Poll: Think PS5/XB2 could also have handheld versions?

No but the new Surface Pro 5 coming out probably is using Ryzen and will be able to run Play Anywhere games.

No, Switch would have to be a phenomenon to push the others to move in that direction. I dont see that happening and I dont think its what the user base on ps4 and xbone necessarily want.

No

What I really want to know is if it might be feasible for Sony's and Microsoft's next consoles to use carts instead of discs.

I think handhelds are pretty useless for most people.

I hope not.

Nope, they may simple take the all digital route like tablet devices.

I'm convinced most people play their handhelds at home. I mostly do. But still, you're not tethered to the TV so that's really the whole point.

You won't be able to carry around a 12 TFLOP console without burning a hole in your pocket.

I was thinking more on just different GPUs.

For the Sony handheld, maybe Same CPU power as the PS5 but maybe 2/3 of the OG PS4's FLOPS but with the GPU architecture of the PS5 family (handheld/Vanilla/Pro).

The handheld would probably target 900/1080p but dynamic res happens more frequently.

Count me out if they are.

No, just because it's a good decision for Nintendo doesn't mean it is a good decision for Sony and Microsoft.

No thank you.

Do the demographics for Microsoft and Sony play handheld systems?

I certainly hope not. We need system power to keep increasing so that we can have more advanced games. Relying on mobile tech like the Switch only holds back advancement.

God I hope not. Console graphics are watered down enough as is. I blame Nintendo for lowering gamer's expectations for graphics over the last few gens. I doubt they will ever re-enter the dedicated home console market after they discontinued the Wii U after 5 years of production.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony does since they always look up to the other Japanese gaming company which leads, Nintendo. And I don't think Microsoft will since I think they will focus on PC/console support more but maybe they'll support mobile gaming as in phones more better too.

Sony moreso than Microsoft. But I think both of them would prefer to find a way to allow for Windows, Android, and iOS devices to play nice with their existing ecosystems and distribution fronts.

That said, I could see Sony getting crazy enough to try handhelds again, but only as a compliment to their existing devices, i.e. the platform would only play games that could be played on PS4/PS5 and so on and have no exclusive titles.

Toshiba Satellite E45DW-C4210 14" HD with AMD FX-8800P ultrabook/tablet hybrid.

Raven Ridge APU replaces FX-8800p APU.

I am so interested in a Microsoft "Shield/Switch". Maybe MS could do their first party "Surface Pro" but as a handheld and more emphasis on gaming, a few years from now.

I agree and that's why I am thinking of maybe the "PS5" could be nifty as a family of platforms so developers only have to expand just 1 more platform than the current "PS4 OG/PRO" optimizations.

Sony might have to push more on some DRM.. something like buying physical would also net you the handheld version at no extra cost unless battery tech becomes so good that BDR on a handheld is a non issue.

@ronvalencia said:

@j2zon2591 said:

@nfamouslegend said:

You won't be able to carry around a 12 TFLOP console without burning a hole in your pocket.

I was thinking more on just different GPUs.

For the Sony handheld, maybe Same CPU power as the PS5 but maybe 2/3 of the OG PS4's FLOPS but with the GPU architecture of the PS5 family (handheld/Vanilla/Pro).

The handheld would probably target 900/1080p but dynamic res happens more frequently.

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Toshiba Satellite E45DW-C4210 14" HD with AMD FX-8800P ultrabook/tablet hybrid.

Raven Ridge APU replaces FX-8800p APU.

Time for some homework for me. I'll try to read more on these things. Thank you!

Sony maybe, but I don't think so. For Microsoft this just isn't necessary since they have their Play Anywhere solution, so if I want to play on a plane, or train, I can just using a decent tablet running Windows 10.

@j2zon2591 said:

@gago-gago said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony does since they always look up to the other Japanese gaming company which leads, Nintendo. And I don't think Microsoft will since I think they will focus on PC/console support more but maybe they'll support mobile gaming as in phones more better too.

I am so interested in a Microsoft "Shield/Switch". Maybe MS could do their first party "Surface Pro" but as a handheld and more emphasis on gaming, a few years from now.

@Basinboy said:

Sony moreso than Microsoft. But I think both of them would prefer to find a way to allow for Windows, Android, and iOS devices to play nice with their existing ecosystems and distribution fronts.

That said, I could see Sony getting crazy enough to try handhelds again, but only as a compliment to their existing devices, i.e. the platform would only play games that could be played on PS4/PS5 and so on and have no exclusive titles.

I agree and that's why I am thinking of maybe the "PS5" could be nifty as a family of platforms so developers only have to expand just 1 more platform than the current "PS4 OG/PRO" optimizations.

Sony might have to push more on some DRM.. something like buying physical would also net you the handheld version at no extra cost unless battery tech becomes so good that BDR on a handheld is a non issue.

@ronvalencia said:

@j2zon2591 said:

@nfamouslegend said:

You won't be able to carry around a 12 TFLOP console without burning a hole in your pocket.

I was thinking more on just different GPUs.

For the Sony handheld, maybe Same CPU power as the PS5 but maybe 2/3 of the OG PS4's FLOPS but with the GPU architecture of the PS5 family (handheld/Vanilla/Pro).

The handheld would probably target 900/1080p but dynamic res happens more frequently.

Loading Video...

Toshiba Satellite E45DW-C4210 14" HD with AMD FX-8800P ultrabook/tablet hybrid.

Raven Ridge APU replaces FX-8800p APU.

Time for some homework for me. I'll try to read more on these things. Thank you!

"Carrizo" FP4 = FX-8800p APU.

Bristol Ridge APU is just a minor update to Carrizo APU.

AMD's March 2017 road map.

AMD has shifted it's priority towards mobile Raven Ridge (FP5 BGA) socket over the desktop Raven Ridge (AM4 uPGA) socket.

AMD Raven Ridge's integrated SOC FCH follows Intel Core i series tablet/ultra book SoC (System-On-Chip) designs.

FX-8800p's 8 CU GPU is being gimped by crap CPU, hence why I shown Vulkan gaming example.

AMD Raven Ridge APU has mobile Ryzen 4 core with 8 threads which should maximize it's small Vega based GPU with 11 to 12 NCU.

Play anywhere seem amazing. For some reason it makes me think that they'd probably just stop making traditional xbox at some point and just do nice first party PC later on and focus on Windows Gaming.

@ronvalencia said:

@j2zon2591 said:

@nfamouslegend said:

You won't be able to carry around a 12 TFLOP console without burning a hole in your pocket.

I was thinking more on just different GPUs.

For the Sony handheld, maybe Same CPU power as the PS5 but maybe 2/3 of the OG PS4's FLOPS but with the GPU architecture of the PS5 family (handheld/Vanilla/Pro).

The handheld would probably target 900/1080p but dynamic res happens more frequently.

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Toshiba Satellite E45DW-C4210 14" HD with AMD FX-8800P ultrabook/tablet hybrid.

Raven Ridge APU replaces FX-8800p APU.

Ok so I read and watched a bit.

Vulkan seem amazing. Do consoles have better APIs?

So if I am understanding it correctly, the 8800P can do 3.4 Ghz at 35W and is PUMA+ which seems to be 2 architectural generations above the PS4's Jaguar cores?

PS4 only has 1.6 Ghz speed but 8 cores. 8800P does 3.4 Ghz but 4 cores.

Does that mean the 8800P surpasses the PS4's CPU more than double?

The DOOM video also seem to be at 1080p, low setting and seem to easily stay above 30 FPS during fights.

Hmmm.. Perhaps it's not hard to see a CPU 3 times better than the OG PS4 for a large handheld 4-5 years from now but IDK if Sony is willing to do sub 1080p for a handheld.

I guess it's too hard to tell depending on how powerful Sony is gonna make the Vanilla PS5.

I wonder if it's possible for the PS5 Vanilla to be the 4K machine, the handheld the 1080p machine and the PRO the faux 8K machine.

Is there a way to tell how much power the CPU draws vs the GPU in these APUs?

I don't see that happening, I just think they are merging the platforms. The Xbox brand can only become stronger if it runs on PC, and console which is a good thing for Microsoft.

@ronvalencia said:

@j2zon2591 said:

@gago-gago said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony does since they always look up to the other Japanese gaming company which leads, Nintendo. And I don't think Microsoft will since I think they will focus on PC/console support more but maybe they'll support mobile gaming as in phones more better too.

I am so interested in a Microsoft "Shield/Switch". Maybe MS could do their first party "Surface Pro" but as a handheld and more emphasis on gaming, a few years from now.

@Basinboy said:

Sony moreso than Microsoft. But I think both of them would prefer to find a way to allow for Windows, Android, and iOS devices to play nice with their existing ecosystems and distribution fronts.

That said, I could see Sony getting crazy enough to try handhelds again, but only as a compliment to their existing devices, i.e. the platform would only play games that could be played on PS4/PS5 and so on and have no exclusive titles.

I agree and that's why I am thinking of maybe the "PS5" could be nifty as a family of platforms so developers only have to expand just 1 more platform than the current "PS4 OG/PRO" optimizations.

Sony might have to push more on some DRM.. something like buying physical would also net you the handheld version at no extra cost unless battery tech becomes so good that BDR on a handheld is a non issue.

@ronvalencia said:

@j2zon2591 said:

@nfamouslegend said:

You won't be able to carry around a 12 TFLOP console without burning a hole in your pocket.

I was thinking more on just different GPUs.

For the Sony handheld, maybe Same CPU power as the PS5 but maybe 2/3 of the OG PS4's FLOPS but with the GPU architecture of the PS5 family (handheld/Vanilla/Pro).

The handheld would probably target 900/1080p but dynamic res happens more frequently.

Loading Video...

Toshiba Satellite E45DW-C4210 14" HD with AMD FX-8800P ultrabook/tablet hybrid.

Raven Ridge APU replaces FX-8800p APU.

Time for some homework for me. I'll try to read more on these things. Thank you!

"Carrizo" FP4 = FX-8800p APU.

Bristol Ridge APU is just a minor update to Carrizo APU.

AMD's March 2017 road map.

AMD has shifted it's priority towards mobile Raven Ridge (FP5 BGA) socket over the desktop Raven Ridge (AM4 uPGA) socket.

AMD Raven Ridge's integrated SOC FCH follows Intel Core i series tablet/ultra book SoC (System-On-Chip) designs.

FX-8800p's 8 CU GPU is being gimped by crap CPU, hence why I shown Vulkan gaming example.

AMD Raven Ridge APU has mobile Ryzen 4 core with 8 threads which should maximize it's small Vega based GPU with 11 to 12 NCU.

Thanks for the slides. I really appreciate the links to the slides. I was trying to look for these things last week but couldn't find any.

The BGA and and PGA terms are very new to me.

Is FP5 BGA for laptops? Sorry I'm kinda slow on these.

Low overhead API is needed for weak CPUs.

FX-8800P has mobile Excavator CPU instead of Puma+ CPU.

For Doom Vulkan...

Doom Vulkan was the launch game for AMD's game console style "hit-the-metal" GPU access for Windows PCs.

Note that NVIDIA also has similar hit-the-metal GPU access for Windows PCs included with NVAPI/Gameworks.

Xbox Play Anywhere is good for laptops with around XBO level GPU.

Raven Ridge APU is the first PC APU with XBO level GPU, hence fleet PCs can be potential customer for Xbox Play Anywhere games.

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https://liliputing.com/2017/02/report-intel-launch-kaby-lake-chip-amd-radeon-graphics.html

There are rumors for Intel Kabylake CPU with AMD GPU on a single chip package e.g. perhaps Apple's Polaris 12 with 10 CU leak.

I'm not sure what kind of exact merge you mention but probably?

I'm thinking that the next gen xbox is more or less a first party hardware for a small form factor PC from MS with up to date BRDrive. Runs Windows 10. All the next gen xbox exclusives available to Windows 10.

If the Scorpio does better than what MS internally expects then perhaps I can see the first batch of next gen Xbox "console" to be more inline with the traditional console sense.

I apologize if that's confusing.

For AMD, BGA is for mobile platforms.

BGA = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_grid_array

PGA = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin_grid_array

You can already stream most game from PS4 to a Vita, so there's that. Better than having a console/handheld hybrid and force you to pay for hardware you might not even use.

I guess Sony is expanding their services but IMO native games still have their place.

TBH it's just like having 3 specs of consoles as opposed to the current 2 or even think of 3 different PCs.

LOW = handheld PS5 = Laptop-esque

MID = Vanilla PS5 home console = more mid end PC

HIGH = PRO PS5 home console = higher end PC

We already have

MID and HIGH right now with the PS4 Gen.

Sony would really have to focus more on scaling and DRM.

I would want one. Less powerful but portable version of the console that plays same games? I really would want one.

Me too.

I was hoping the Switch would have acceptable AAA downports but it may not happen.

Another dream would be much better PC handhelds later on after the GPD Win and Smach Z.

For Sony's PS5, it'd be amazing if we could buy one game, physical or digital and able to play on multiple form factors, natively. If not, then that's still okay with me. xD

No, I don't think so. But I can see Sony borrow some concepts like detachable controllers and easy TV connection for a future handheld, if they ever make one.

I think consoles might as well all be handhelds. PC is so much better at what they do anyways. So I'd like a "hopefully" option in the poll..

The Switch is a fucking cool device.

Won't go Deep into detail but just scratching the Surface, it would seem MS with Win10, buy once play anywhere is already there. :P

No.

Sony maybe would if they don't make a replacement for the Vita. M$ has never made a handheld console in the past and with the cell phone market being so big, I don't think they'll enter handheld gaming in the next cycle.

Nope, it works for Nintendo because of their graphics. The lack of attention to detail and expansive worlds in most of their games makes it easy to develop for underpowered hardware and handhelds. Good luck getting something like the Witcher 3, Fallout 4, Last of Us, Halo 5, Ghost Recon Wildlands, etc running on a handheld system

Could they? Yes. Should they? No. Semantics.

Instead of wasting resources on stupid screens. Give me a console that can handle everything in 1080p/60fps/Hight-Ultra. After that's done, release a separate controller with a screen so people who care would be able to purchase it without being forced to have it bundled with the console.

I'd be down for a PlayStation 4 Pad and a Pad Pro

Technically a Sony Xperia Tablet with beefed up specs near PS4's and 8 gigs of ram to so there isn't any contrast with porting and playing PS4 games on the go without any sacrifices made to image quality and framerate. Make it android-based with PS4's UI infrastructure and also have its UI designed for multitouch.

But Sony would have to push this thing hard to give incentive to console video game audience and phablet/tablet users to use this over their iPads. With a PlayStation branding and smart advertising campaign this thing could really explode.

And if Sony decides to develop sophisticated, exclusive games to this (plus add on-the-go games like Monster Hunter, Pokemon Go from Google Play store, etc), I'd be down for that too.