Outdated game mechanics that SHOULD NOT be in current gen games.

There are some things that people have found annoying for ages, and yet we still occasionally see them in current gen games.

What are they?

I'll start with Unskippable Cutscenes. I don't know why this problem still persists - not everyone wants to watch the cutscenes even on the first playthrough, and it really takes away from replay value for me - just because I don't want to sit through them again and again.

Save game blocks/limited game saves/save points

Boss battles.

Save game blocks/limited game saves/save points

Boss battles.

Savegame nodes.

I love boss fights.

Unskippable cutscenes
Save points
Having to hold a button down to run
Not being able to aim and move at the same time
Random battles in RPGs
Fixed camera angles
Respawning enemies
Mini-games
Quick-time events
Backtracking

There's more I probably haven't thought of, but those are my main niggles.

Boss battles?IronBass

Save game blocks/limited game saves/save points

Boss battles.

heretrix

quick time eventsbingbaocao

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"]quick time eventsII_Seraphim_II

Tedious turn based combat in when a real time system could be better, thegoldenpoo

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

Boss battles?Mckenna1845

It's really dull. You'd think that at this point in time the framework of games would evolve just a bit more to where they could make a game interesting enough to where it actually isn't needed. People got pissed off at Splinter Cell because there aren't any "true" boss battles in it. I liked it for PRECISELY that reason. It's like multiplayer, it isn't always necessary.

While I don't think they should be completely eliminated from games, I'm just tired of the usual asinine boss battles most games arbitrarily put you through. Most of them are badly designed and completely unfair and while they absolutely can be beaten, I get no enjoyment out of defeating them, just relief that this assy part of the game is freaking over.

Yah I'm so tired of being able to jump in games seems so old school

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

Boss battles?heretrix

It's really dull. You'd think that at this point in time the framework of games would evolve just a bit more to where they could make a game interesting enough to where it actually isn't needed. People got pissed off at Splinter Cell because there aren't any "true" boss battles in it. I liked it for PRECISELY that reason. It's like multiplayer, it isn't always necessary.

While I don't think they should be completely eliminated from games, I'm just tired of the usual asinine boss battles most games arbitrarily put you through. Most of them are badly designed and completely unfair and while they absolutely can be beaten, I get no enjoyment out of defeating them, just relief that this assy part of the game is freaking over.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="bingbaocao"]quick time eventsbingbaocao

I have no problem with save points as long as they are placed well throughout the game and the game is well paced. A mnechanic I would actually like to see though is some kind of reminder as to where you should be going when you don't play a game for a while. Nothing worse than running around for an hour trying to figure out where you just left off. Oh and I guess I hate unskippable cut scenes too.

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] They are good in moderation and when they are optional, like in GoW games.II_Seraphim_II

Apart from those two, he's sort of right though :)

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Save game blocks/limited game saves/save points

Boss battles.

II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

Boss battles?heretrix

It's really dull. You'd think that at this point in time the framework of games would evolve just a bit more to where they could make a game interesting enough to where it actually isn't needed. People got pissed off at Splinter Cell because there aren't any "true" boss battles in it. I liked it for PRECISELY that reason. It's like multiplayer, it isn't always necessary.

While I don't think they should be completely eliminated from games, I'm just tired of the usual asinine boss battles most games arbitrarily put you through. Most of them are badly designed and completely unfair and while they absolutely can be beaten, I get no enjoyment out of defeating them, just relief that this assy part of the game is freaking over.

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

Boss battles?heretrix

It's really dull. You'd think that at this point in time the framework of games would evolve just a bit more to where they could make a game interesting enough to where it actually isn't needed. People got pissed off at Splinter Cell because there aren't any "true" boss battles in it. I liked it for PRECISELY that reason. It's like multiplayer, it isn't always necessary.

While I don't think they should be completely eliminated from games, I'm just tired of the usual asinine boss battles most games arbitrarily put you through. Most of them are badly designed and completely unfair and while they absolutely can be beaten, I get no enjoyment out of defeating them, just relief that this assy part of the game is freaking over.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"] exactly i don't know how you would have an end game in alot of games without a boss battle.

Salt_The_Fries

It's really dull. You'd think that at this point in time the framework of games would evolve just a bit more to where they could make a game interesting enough to where it actually isn't needed. People got pissed off at Splinter Cell because there aren't any "true" boss battles in it. I liked it for PRECISELY that reason. It's like multiplayer, it isn't always necessary.

While I don't think they should be completely eliminated from games, I'm just tired of the usual asinine boss battles most games arbitrarily put you through. Most of them are badly designed and completely unfair and while they absolutely can be beaten, I get no enjoyment out of defeating them, just relief that this assy part of the game is freaking over.

Just look at a game like Uncharted. I thought that game was absolutely fantastic. As far as I remember it didn't have any real bos fights until the very end of the game and that was the one thing that brought the game down a bit in my opinion. They did a damn good job of moving the story along and keeping it interesting.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Save game blocks/limited game saves/save points

Boss battles.

heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"] exactly i don't know how you would have an end game in alot of games without a boss battle.

rolo107

It's really dull. You'd think that at this point in time the framework of games would evolve just a bit more to where they could make a game interesting enough to where it actually isn't needed. People got pissed off at Splinter Cell because there aren't any "true" boss battles in it. I liked it for PRECISELY that reason. It's like multiplayer, it isn't always necessary.

While I don't think they should be completely eliminated from games, I'm just tired of the usual asinine boss battles most games arbitrarily put you through. Most of them are badly designed and completely unfair and while they absolutely can be beaten, I get no enjoyment out of defeating them, just relief that this assy part of the game is freaking over.

Absolutely not. And I didn't know proof was necessary.

And I said that I don't think they should be completely eliminated from games.I just think that there should be more ways to transition from one area to another.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] What are you on about Heretix? Boss battles are freaking awesome! Its like in music or movies...you need to have a climax, a crescendo and the Boss fight is the climax. Games without any boss fights would seem rather stale and boring. There is a greater feeling of accomplishment in killing a boss than killing 100 generic foes. Boss fights are like tests at the end of the school year. They see if you've learned anything while playing the game and ask you to apply your knowledge so far in one epic battle. As for limited save points, it really depends on the type of game. If Killzone 2 had an quick save feature, it would get abused. The game would be too easy and beating it in Elite would mean nothing. Limited save points make for a more challenging game rather than the PC "Trial and Error without consequences" system where you can just beat the game through brute force. Also, from what I hear, a game like Demon Souls would be completely killed by a quick save/save anytime feature. Limited save points force you to think before you act.

II_Seraphim_II

RTSs don't always force you to micromanage. Play Dawn of War 2 and a few other recent RTSs and get back to me ok? What's broken is if you have to gimp a certain game function/mechanic to make a player feel a certain way. I see so many people making excuses for this BS.

"lets limit the camera view and make the character move like a soggy brick. That will make them scared when the Zombies come out"

Um, how about making a truly scary situation instead of trying to trick me into being scared because I got crap being thrown at me from all directions, and I can't move?

Random Battles, Tedious turn based combat in when a real time system could be better, Card battle mini games. Fixed camera. Time wasting repeating levels. Kill X generic easy monsters in location Y to advance. Wait a minute.... did i just describe just about every FF/ JRPG game :?thegoldenpoo

This thread is confusing. Some people are stating certain aspects that are still very well done in games today. For instance Boss fights can still be very entertaining (as in MGS4) but they can also be bad. That doesnt mean they SHOULD NOT be in current gen games, it just means they should be done well. Things like unskippable cutscenes are ALWAYS bad. but the other things like QTE and Boss fights are only bad if badly implemented, so its not the feature itself thats bad, but the way its used. I know I would be very dissapointed if GoW3 didnt have Boss Fights and QTEs because so far they have been amazingly well done.II_Seraphim_II

But that's your opinion on the matter. I absolutely have had enough QTE, its too much now. As far as I'm concerned they are becoming annoying because it becomes tap a button to do ridiculous acrobatic that they couldn't let you do in normal gameplay. Boss battles are something that I don't really care about, I like them but I get heterix's point to. If they suck, it ruins the game plain and simple and they do suck most of the time. But even then, how many elements in games are always bad?

[QUOTE="redbaron3"]Jumping in FPS games, sure its good for most games like UT series or other run and guns but other games that are trying to have the game in a realistic environment an non sci-fi like COD series doesn't really need jumping, rather than jumping they should expand upon the climb feature where you hold a button and your character climbs over the small wall. games relying on checkpoints- its 2009 PC games have had quicksave for more than 10 years now yet some games still come out today using annoying checkpoint saves.II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="redbaron3"]Jumping in FPS games, sure its good for most games like UT series or other run and guns but other games that are trying to have the game in a realistic environment an non sci-fi like COD series doesn't really need jumping, rather than jumping they should expand upon the climb feature where you hold a button and your character climbs over the small wall. games relying on checkpoints- its 2009 PC games have had quicksave for more than 10 years now yet some games still come out today using annoying checkpoint saves.heretrix

Unskippable cutscenes
Save points
Having to hold a button down to run
Not being able to aim and move at the same time
Random battles in RPGs
Fixed camera angles
Respawning enemies
Mini-games
Quick-time events
Backtracking

There's more I probably haven't thought of, but those are my main niggles.

Silent-Hal

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] What are you on about Heretix? Boss battles are freaking awesome! Its like in music or movies...you need to have a climax, a crescendo and the Boss fight is the climax. Games without any boss fights would seem rather stale and boring. There is a greater feeling of accomplishment in killing a boss than killing 100 generic foes. Boss fights are like tests at the end of the school year. They see if you've learned anything while playing the game and ask you to apply your knowledge so far in one epic battle. As for limited save points, it really depends on the type of game. If Killzone 2 had an quick save feature, it would get abused. The game would be too easy and beating it in Elite would mean nothing. Limited save points make for a more challenging game rather than the PC "Trial and Error without consequences" system where you can just beat the game through brute force. Also, from what I hear, a game like Demon Souls would be completely killed by a quick save/save anytime feature. Limited save points force you to think before you act.

II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]

Unskippable cutscenes
Save points
Having to hold a button down to run
Not being able to aim and move at the same time
Random battles in RPGs
Fixed camera angles
Respawning enemies
Mini-games
Quick-time events
Backtracking

There's more I probably haven't thought of, but those are my main niggles.

navyguy21

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]

Unskippable cutscenes
Save points
Having to hold a button down to run
Not being able to aim and move at the same time
Random battles in RPGs
Fixed camera angles
Respawning enemies
Mini-games
Quick-time events
Backtracking

There's more I probably haven't thought of, but those are my main niggles.

navyguy21

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]

Unskippable cutscenes
Save points
Having to hold a button down to run
Not being able to aim and move at the same time
Random battles in RPGs
Fixed camera angles
Respawning enemies
Mini-games
Quick-time events
Backtracking

There's more I probably haven't thought of, but those are my main niggles.

heretrix

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"] Tedious turn based combat in when a real time system could be better, bingbaocao

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Like I said above, I've noticed that a lot of PC gamers use the "brute force" tactic of beating games. Just save every 2 seconds and run into the wall till it breaks down. Now that might be great for PC games, but maybe some devs actually want their gamers to have some skill, so they place checkpoints at certain points. And quick saving isnt as streamlined as on PC where you just tap F5. On consoles you would have to pause, click save, confirm, wait and them click ok then presss pause again thus breaking the flow of the game.II_Seraphim_II

I don't need a quick save. going into the start menu and clicking on save is just fine.It's not so hard and it doesn't disrupt jack squat. What the video game industry needs is for people to stop making excuses for shoddy gameplay mechanics. I just want to be able to stop when I need to. Some of us have other things to do sometimes and would probably not want to replay an entire secton of the game because a designer couldn't figure out how or refused to design the flow of their game around a reasonable save system.

If the video game industry wants to grow up they better start designing games for people over 15 who have more things to do besides sitting in front of a TV all day.

Having to pause the game all the time to bring a menu up. Games must have some sort of quick menu/map and allow the player to switch items/abilities on the go otherwise pause menu only is getting outdated.

Not being able to carry stuff over for second playthroughs. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to do this.

Respawning enemies
Mini-games

There's more I probably haven't thought of, but those are my main niggles.

Silent-Hal

Respawning enemies is a great thing in action games and if by minigames you mean mandatory ones then I agree, but optional ones are good.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] OMG, im with you on the random battles in RPGs, and i JUST started playing them lol. That crap is annoying, it made me sell Lost Odyssey!! Are there any JRPGs without them?? Also dont like respawing enemies, or overused quicktime events.

navyguy21

JRPGs...uh no one thing, the whole genre is outdated and needs something new.

This topic = a bunch of sw users saying anything they don't like is "outdated."

This topic = a bunch of sw users saying anything they don't like is "outdated."

hakanakumono

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

This topic = a bunch of sw users saying anything they don't like is "outdated."

bingbaocao

LOL.

They just plain suck.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]FF 12 doesn't have random battles. I dug that quite a bit.

heretrix