 USD laptops with AMD Llano A8 Mobile 400 stream processors + Mobile Radeon HD 400/480 stream processors is already close to 1 TFlops.

next gen will probably use less expensive tech do to the fact people arent trying to pay alot in a double dip economy

I only want to see one thing next generation 720p and 60fps there is no need to aim for 1080p at all keep it standard 720p and 60fps and every thing will be grand...

WilliamRLBaker

That's some pretty low standards there. Especially considering I was gaming beyond that a decade ago on my PC.

If they come out with one now no but, IMO there is no need there isn't enough of a graphical leap to justify a new 360 or Ps. Yes games do look a bit better on a PC, but not enough to warrent new systems. When games start coming out that cannot be played on 360 and ps3 with graphics aside than it will be time for new systems.

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I only want to see one thing next generation 720p and 60fps there is no need to aim for 1080p at all keep it standard 720p and 60fps and every thing will be grand...

oldskooler79

That's some pretty low standards there. Especially considering I was gaming beyond that a decade ago on my PC.

We already know. When consoles finally start getting Crysis 1/Warhead and Metro level visuals though they're gonna crap their pants and claim how much better it looks than PC though. By that time, PC will already be far ahead again and Nintendo might have another console out at the rate Sony/MS are going.

In my opinion, the times of consoles being able to compete with PCs during the time of release are comming to an end. The expenses and risk is just too high for either Sony or MS to make any more unprofitable consoles. So my idea is that they'll simply use the existing tech (probably new illiterations of the Cell and PowerPC CPUs, a medium-end PC graphics chip and more RAM) which will provide for true 1080p visuals at 60 fps which should be enough for a few years. The games themselves will also be more or less sequels to existing franchises so expect more Halo, Gears of War, Uncharted and KillZone, with a new IP here and there. It's also very likely they'll focus more on "gimmicks" this time as a selling point.

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nameless12345

Seems likely for the PS4, but very unlikely for the nextbox.

that is to b e expected ,

i told you , you can only go so far with visuals, -and ms and sony have reached a peak , =photorealism ,

3d graphics , sony ps3 already handles that ,

---- whats really next is just more enemies on screen and things like the wii u ,

thats what will continue to drive the industry from here on out not graphics alone ,

this gen was proof , 50 m each for ps3 360 , while wii is near 90 thats almost 2x the competition sold,

and if we exclude people who own all 3 , theyd be less to ,

i own all 3 , , plus 3ds psp ds dsi dslite and all past gen consoles til 2600 all the poipular ones any way i dont have the tg16 sms or the jag and i dont have any intentions in getting the later two but if i managed to find a cheap sms id pick it up

just to have it ,

but ya , i dont care bout graphics i was fine with snes graphics to be honest, i still buy games for the said console today so why should i start caring now,

if the games fun its fun if it s boring its boring graphics cant help it

1080 at 60 fps ... that's a huge upgrade, and the one we were hoping for .... so you thought the lwap should have been bigger? how ?!!!

Technology advances very quickly and there's plenty of room for improvement in graphics. It would be disappointing if the only improvements were higher resolution and frame rates, and that's it until 2018-2020. It's a nice enhancement but it's nothing to write home about, like a generational jump. There'll also be things like even more polygons, better textures, more advanced effects with lighting, reflections, etc, better physics, etc.

Technology advances very quickly and there's plenty of room for improvement in graphics. It would be disappointing if the only improvements were higher resolution and frame rates, and that's it until 2018-2020. It's a nice enhancement but it's nothing to write home about, like a generational jump. There'll also be things like even more polygons, better textures, more advanced effects with lighting, reflections, etc, better physics, etc.

tubbyc

i would love graphics stayed the way they are they are good enough how about some more innovation, great storys, awesome art styles, and amazing gameplay

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Technology advances very quickly and there's plenty of room for improvement in graphics. It would be disappointing if the only improvements were higher resolution and frame rates, and that's it until 2018-2020. It's a nice enhancement but it's nothing to write home about, like a generational jump. There'll also be things like even more polygons, better textures, more advanced effects with lighting, reflections, etc, better physics, etc.

omho88

Taken for granted, comes by default, well, it didn't really happen with the Wii. It seems some people have a different perception now. Yes it will be a huge upgrade considering higher res and all of the things I listed.