Poll: is X360 an rushed console?

How can you pirate a console. I've never heard of that happening. :oops:

nintendofreak_2

You storm the ship in a speedboat with high-powered weapons and steal the crap.

Im running out of popcorn, seriously are you really that in need of a conversation so you start a flame-bait topic?loky4000

how is it flame-bait, what i said is all factual, and i'm not pulling anything out of thin air to upset the lems. :wink:

nah, this is how the logic work: if it was rushed, then that means they didn't perfect it to be what next-gen gaming systems are supposed to be. then if you factor in the Blu-ray and Cell and Motion sensing ability (best on the Wii). it will make it a last-gen hardware.

Game13a13y

You storm the ship in a speedboat with high-powered weapons and steal the crap.

Runningflame570

360 may have its fair share of hardware problems. But man the system and its games rock. The last two months Gameinformer has given 360 games high

Bioshock---10

Halo 3---9.75

Mass Effect---9.75

Orange Box---9.75

PGR 4---9.25

Blue Dragon---9

Ace Combat---8.75

and of course all the superior multiplats right now

Cubs360

HAHA Thanks for the laugh :lol:

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

nah, this is how the logic work: if it was rushed, then that means they didn't perfect it to be what next-gen gaming systems are supposed to be. then if you factor in the Blu-ray and Cell and Motion sensing ability (best on the Wii). it will make it a last-gen hardware.

nintendofreak_2

no, next-gen should be defined by how much a console improved compared to its previous technical achievements.

for PS 2 to PS 3: Cell and Blu-ray and Sixaxis
for GC to Wii: Wiimote and DVD (i know thank god they finally used DVD but its an improvement nonetheless)
then both consoleshave greatly improved their online features

PS 3 has Home
Wii has virtual consoles that let you download all thegreat gamesfrom its deep history

and what does Xbox to Xbox360 got? just new graphics, thats it. or may be wireless controllers, but thatsabout it.and they even removed the HDD for the Core.

no, next-gen should be defined by how much a console improved compared to its previous technical achievements.

for PS 2 to PS 3: Cell and Blu-ray and Sixaxis
for GC to Wii: Wiimote and DVD (i know thank god they finally used DVD but its an improvement nonetheless)
then both consoleshave greatly improved their online features

PS 3 has Home
Wii has virtual consoles that let you download all thegreat gamesfrom its deep history

and what does Xbox to Xbox360 got? just new graphics, thats it. or may be wireless controllers, but thatsabout it.and they even removed the HDD for the Core.

Game13a13y

You're just being ignorant now. :|Anyways, it appears you forgot to mention improved online service and improved controller.

I think it's rushed, but I don't think the technology is last gen.jack_russel

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

no, next-gen should be defined by how much a console improved compared to its previous technical achievements.

for PS 2 to PS 3: Cell and Blu-ray and Sixaxis
for GC to Wii: Wiimote and DVD (i know thank god they finally used DVD but its an improvement nonetheless)
then both consoleshave greatly improved their online features

PS 3 has Home
Wii has virtual consoles that let you download all thegreat gamesfrom its deep history

and what does Xbox to Xbox360 got? just new graphics, thats it. or may be wireless controllers, but thatsabout it.and they even removed the HDD for the Core.

nintendofreak_2

You're just being ignorant now. :|Anyways, it appears you forgot to mention improved online service and improved controller.

i've mentioned the wireless controller part, and how the heck did they improve online service? for what is see, it still costs you 50 pops a year and still don't have dedicated server.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]I think it's rushed, but I don't think the technology is last gen.Game13a13y

think about it, if MS waited for a year to release it, all the stuffs i said could have been included.

If MS wouldnt release it...I would end up playing xbox and PS2 games for a year longer and still have to paysame for the samething. Maybe even morejust cuz it would come out right about the same time as PS3 would come out.

All the things the topic "maker" numbered are irrelevant except for the RROD but thats irrelevant for me, although I could understand if someone gets pissed off if that happens.

I'd rather have a console that breaks(great costumer support so you wont have to wait a year lol)withgreatgames and be able to play a year earlier than wait a year pay more and still getgames that cant compete with an older console for about a year(im going easy for cows) with functions I dont even use or need...

Now I can summon all 9 of them and have a counter argument but been there done that so no need for that...

there seems to be alot of things going wrong on the X360.

1. no next-gen format (HD-DVD) for more game storage. Not needed so far
2. disc scratching problem Never happened to me or anyone i know (outside of misuse)
3. lousy disc drive that makes monstrous noise True
4. RROD (overheating) True
5. big power brick Hardly an inconvenience
6. 3 Sku's to confuse consumers, and the Core has no HDD, a step backward PS3 also has alot of SKU's
7. no bluetooth WiFi
8. no motion sensing ability, Wii has Wiimote, PS 3 has Sixasis Who actually cares about this, Lair says hello.
9. no real backward compatibility More than the latest 40gig PS3 and more than the 60gig European PS3's

overall, the technology on the X360 is nothing ground breaking, they just pieced together some off-the-shelves components and snaped an X on top of it.

PS 3 has Blu-ray and cell, thats what i call next-gen, agree?

edit: sorry, the list just keeps growing :wink:

Game13a13y

P.S: Stop being such a fanboy, and play games.

Next gen? Certainly not. The PS3 has yet to match or exceed it graphically.

Rushed? Maybe. The RROD issue is the best point you raise.

Other points, too many SKUs and limited BC apply to the PS3 as well.

As for no next gen format, I'd doubt Microsoft would have put it in even if they had ample time. Next gen formats just aren't relevent right now.

360 must be the worst console made in the history of video games. Its so unreliable, ive gone through 3 in 3 months. If Microsoft wern't so desperate to get there "next Gen" console out fast and test the machine properly then the RRoD issuse wouldnt exsist...

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

there seems to be alot of things going wrong on the X360.

1) no next-gen format (HD-DVD) for more game storage.
2) disc scratching problem
3) lousy disc drive that makes monstrous noise
4) RROD (overheating)
5) big power brick
6) 3 Sku's to confuse consumers, and the Core has no HDD, what a step backward

overall, the technology on the X360 is nothing ground breaking, they just pieced together some off-the-shelves components and snaped an X on top of it.

PS 3 has Blu-ray and cell, thats what i call next-gen, agree?

TheSolution3k

Add in the simple fact it has nothing but shooters, multiplats,lack of Japan support, and has terrible backwards compatibility (people can't play any of their favorites on the 360) you got yourself a rushed product....

rushed because of the hardware failure problems.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]I think it's rushed, but I don't think the technology is last gen.donnygorgas

I agree. The technology is sufficient for this gen even if DVD 9 might cause a few issues along the way. I would say that the only effect of the rush, and it is a very large effect, is the horrendous hardware failures and flaws. In terms of games and core technology it is very sound when not flaming.

1. They've proven it's not needed yet.
2. True
3. So does the PS3.
4. True
5. Oh noes, teh system killer. :roll:
6. PS3 has just as many.
7. True, although not as neccessary as it's made out to be.
8. That's one aspect people like about it.
9. Actually it does. 300+ Xbox games as long as you have a hard drive. The PS3 on the other hand only has full backwards compatability with the 60GB.

Enough already. We know that you think the 360 is Satan incarnate and that anyone and everyone who enjoys it should be rounded up and shot. We get it.

there seems to be alot of things going wrong on the X360.

1. no next-gen format (HD-DVD) for more game storage.
2. disc scratching problem
3. lousy disc drive that makes monstrous noise
4. RROD (overheating)
5. big power brick
6. 3 Sku's to confuse consumers, and the Core has no HDD, a step backward
7. no bluetooth
8. no motion sensing ability, Wii has Wiimote, PS 3 has Sixasis
9. no real backward compatibility

overall, the technology on the X360 is nothing ground breaking, they just pieced together some off-the-shelves components and snaped an X on top of it.

PS 3 has Blu-ray and cell, thats what i call next-gen, agree?

edit: sorry, the list just keeps growing :wink:

Game13a13y

okie.... theres alot wrong with your list.

1. no next-gen format (HD-DVD) for more game storage.

I can agree with that, BUT ! its not a necessity due to multi disks.

2. disc scratching problem

totally agree but then again I don't stand my consoles up.....

3. lousy disc drive that makes monstrous noise

totally disagree my 360 is quite. I have no idea where this rumor comes from.

4. RROD (overheating)

Totally agree this is the one aspect in the 360 where I think the hardware was rushed out the door before proper Quality Control could be done.

5. big power brick

What ? whats this got to do with anything ?

6. 3 Sku's to confuse consumers, and the Core has no HDD, a step backward

ummm PS3 has how many now ? but granted all of the PS3's are just as good for playing games where as if you get the core 360 without a HD your kinda screwed.

7. no bluetooth

And ? IMO Bluetooth SUCKS, heck I can't tell you how many times my Controller on my PS3 has lost synch and My guy in motorstorm just starts turning in to walls until the controller regains Synch.

8. no motion sensing ability, Wii has Wiimote, PS 3 has Sixasis

Yea because Wario Ware and Lair are such awesome games right :roll:

9. no real backward compatibility

can anyone really believe a company as big as MS will release anything without testing?

oh wait, yeah they did that with every verison of windows ever made.

but we're talking hardware.... and we are talking about MS and they're smart so they knew they couldn't under test their equipment right?

oh wait, the RROD.

So in my theory I believe MS is being a calculated *fill your prefered curse word" and they knew they didn't want to make a system that will last more than 4 years. They know they wouldn't release a console on its 2nd gen and be ahead of the gaming industry so they opt to put money in their nex-nex-gen systems. The RROD will never be completely fixed because its easier to start new than to recover from past wrong doings.

can anyone really believe a company as big as MS will release anything without testing?

oh wait, yeah they did that with every verison of windows ever made.

but we're talking hardware.... and we are talking about MS and they're smart so they knew they couldn't under test their equipment right?

oh wait, the RROD.

So in my theory I believe MS is being a calculated *fill your prefered curse word" and they knew they didn't want to make a system that will last more than 4 years. They know they wouldn't release a console on its 2nd gen and be ahead of the gaming industry so they opt to put money in their nex-nex-gen systems. The RROD will never be completely fixed because its easier to start new than to recover from past wrong doings.

nextgenCurious

MS will buy their way out of the hw issue. By doing about thing and extending warranty to RROD for free, they will ignore that their console is faulty.

yeah hardware wise if it was not then i would not be on my thrid 360

man i wish mine broke when the elite came out my friends xbox 360 broke when the elite came out and got a free elite by switching it at best buy.

there seems to be alot of things going wrong on the X360.

1. no next-gen format (HD-DVD) for more game storage.
2. disc scratching problem
3. lousy disc drive that makes monstrous noise
4. RROD (overheating)
5. big power brick
6. 3 Sku's to confuse consumers, and the Core has no HDD, a step backward
7. no bluetooth
8. no motion sensing ability, Wii has Wiimote, PS 3 has Sixasis
9. no real backward compatibility

overall, the technology on the X360 is nothing ground breaking, they just pieced together some off-the-shelves components and snaped an X on top of it.

PS 3 has Blu-ray and cell, thats what i call next-gen, agree?

edit: sorry, the list just keeps growing :wink:

Game13a13y

1. I wouldn't say the 360 was rushed because of this....i'm sure the technology would have been available at the time had MS chosen to take advantage of it. Until multi-disc games start popping out all over the place, than I still agree with MS's decision because the space isn't needed. If it allowed MS to offer the 360 at the sweet pricing point of $399 at the time, than i'm all for it. But thishas nothing to do with being rushed. The Wii was released a year after the 360 and still didn't have a next gen disc format.....so time had nothing to do with it.

2.Never had this problem...so I can't really comment on this aside from stating that it clearly doesn't effect everyone. But 99.99% of the people that I have talked to that have had discs scratched was because they moved the console while it was on and while the disc was spinning inside.....which is clearly stated in the manual not to do. So it's there fault and not MS's. Other than that, I know nothing about disc scratching problems.

3. I hear nothing. Maybe when the console is booting up...but during gameplay I hear nothing. Perhaps it's the monstrous surround sound speakers thaterase out the noise...but my old ps2 wasn't rushed and it was still a loud son of a *****. So this point fails as well.

4. This I'll agree with...but when you take into account that most systems died out a few months after they were released, I can understand why it would be pretty hard for MS to detect such a problem. To there credit they did everything they could to remedy the problem....so they've basically made the best out of a pretty bad circumstance. But obviously some hardware defects it not instant death to a franchise....since 2 of my ps2's crapped out (my friends had the same problems) and the ps2 STILL dominated last gen.

5. big power brick? This has to be the absolute worst example on your list. The wii also has a power brick, and the ps3 is way bigger than the 360 because the power brick is internal. I really don't see how some added time would have allowed MS to NOT have to have a power brick. At this point it's pretty obvious you are just grasping at straws and looking for any reason to make your point. This is a very pathetic example.

6. Doesn't the wii not have a HD? I dont' see how you can sit here, knowing damn well that a console released a year after the 360 doesn't have a HD, and suggest that this reason had to do with the 360 being rushed. Absolutly terrible. What does this have to do with the 360 being rushed? OBVIOUSLY the technology of a harddrive was invented at the time...it's not like waiting a year would have made the technology MORE available. This has nothing to do with the topic. It was MS's choice to target a console at the traditional $299 pricing point, and cutting out the HD was the best way to do so. And you say MS is confusing people with multiple SKU's? Sony has already done 20gb, 40gb, 60gb, and 80gb...WITH price changes occuring in there as well. How are you going to attack MS for releasing different sku's when Sony has taken it to a whole new level with ALL of there sku changes coming in LESS THAN A YEAR AFTER LAUNCH?

7. ....so what? Again, nothing to do with being rushed and everything to do with MS choice not to integrate the feature. THE TECHNOLOGY HAD ALREADY BEEN INVENTED....long before actually. Why is it that the Wii has none of this stuff...and you don't accuse the wii of being rushed? PERHAPS IT"S BECAUSE IT WAS THERE CHOICE NOT TO HAVE THESE FEATURES? Same with MS.

8. Motion sensing is working out sooooo well for the ps3 right now...........[/sarcasm]. Lair was basically driven into the ground by this "groundbreaking technology" alone. Aside from that....Sony is also going back to include rumble, proving there whole "rumble is last gen" argument to be complete BS. MS stuck with what works...and it works.Sony wentBACK to what works.

9. You have to pay for bacwards compatibility with the Wii, and the ps3 doesn't have full backwards compatibility either...so honestly what is your point? The new 40gb doesnt' have backwards compatibility at all.

If you are going to bash the 360 than make a thread and openly bash the 360. But almost none of your points support your argument that the 360 was rushed.

can anyone really believe a company as big as MS will release anything without testing?

oh wait, yeah they did that with every verison of windows ever made.

but we're talking hardware.... and we are talking about MS and they're smart so they knew they couldn't under test their equipment right?

oh wait, the RROD.

So in my theory I believe MS is being a calculated *fill your prefered curse word" and they knew they didn't want to make a system that will last more than 4 years. They know they wouldn't release a console on its 2nd gen and be ahead of the gaming industry so they opt to put money in their nex-nex-gen systems. The RROD will never be completely fixed because its easier to start new than to recover from past wrong doings.

nextgenCurious

disc...read...error.

Sony had hardware problems with there second console, why is it absolutly unforgivable that MS has hardware problems with there second console?

MS will buy their way out of the hw issue. By doing about thing and extending warranty to RROD for free, they will ignore that their console is faulty.

gamenux

You realize microsoft is planning to have a new motherboard and both CPU & GPU in 65nm chipsets by Q2 2008 right to solve this problem? Hows that buying there way out when they are going out of there way to fix consoles that break from the problem for free and even putting the hardware fixes in the refurbished/fixed units when they are sent back to there users?

I don't quite understand cause right now if anything they are going out of there way to solve the problem.

Enough already. We know that you think the 360 is Satan incarnate and that anyone and everyone who enjoys it should be rounded up and shot. We get it.

Verge_6

not really, i don't have any problems with people enjoying the things they like. i just can't stand lemmings constantly acting like they have the coolest s**T when in reality they're not.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Enough already. We know that you think the 360 is Satan incarnate and that anyone and everyone who enjoys it should be rounded up and shot. We get it.

Game13a13y

not really, i don't have any problems with people enjoying the things they like. i just can't stand lemmings constantly acting like they have the coolest s**T when in reality they're not.

3 AAA's in 3 months.

Halo 3 = 9.5

HL Orange Box = 9.5

Bioshock = 9

Find me another next gen console that has put up these numbers in a three month span and I will jump aboard with your point.

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Enough already. We know that you think the 360 is Satan incarnate and that anyone and everyone who enjoys it should be rounded up and shot. We get it.

bezaire2005

not really, i don't have any problems with people enjoying the things they like. i just can't stand lemmings constantly acting like they have the coolest s**T when in reality they're not.

3 AAA's in 3 months.

Halo 3 = 9.5

HL Orange Box = 9.5

Bioshock = 9

Find me another next gen console that has put up these numbers in a three month span and I will jump aboard with your point.

Halo 3 = Halo 2.5
HL Orange box = multiplat
Bioshock = multiplat

i don't know why are you bragging.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Enough already. We know that you think the 360 is Satan incarnate and that anyone and everyone who enjoys it should be rounded up and shot. We get it.

Game13a13y

not really, i don't have any problems with people enjoying the things they like. i just can't stand lemmings constantly acting like they have the coolest s**T when in reality they're not.

3 AAA's in 3 months.

Halo 3 = 9.5

HL Orange Box = 9.5

Bioshock = 9

Find me another next gen console that has put up these numbers in a three month span and I will jump aboard with your point.

Halo 3 = Halo 2.5
HL Orange box = multiplat
Bioshock = multiplat

i don't know why are you bragging.

That was pathetic, even for you.

Nope, PS3 was rushed. Blu-ray is not ready for the mainstream. People are still buying DVD's. HD penetration into the mainstream market isn't as high as some would like to believe. 2009 would've been the perfect year to launch it and it would've taken off most likely around 2011, when HD penetration will be much higher. The Xbox 360 was not rushed though.

I think it's rushed, but I don't think the technology is last gen.jack_russel

Agreed. Now for some games on the Xbrick, oops it's flashing red rings again!

Nope, PS3 was rushed. Blu-ray is not ready for the mainstream. People are still buying DVD's. HD penetration into the mainstream market isn't as high as some would like to believe. 2009 would've been the perfect year to launch it and it would've taken off most likely around 2011, when HD penetration will be much higher. The Xbox 360 was not rushed though.

BioShockOwnz

Apparently you've never heard of the red ring of death? * gasps *

Nope, PS3 was rushed. Blu-ray is not ready for the mainstream. People are still buying DVD's. HD penetration into the mainstream market isn't as high as some would like to believe. 2009 would've been the perfect year to launch it and it would've taken off most likely around 2011, when HD penetration will be much higher. The Xbox 360 was not rushed though.

BioShockOwnz

I'm sorry, but that is umm... entirely moronic? I could have handled you saying that either the PS3 was rushed or the 360 wasn't because then it would just be your own somewhat intelligent opinion. But to say that the 360 was not rushed (yet we've endured 2 years of burning consoles) and the PS3 was at the same is ridiculous and two-faced. I know you are a fanboy, but I guess my affinity for PC's and seeing your Crysis picture always lead me to believe you were, let us say this as tactfully as possible, of simian intelligence? Obviously I am wrong, maybe an inebriated simian would be a more fair comparison. I can see the Blu-ray statement; I don't agree, but can see where you are coming from and it is after all your opinion. I cannot though, excuse you defense of the 360 while condemning the PS3 over hardware. You could argue price, games, online service, or whatever, but the PS3 hardware is much more full-featured and reliable than the 360's hardware.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Enough already. We know that you think the 360 is Satan incarnate and that anyone and everyone who enjoys it should be rounded up and shot. We get it.

Game13a13y

not really, i don't have any problems with people enjoying the things they like. i just can't stand lemmings constantly acting like they have the coolest s**T when in reality they're not.

3 AAA's in 3 months.

Halo 3 = 9.5

HL Orange Box = 9.5

Bioshock = 9

Find me another next gen console that has put up these numbers in a three month span and I will jump aboard with your point.

Halo 3 = Halo 2.5
HL Orange box = multiplat
Bioshock = multiplat

i don't know why are you bragging.

I thought I'd get a post like that in return. Nice job...you proved me right about you.