Nintendo slowly taking over everything

From Gamasutra: Really highlights what is going on and the deep meanings of the NPD numbers. I also posted this in the NPD thread but think this deserves a thread of its own.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3906/npd_behind_the_numbers_december_.php?page=1

Nintendo is taking over everything now........Wii software will slowly kill everyone from now on.

If you divide the Nintendo's numbers even by half (It's combined sales of all Wii and DS software, just like Sony's is PS2+PS3+PSP), it would mean Wii sold over 60 million software in the U.S. this year! That's insane!


Some neat tibits!

The Wii software tie ratio appears to be approaching 6.0 games per system. Incidentally, Mr. Pachter noted that the Wii accounted for 37% of all software dollars in December 2008, surpassing the record set by the PlayStation 2 in December 2003.

Interestingly, Microsoft has often touted the Xbox 360 software tie ratio in its press releases, but declined to do so for December 2008.

It's interesting to note because the article also mentions PS3's attach-ratio has also gone up to near 6 like the Wii. But the difference between why the Wii is slowly killing everyone and why PS3 is now software graveyard (before Sony cowboyz jump in, Dec. sales, no sony exclusives in the top 20, only PS3 game was CoD, a game that sold far more on the X360) is userbase. PS3's userbase is simply not sustainable like the NGC (which, at the end of its life, saw an attach ratio of 9.7, but it sure didn't help matters).

Taking over what? Blue-Sky

You mama, you papa, you sisters, you brothers, and every single one of your family members in between.

Well he got the numbers, but still

Nintendo will not dominate the entire game world by it self. Beside I haven't bought a game for the will since SSB.

For it to get more sell's form players who want more action then what been usually being produce here, they need to come up with more and more games like No More Hero's and Red Steel, Deadly creatures might help it a little, same with the sequel for NMH's that will come out this year.

Like most people on this board, Im relativley unconcerned about Nintendos dominance of the casual market. Im here because i like playing hardcore video games, not party games and shovelware trash.mijkil

Like most people on this board, Im relativley unconcerned about Nintendos dominance of the casual market. Im here because i like playing hardcore video games, not party games and shovelware trash.mijkil

[QUOTE="mijkil"]Like most people on this board, Im relativley unconcerned about Nintendos dominance of the casual market. Im here because i like playing hardcore video games, not party games and shovelware trash.Can-o-Mark

Nintendo fanboys love to try and muddy the waters on this subject with semantics, even though they know all the games they love and all the greatest Nintendo franchisies are hardcore games.

Most people on this board would agree that hardcore games distinguish themselves from casual games by rewarding the players skill, and patience, with unique experiences. Casual games on the other hand are dumbed down to the level that anyone can enjoy them regardless of the amount of time and effort invested. This isnt necassarilly a bad thing for those that enjoy them, but it simply aint my bag, and im pretty sure its not yours either :)

At least someone started a thread with numbers and a pie chart this time. Nice work on that.

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"][QUOTE="mijkil"]Like most people on this board, Im relativley unconcerned about Nintendos dominance of the casual market. Im here because i like playing hardcore video games, not party games and shovelware trash.mijkil

Nintendo fanboys love to try and muddy the waters on this subject with semantics, even though they know all the games they love and all the greatest Nintendo franchisies are hardcore games.

Most people on this board would agree that hardcore games distinguish themselves from casual games by rewarding the players skill, and patience, with unique experiences. Casual games on the other hand are dumbed down to the level that anyone can enjoy them regardless of the amount of time and effort invested. This isnt necassarilly a bad thing for those that enjoy them, but it simply aint my bag, and im pretty sure its not yours either :)

This core and hardcore argument is for the dogs. We'll all be slushing in puddles until this nonsense is laid off.

At least someone started a thread with numbers and a pie chart this time. Nice work on that.

[QUOTE="mijkil"]

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"] Perhaps you can give me a good definition of the word hardcore and casual.scorpion88057

Nintendo fanboys love to try and muddy the waters on this subject with semantics, even though they know all the games they love and all the greatest Nintendo franchisies are hardcore games.

Most people on this board would agree that hardcore games distinguish themselves from casual games by rewarding the players skill, and patience, with unique experiences. Casual games on the other hand are dumbed down to the level that anyone can enjoy them regardless of the amount of time and effort invested. This isnt necassarilly a bad thing for those that enjoy them, but it simply aint my bag, and im pretty sure its not yours either :)

This core and hardcore argument is for the dogs. We'll all be slushing in puddles until this nonsense is laid off.

The activities you described arent really hardcore, rather they describe the behaviour of someone with aspergers syndrome. I happen think my definiton stands up quite well.

[QUOTE="scorpion88057"]

At least someone started a thread with numbers and a pie chart this time. Nice work on that.

[QUOTE="mijkil"]

Nintendo fanboys love to try and muddy the waters on this subject with semantics, even though they know all the games they love and all the greatest Nintendo franchisies are hardcore games.

Most people on this board would agree that hardcore games distinguish themselves from casual games by rewarding the players skill, and patience, with unique experiences. Casual games on the other hand are dumbed down to the level that anyone can enjoy them regardless of the amount of time and effort invested. This isnt necassarilly a bad thing for those that enjoy them, but it simply aint my bag, and im pretty sure its not yours either :)

mijkil

This core and hardcore argument is for the dogs. We'll all be slushing in puddles until this nonsense is laid off.

The activities you described arent really hardcore, rather they describe the behaviour of someone with aspergers syndrome. I happen think my definiton stands up quite well.

Like most people on this board, Im relativley unconcerned about Nintendos dominance of the casual market. Im here because i like playing hardcore video games, not party games and shovelware trash.mijkil

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"][QUOTE="mijkil"]Like most people on this board, Im relativley unconcerned about Nintendos dominance of the casual market. Im here because i like playing hardcore video games, not party games and shovelware trash.mijkil

Nintendo fanboys love to try and muddy the waters on this subject with semantics, even though they know all the games they love and all the greatest Nintendo franchisies are hardcore games.

Most people on this board would agree that hardcore games distinguish themselves from casual games by rewarding the players skill, and patience, with unique experiences.

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"][QUOTE="mijkil"]Like most people on this board, Im relativley unconcerned about Nintendos dominance of the casual market. Im here because i like playing hardcore video games, not party games and shovelware trash.mijkil

Nintendo fanboys love to try and muddy the waters on this subject with semantics, even though they know all the games they love and all the greatest Nintendo franchisies are hardcore games.

Most people on this board would agree that hardcore games distinguish themselves from casual games by rewarding the players skill, and patience, with unique experiences. Casual games on the other hand are dumbed down to the level that anyone can enjoy them regardless of the amount of time and effort invested. This isnt necassarilly a bad thing for those that enjoy them, but it simply aint my bag, and im pretty sure its not yours either :)

[QUOTE="mijkil"]

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"] Perhaps you can give me a good definition of the word hardcore and casual.Can-o-Mark

Nintendo fanboys love to try and muddy the waters on this subject with semantics, even though they know all the games they love and all the greatest Nintendo franchisies are hardcore games.

Most people on this board would agree that hardcore games distinguish themselves from casual games by rewarding the players skill, and patience, with unique experiences. Casual games on the other hand are dumbed down to the level that anyone can enjoy them regardless of the amount of time and effort invested. This isnt necassarilly a bad thing for those that enjoy them, but it simply aint my bag, and im pretty sure its not yours either :)

Thats a terrible interpretation of what i said - you (deliberately) ignored the part where i said they REWARD skill and patience.

As for the other replies

- yes the GTA is a hardcore series, that just happens to be insanely good and hence popular. point?

- no the new POP is a horribly messed up abortion that was ruined by the devs pandering to teh casuals (youve made a bit of a fool of yourself havent you)

Wii software will slowly kill everyone from now on.

StryderK

:lol: haha. Not exactly the message Nintendo wants to send out. LOL. Wii articles saying, "Wii fit Dangerous?" :P

[QUOTE="mijkil"]

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"] Perhaps you can give me a good definition of the word hardcore and casual.MagnuzGuerra

Nintendo fanboys love to try and muddy the waters on this subject with semantics, even though they know all the games they love and all the greatest Nintendo franchisies are hardcore games.

Most people on this board would agree that hardcore games distinguish themselves from casual games by rewarding the players skill, and patience, with unique experiences.

[QUOTE="Can-o-Mark"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Nintendo fanboys love to try and muddy the waters on this subject with semantics, even though they know all the games they love and all the greatest Nintendo franchisies are hardcore games.

Most people on this board would agree that hardcore games distinguish themselves from casual games by rewarding the players skill, and patience, with unique experiences. Casual games on the other hand are dumbed down to the level that anyone can enjoy them regardless of the amount of time and effort invested. This isnt necassarilly a bad thing for those that enjoy them, but it simply aint my bag, and im pretty sure its not yours either :)

mijkil

Thats a terrible interpretation of what i said - you (deliberately) ignored the part where i said they REWARD skill and patience.

As for the other replies

- yes the GTA is a hardcore series, that just happens to be insanely good and hence popular. point?

- no the new POP is a horribly messed up abortion that was ruined by the devs pandering to teh casuals (youve made a bit of a fool of yourself havent you)

What the hell happened to my real nintendo?yowtfyowtfyo

Taking over what? Blue-Sky

What the hell happened to my real nintendo?yowtfyowtfyo

[QUOTE="yowtfyowtfyo"]What the hell happened to my real nintendo?angry_fork

Nintendo fanboys love to try and muddy the waters on this subject with semantics, even though they know all the games they love and all the greatest Nintendo franchisies are hardcore games.

Most people on this board would agree that hardcore games distinguish themselves from casual games by rewarding the players skill, and patience, with unique experiences. Casual games on the other hand are dumbed down to the level that anyone can enjoy them regardless of the amount of time and effort invested. This isnt necassarilly a bad thing for those that enjoy them, but it simply aint my bag, and im pretty sure its not yours either :)

mijkil

Geometry Wars is a casual game, it rewards skill

Tetris is a casual game, it rewards skill

Pac-Man is a casual game, it rewards skill

etc, etc...

You're definition of "hardcore" is wrong, try again.

Go nintendo. i Rather nintendo run the market than the other guys. Rahnyc4

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="yowtfyowtfyo"]What the hell happened to my real nintendo?Rahnyc4

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]Go nintendo. i Rather nintendo run the market than the other guys. angry_fork

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]Go nintendo. i Rather nintendo run the market than the other guys. angry_fork

[QUOTE="angry_fork"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]Go nintendo. i Rather nintendo run the market than the other guys. Grinning_Demon

Nintendo didnt change, people played Halo and GTA 3 and decided Nintendo was a "kiddy console" and a "failure". They have gained dominance in the marketshare, something that hasnt been seen since the SNES days and now some of you are complaining it "changed". The HD model is broken. Simple as that. 3rd parties are now starting to realize they betted on the wrong horse and making quality titles for the system. Nintendo is saving the console gaming industry. If Nintendo went the same route are the HD twins, the market would be very stagnant and many studios would shut their doors. The thing I hate most about this generation is how oversaturated the FPS genre is and yet haters bash Nintendo for doing something different. Grow up. Youre not "Hardcore", there is no "Casual" and Nintendo is here to stay. Embrace it or disgrace it.InfinityMugen

The way i see the Wii is that its not a games console but more of an "entertainment" system for families, and they simply buy the Wii to have fun in groups and parties. The Xbox 360 and PS3s are for those who are looking for nice graphics with some compelling storyline, best enjoyed on their own, and this demographic will not die out because when the new PlayStation 6 or Xbox Pi come out they are going to buy it for their own enjoyment of "super realistic gameplay with ultra realistic graphics", whereas the demographics for the Wii is mainly families, and these people aren't going to, say, buy the next, new Wii, because most families, as a group, would not bother to spend much money on games and they would wonder to themselves why they would need a new Wii when they already have one.

And what im trying to get at is that the Wii might have taken over this generation, but, if continued down the same path, nobody would buy their product

The way i see the Wii is that its not a games console but more of an "entertainment" system for families, and they simply buy the Wii to have fun in groups and parties. The Xbox 360 and PS3s are for those who are looking for nice graphics with some compelling storyline, best enjoyed on their own, and this demographic will not die out because when the new PlayStation 6 or Xbox Pi come out they are going to buy it for their own enjoyment of "super realistic gameplay with ultra realistic graphics", whereas the demographics for the Wii is mainly families, and these people aren't going to, say, buy the next, new Wii, because most families, as a group, would not bother to spend much money on games and they would wonder to themselves why they would need a new Wii when they already have one.

And what im trying to get at is that the Wii might have taken over this generation, but, if continued down the same path, nobody would buy their product

SystemOnline

[QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"][QUOTE="angry_fork"] The last Wii game I was proud of paying the full 50$ for was Mario Galaxy, every game after that is worth 40$ or less in my opinion, because they're either 1. PS2 ports, 2. Re-hashes, or 3. Game's that are good but just aren't worth 50$ (looking at you Boom Blox).angry_fork

This is the crap that really pisses me off...you havent even read up on the game talkless of playing it yet you have concluded that Wario ware is a mini game collection.