Poll: Will Kojima Ever Surpass Miyamoto?

personally, I prefer kojima's work. from games like snatcher, to ZOE, to of course his opus MGS...his games hit you at a different level. miyamoto had his time. he's gamings greatest pioneering developer, but IMO he hasnt been able to adapt to these newer generations. He hasnt produced a classic since 1998 if i'm not mistaken (was he hands on with mario galaxy?) while kojima has been making classics since the original MGS

Probably not...but then again will the Who ever pass The Rolling Stones, or will Pearl Jam surpass Nirvana.

Do they need too?

I say , ENJOY BOTH.

BTW : It helps the Miyamoto works for a first Party Console Developer, imo.

Not unless Kojima can build a time machine, go back in time.... and make the MGS series worth playing, for example, take out all the stupid crap &change character names to something that doesn't make it seem like a poorly made Saturday morning cartoon.

Or just go back and make Mario b4 Miyamoto can... even then though... he'd probably even mess that up. Kojima = overated.

Probably not. But to be fair, I don't think anyone will be able to surpass Miyamoto and all the contributions he's made to the industry.

Not really, but I hate some of Miyamoto's reasoning for games recently, i.e allowing the butchering of Donkey Kong (not that he has much opinion on it, but if he did want to make a good DK game, I don't think anyone would stop him) and the concept of removing all story from SMG2, it was a small but cool part of SMG, why remove it.. why does he hate stories..?110million

Not until he creates the most popular videogame character in the world that peolpe have loved playing as for 29 years, and created at least 3 extremely popular and amazing series, and after that, still poop out original and awesome ideas.

If anyone is to surpass Miyamoto, it will most definitely not be Kojima. Does Miyamoto have children? :P

[QUOTE="110million"]Not really, but I hate some of Miyamoto's reasoning for games recently, i.e allowing the butchering of Donkey Kong (not that he has much opinion on it, but if he did want to make a good DK game, I don't think anyone would stop him) and the concept of removing all story from SMG2, it was a small but cool part of SMG, why remove it.. why does he hate stories..?Silenthps

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="110million"]Not really, but I hate some of Miyamoto's reasoning for games recently, i.e allowing the butchering of Donkey Kong (not that he has much opinion on it, but if he did want to make a good DK game, I don't think anyone would stop him) and the concept of removing all story from SMG2, it was a small but cool part of SMG, why remove it.. why does he hate stories..?110million

I think it's very possible the next Zelda will be something different. Zelda will be in it of course, and you might have to save her and the kingdom from something, but that doesn't mean that's all there is to it. You can't really go "I have to say Zelda and Hyrule AGAIN?! Boring!" Maybe for a Mario game, but there's a lot of other stuff going on in Zelda.

Probably not...but then again will the Who ever pass The Rolling Stones, or will Pearl Jam surpass Nirvana.

Do they need too?

I say , ENJOY BOTH.

BTW : It helps the Miyamoto works for a first Party Console Developer, imo.

SolidTy

Kojima isn't even on the same level a Miyamoto. I like Kojima's games, but they're nowehere near the likes of Mario and Zelda. If you consider Kojima a 'genius' you should say the same thing about Michael Bay, which would be stupid.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Probably not...but then again will the Who ever pass The Rolling Stones, or will Pearl Jam surpass Nirvana.

Do they need too?

I say , ENJOY BOTH.

BTW : It helps the Miyamoto works for a first Party Console Developer, imo.

Bread_or_Decide

Kojima isn't even on the same level a Miyamoto. I like Kojima's games, but they're nowehere near the likes of Mario and Zelda. If you consider Kojima a 'genius' you should say the same thing about Michael Bay, which would be stupid.

OniStrat

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Probably not...but then again will the Who ever pass The Rolling Stones, or will Pearl Jam surpass Nirvana.

Do they need too?

I say , ENJOY BOTH.

BTW : It helps the Miyamoto works for a first Party Console Developer, imo.

Bread_or_Decide

We will see in 100 years...

I'm glad I like both. :)

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] he doesn't hate stories, he just thinks its better left for games like zelda. who would want a story in a game like mario? Litchie

I think it's very possible the next Zelda will be something different. Zelda will be in it of course, and you might have to save her and the kingdom from something, but that doesn't mean that's all there is to it. You can't really go "I have to say Zelda and Hyrule AGAIN?! Boring!" Maybe for a Mario game, but there's a lot of other stuff going on in Zelda.

I think he's a talented games designer but Miyamoto has done more than just create amazing games. He has found news ways to make games fun.

Although I find Miyamoto's work a little overrated this gen, I can still say with how much he did in the past still is good enough to say Kojima has not surpassed him. He might surpass Miyamoto, but who knows.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Probably not...but then again will the Who ever pass The Rolling Stones, or will Pearl Jam surpass Nirvana.

Do they need too?

I say , ENJOY BOTH.

BTW : It helps the Miyamoto works for a first Party Console Developer, imo.

Bread_or_Decide

when people look back on the 90's in 100 years nirvana will be the first band mentioned, while pearl jam will just be a footnote

nirvana definitely won that one

kojima's still young. he still has time to make something truly revolutionary and trancendant

Both are overrated.

Well, MGS is my second favorite series.

So.....there!

Probably not...but then again will the Who ever pass The Rolling Stones, or will Pearl Jam surpass Nirvana.

Do they need too?

I say , ENJOY BOTH.

BTW : It helps the Miyamoto works for a first Party Console Developer, imo.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Probably not...but then again will the Who ever pass The Rolling Stones, or will Pearl Jam surpass Nirvana.

Do they need too?

I say , ENJOY BOTH.

BTW : It helps the Miyamoto works for a first Party Console Developer, imo.

Boogie_J

when people look back on the 90's in 100 years nirvana will be the first band mentioned, while pearl jam will just be a footnote

nirvana definitely won that one

omg LOL@ poll

all those 12 year olds chose second option xD

kojima hasent made gameing what it is today, he has simply made 1 great frenchise (zone of the enders) and 1 ok one (MGS)

miyamoto has made the platformer, he nailed 3d gaming, he made zelda (speakes for itself)

made donkey kong, metroid, star fox, and many more.

of course, 12 year olds werent around at this time, so they dont know

They can't be compared.

Miyamoto is a master of his craft who has created some of the finest games ever made.

Kojima,on the other hand,is a frustrated movie producer and full of his own sense of self-importance,who has given us some of the most pretentious and over-blown "games" ever made.

omg LOL@ poll

all those 12 year olds chose second option xD

kojima hasent made gameing what it is today, he has simply made 1 great frenchise (zone of the enders) and 1 ok one (MGS)

miyamoto has made the platformer, he nailed 3d gaming, he made zelda (speakes for itself)

made donkey kong, metroid, star fox, and many more.

of course, 12 year olds werent around at this time, so they dont know

DeadEndPanda

omg LOL@ poll

all those 12 year olds chose second option xD

kojima hasent made gameing what it is today, he has simply made 1 great frenchise (zone of the enders) and 1 ok one (MGS)

miyamoto has made the platformer, he nailed 3d gaming, he made zelda (speakes for itself)

made donkey kong, metroid, star fox, and many more.

of course, 12 year olds werent around at this time, so they dont know

DeadEndPanda

Attacking the supposed "12 year old fans" of the MGS series while acting like a 12 year old yourself.

The irony is obviously lost on you. :|

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]never Mario > snake link > snake Samus > snake just look at the greatest hero thing going on and its all facts there clearly gordon > snake he killed snake off himselfBrownesque

mario made platforming

zelda made advanture games

and samus has more personality then snake imo, even if she dosnt talk, her story, atmosphere of the game

and the fact that she dosnt need to talk but she still feels alive

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]never Mario > snake link > snake Samus > snake just look at the greatest hero thing going on and its all facts there clearly gordon > snake he killed snake off himselfDeadEndPanda

mario made platforming

zelda made advanture games

and samus has more personality then snake imo, even if she dosnt talk, her story, atmosphere of the game

and the fact that she dosnt need to talk but she still feels alive

BTW, if you want to learn more on who actually invented the adventure genre, go here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_game#Adventure_.281975-1977.29

BTW, King's Quest (adventure par excellence) was released before Zelda.

[QUOTE="DeadEndPanda"]

omg LOL@ poll

all those 12 year olds chose second option xD

kojima hasent made gameing what it is today, he has simply made 1 great frenchise (zone of the enders) and 1 ok one (MGS)

miyamoto has made the platformer, he nailed 3d gaming, he made zelda (speakes for itself)

made donkey kong, metroid, star fox, and many more.

of course, 12 year olds werent around at this time, so they dont know

stvee101

Attacking the supposed "12 year old fans" of the MGS series while acting like a 12 year old yourself.

The irony is obviously lost on you. :|

i think your missing the point,

this isnt about who you like more. its about who did more for gaming,

suda51 is my favorit game disigner, but that dosent mean i think he surpasses miyamoto

he didnt do as much revolutionary as miyamoto did, and kojima simply cant match up.

and i didnt call kojima fans 12 year olds, i called the people who chose opinion nr .2 that, cuz they clearly werent old enough to know about miyamotos great work.

i didnt know so many people didnt read the thread title :P

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"] Let's see, Snake has a personality and his story stretches back (as far as what you get to play) to 1964. Metal Gear invented the stealth genre from ground zero, and the series to date has made some of the finest action and stealth games of all time. You should also consider the fact that the series has some of the best boss fights of all time. I'm sorry, I was never really a big Metal Gear Solid fan, but now that I've played every game in the series, Solid Snake is easily my favorite character in all videogames, perhaps all media. Compare that to Gordon Freeman, who is a faceless protagonist who interacted with some pretty generic NPCs in 2 videogames over the last decade or Mario who has never said anything more complicated or nuanced than "HERE WE GO!" Samus is not even worth mentioning. The best part of Metroid was the fascinating gameplay, it had nothing at all to do with the cookiecutter protagonist.Brownesque

mario made platforming

zelda made advanture games

and samus has more personality then snake imo, even if she dosnt talk, her story, atmosphere of the game

and the fact that she dosnt need to talk but she still feels alive

i dont know much about MGS's story so il simply say

"im sorry , mgs has a story? whats the story? go explore industrial areas, find mines ,kill random people

My short answer is 'never', it's just not possible to beat Miyamoto anymore, the video games industry is similar to the music industry, no one is ever going to match 'The Beatles','Michael Jackson's' or Elvis Presley's' sales ever again or quality of music for that matter due to the way thing shave changed in the music industry, it's the same with the video games industry.

[QUOTE="DeadEndPanda"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"] Let's see, Snake has a personality and his story stretches back (as far as what you get to play) to 1964. Metal Gear invented the stealth genre from ground zero, and the series to date has made some of the finest action and stealth games of all time. You should also consider the fact that the series has some of the best boss fights of all time. I'm sorry, I was never really a big Metal Gear Solid fan, but now that I've played every game in the series, Solid Snake is easily my favorite character in all videogames, perhaps all media. Compare that to Gordon Freeman, who is a faceless protagonist who interacted with some pretty generic NPCs in 2 videogames over the last decade or Mario who has never said anything more complicated or nuanced than "HERE WE GO!" Samus is not even worth mentioning. The best part of Metroid was the fascinating gameplay, it had nothing at all to do with the cookiecutter protagonist.Brownesque

mario made platforming

zelda made advanture games

and samus has more personality then snake imo, even if she dosnt talk, her story, atmosphere of the game

and the fact that she dosnt need to talk but she still feels alive

BTW, if you want to learn more on who actually invented the adventure genre, go here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_game#Adventure_.281975-1977.29

BTW, King's Quest (adventure par excellence) was released before Zelda.

text based advanture game .___.

and just so you know. i did own a ps1 and a ps2 :P

and i loved zone of the enders (kojimas made this, in case you didnt know)

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

[QUOTE="DeadEndPanda"]

omg LOL@ poll

all those 12 year olds chose second option xD

kojima hasent made gameing what it is today, he has simply made 1 great frenchise (zone of the enders) and 1 ok one (MGS)

miyamoto has made the platformer, he nailed 3d gaming, he made zelda (speakes for itself)

made donkey kong, metroid, star fox, and many more.

of course, 12 year olds werent around at this time, so they dont know

DeadEndPanda

Attacking the supposed "12 year old fans" of the MGS series while acting like a 12 year old yourself.

The irony is obviously lost on you. :|

i think your missing the point,

this isnt about who you like more. its about who did more for gaming,

suda51 is my favorit game disigner, but that dosent mean i think he surpasses miyamoto

he didnt do as much revolutionary as miyamoto did, and kojima simply cant match up.

and i didnt call kojima fans 12 year olds, i called the people who chose opinion nr .2 that, cuz they clearly werent old enough to know about miyamotos great work.

i didnt know so many people didnt read the thread title :P

Eh no I'm not missing the point.

I was responding directly to your immature and condescending post.

People are still allowed opinions.

Even though I have a preference for Kojima's work(as do many people if this poll is any eveidence),I agree though that Myamoto has probably done more for gaming and definitely has created some legendary franchises,

The difference is I can appreciate a different point of view because I'm not some zealot who throws a hissy-fit when someone has the audacity to contradict my point of view.

[QUOTE="DeadEndPanda"]

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Attacking the supposed "12 year old fans" of the MGS series while acting like a 12 year old yourself.

The irony is obviously lost on you. :|

stvee101

i think your missing the point,

this isnt about who you like more. its about who did more for gaming,

suda51 is my favorit game disigner, but that dosent mean i think he surpasses miyamoto

he didnt do as much revolutionary as miyamoto did, and kojima simply cant match up.

and i didnt call kojima fans 12 year olds, i called the people who chose opinion nr .2 that, cuz they clearly werent old enough to know about miyamotos great work.

i didnt know so many people didnt read the thread title :P

Eh no I'm not missing the point.

I was responding directly to your immature and condescending post.

People are still allowed opinions.

Even though I have a preference for Kojima's work(as do many people if this poll is any eveidence),I agree though that Myamoto has probably done more for gaming and definitely has created some legendary franchises,

The difference is I can appreciate a different point of view because I'm not some zealot who throws a hissy-fit when someone has the audacity to contradict my point of view.

well im prtty suprised, by now you should be used to it.

this is SW afterall ;)

people are allowed opinions, as much as people are allowed to have opinions over other peoples opinions

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]never Mario > snake link > snake Samus > snake just look at the greatest hero thing going on and its all facts there clearly gordon > snake he killed snake off himselfDeadEndPanda

mario made platforming

zelda made advanture games

and samus has more personality then snake imo, even if she dosnt talk, her story, atmosphere of the game

and the fact that she dosnt need to talk but she still feels alive

Lies and slander