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#1 fanboymaycry
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http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1336909&postcount=590
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#2 kage_53
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So you made a new account just for this ?
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#3 fanboymaycry
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Check out that screen tearing and framerate difference. So much for that extra 16 months on the PS3 version. Who cares if the graphics are a little sharper in cutscenes if the screen tears in half everytime its in motion.
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#4 linkin_guy109
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your using a forum post to back up the claim?

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#5 AssassinFonce
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But you know, the 360 version did have some damn huge bugs that caused the framerate to drop to a slideshow almost during those stairs in one of the later chapters. Then with the next update it froze there. It was fixed a tad after that though and tech wise NG2 is fine.
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#6 Some-Mist
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your using a forum post to back up the claim?

linkin_guy109

LOL

If he was serious that'd make it even funnier

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#7 navyguy21
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That sucks for the developers, not the PS3s fault lol. If they didnt fix it, shame on them, dont really se how this is ownage or anything
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#8 PSdual_wielder
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NinjaOmega is back!

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#9 PSdual_wielder
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That sucks for the developers, not the PS3s fault lol. If they didnt fix it, shame on them, dont really se how this is ownage or anythingnavyguy21

You should click the link first.

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#10 kage_53
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your using a forum post to back up the claim?

linkin_guy109

Beyond3D is the tech forum. They know everything whether it's the native resolution or how much AA the game is using. They were the ones who said COD4, Halo 3 etc...all were below 720p before everyone else. Also there are quite a few devs that post there as well.

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#11 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"]That sucks for the developers, not the PS3s fault lol. If they didnt fix it, shame on them, dont really se how this is ownage or anythingPSdual_wielder

You should click the link first.

I did, not sure what you mean here :(
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#12 Totalgym9000
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except ninja gaiden sigma 2 has better textures, contrast and sharpness, Ninja gaiden sigma 2 is quite a big graphics upgrade. Im really happy about the ps3 version
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#13 Syferonik
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All i noticed is that it has a lot of jaggies
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#14 Epak_
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All i noticed is that it has a lot of jaggiesSyferonik

It has been a while since I booted up the X360 version but IMO the PS3 version has less jaggies and looks a tad better. Got the Japanese demo yesterday.

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#15 delta3074
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[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]That sucks for the developers, not the PS3s fault lol. If they didnt fix it, shame on them, dont really se how this is ownage or anythingnavyguy21

You should click the link first.

I did, not sure what you mean here :(

it's beyond3d, it's posters are mainly games developers who know what they are talking about, they know a hell of a lot more than most people on these forums and a far as i am concerned they are beyond reproach and everything they say is pretty much spot on, if they say that NG2 sigma runs worse than NG2, then that is most definitely the case.
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#16 Nero_Paladin
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NINJA GAIDEN 2 & SIGMA DEMO GAME PLAY

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#17 vashkey
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Who cares? Lets just be glad more people can play a great game.
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#18 MightyMuna
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lol, people are so sad. I dont care about technicalities, all I care is what i see. and NGS2 looks and plays better than NG2. go over to iberiansngrealm, the NGS2 demo got positive feedback. its like a whole new game. also your site is comparing a DEMO to a full game.
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#19 JonnyEarthquake
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I just wish The Stairs of Doom were still there...

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#20 darkfame
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Seriously.. it's not much of a different in performance.

PS3 Average(58.067) Tearing(10.596%) Min-Max(49.5-60.0)
360 Average(59.077) Tearing( 4.627%) Min-Max(49.5-60.0)

360 has one more frame in average, and 6% less frame tearing. And minimum framerate is 49.5 in both versions. 360 version seems to have better anti aliasing, but the lightning and overall picture quality is noticably better in the Sigma version.

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#21 ShadowriverUB
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Seriously.. it's not much of a different in performance.

PS3 Average(58.067) Tearing(10.596%) Min-Max(49.5-60.0)
360 Average(59.077) Tearing( 4.627%) Min-Max(49.5-60.0)

360 has one more frame in average, and 6% less frame tearing. And minimum framerate is 49.5 in both versions. 360 version seems to have better anti aliasing, but the lightning and overall picture quality is noticably better in the Sigma version.

darkfame

In SW small diffrences are big, theres only one first place

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#22 abuabed
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Lol wat?
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#23 Mystery_Writer
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lower performance + no blood?ps3 fans won't like this thread..

my crystal ball reads imminent boycott in the future of Tecmo :P

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#24 killab2oo5
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[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"]

your using a forum post to back up the claim?

Some-Mist

LOL

If he was serious that'd make it even funnier

:| It's a post of comparison videos. What more proof do you need?

EDIT: I'm currently going through NG2 again, and have noticed only 1 place where the framerate drops noticeably (Chapter 2). After the patches it's been smooth sailing...though I haven't got to the "Stairs of Doom!" yet.

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#25 Syferonik
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[QUOTE="Syferonik"]All i noticed is that it has a lot of jaggiesEpak_

It has been a while since I booted up the X360 version but IMO the PS3 version has less jaggies and looks a tad better. Got the Japanese demo yesterday.

The 360 version has way less jaggies cuz it supports AA but not the ps3 version. But yes ps3 version looks better texture wise and less blurry still the jaggies are just killing me :(

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#27 Epak_
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[QUOTE="Epak_"]

[QUOTE="Syferonik"]All i noticed is that it has a lot of jaggiesSyferonik

It has been a while since I booted up the X360 version but IMO the PS3 version has less jaggies and looks a tad better. Got the Japanese demo yesterday.

The 360 version has way less jaggies cuz it supports AA but not the ps3 version. But yes ps3 version looks better texture wise and less blurry still the jaggies are just killing me :(

Yeah maybe I was on drugs yesterday. Can't be bothered to check the X360 version just yet.

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#29 cheese_it
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Team Ninja completely screwed this one up. Big surprise.
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#30 Mystery_Writer
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Team Ninja completely screwed this one up. Big surprise.cheese_it
let's add them to PS3 fans' lazy devs list :P

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#31 JLF1
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How did they test the game when it isn't even out yet? Did they test the japanese demo?

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#32 Zerocrossings
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Wow i was hoping they would fix the lag issues from the 360 version. But they had the balls to make this one worse? Wtf team ninja.

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#33 killab2oo5
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How did they test the game when it isn't even out yet? Did they test the japanese demo?

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Yeah. The title of the video says "NINJA GAIDEN 2 DEMO GamePlay ".
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[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

lower performance + no blood?ps3 fans won't like this thread..

my crystal ball reads imminent boycott in the future of Tecmo :P

This is what i don't understand, you say no blood, i played the demo last night and when playing the girl section (anna i think) there was blood all over the place, i was able to take legs off and cut people in half etc, so how come people are saying there is no blood at all?. --- Also i think i noticed tearing 1 or twice in around 10 playthroughs so it's not that much of an issue (well i guess it is here it is SW after all :D), and with regards to jaggys, i play on a 1080p setup so i get it upscaled from 720p BUT i didn't really notice any (maybe it's because the gameplay is quite fast and intence), infact i thought it looked quite smooth (and the motion control bit is just LOL).
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#36 cheese_it
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[QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"][QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

lower performance + no blood?ps3 fans won't like this thread..

my crystal ball reads imminent boycott in the future of Tecmo :P

This is what i don't understand, you say no blood, i played the demo last night and when playing the girl section (anna i think) there was blood all over the place, i was able to take legs off and cut people in half etc, so how come people are saying there is no blood at all?. --- Also i think i noticed tearing 1 or twice in around 10 playthroughs so it's not that much of an issue (well i guess it is here it is SW after all :D), and with regards to jaggys, i play on a 1080p setup so i get it upscaled from 720p BUT i didn't really notice any (maybe it's because the gameplay is quite fast and intence), infact i thought it looked quite smooth (and the motion control bit is just LOL).

Because they played the 360 version, which may have been unrealistic and excessive, but that is highly preferable to the unrealistic and conservative Sigma II. Yes, it's got a lot of upgrades that make it superior, but stripping it of its gore is like taking the explosions out of Ratchet and Clank.
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#37 Ninten007
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[QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"][QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

lower performance + no blood?ps3 fans won't like this thread..

my crystal ball reads imminent boycott in the future of Tecmo :P

cheese_it

This is what i don't understand, you say no blood, i played the demo last night and when playing the girl section (anna i think) there was blood all over the place, i was able to take legs off and cut people in half etc, so how come people are saying there is no blood at all?. --- Also i think i noticed tearing 1 or twice in around 10 playthroughs so it's not that much of an issue (well i guess it is here it is SW after all :D), and with regards to jaggys, i play on a 1080p setup so i get it upscaled from 720p BUT i didn't really notice any (maybe it's because the gameplay is quite fast and intence), infact i thought it looked quite smooth (and the motion control bit is just LOL).

Because they played the 360 version, which may have been unrealistic and excessive, but that is highly preferable to the unrealistic and conservative Sigma II. Yes, it's got a lot of upgrades that make it superior, but stripping it of its gore is like taking the explosions out of Ratchet and Clank.

The orignal Ninja Gaiden did not have excessive over the top blood featured in NG 2. So it is pointless to say you are a fan of NG because of its excessive blood when the originals plus Black and Sigma did not have over the top blood.

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#38 Stoner-Pimp
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Ahh, that explains it i guess, i was just replying as i've seen loads of posts (not just here) stating it has no blood at all on the PS3 version, i like how it is on Sigma2 BUT i have no basis for comparision as i've not played the 360 version so all is good for me :D (at least with the less blood we get sixaxis wobbly bits though :D).
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#39 boyinfridge
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I was sad enough to play the same level side by side on the PS3 and 360 to see the differences and really they are minor its still a great game made slightly with loads more options, but when it comes to the gore there has been major reductions on the PS3's part and there were all so less enemies on the PS3 as well when you cut off a ninjas body part the stump is just a muddy black colour and I dont know if it was just me but a few moves didnt seem to happen on the PS3 like slamming your sword down on a ninja lying on the ground to cut his head off. I missed that one.

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#40 Some-Mist
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[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"]

your using a forum post to back up the claim?

killab2oo5

LOL

If he was serious that'd make it even funnier

:| It's a post of comparison videos. What more proof do you need?

EDIT: I'm currently going through NG2 again, and have noticed only 1 place where the framerate drops noticeably (Chapter 2). After the patches it's been smooth sailing...though I haven't got to the "Stairs of Doom!" yet.

I dunno, something just doesn't sound right when comparing a demo to a full game -_-

maybe I'm just wrong.

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#41 DeadMagazines
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NINJA GAIDEN 2 & SIGMA DEMO GAME PLAY

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Demos are samples of finished products. Betas result in slight modifications for released product. ..so..you learned something.
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#42 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="Nero_Paladin"]

NINJA GAIDEN 2 & SIGMA DEMO GAME PLAY

DeadMagazines
Demos are samples of finished products. Betas result in slight modifications for released product. ..so..you learned something.

lol, im sure he knew that lol, he just needed an excuse for DC :P
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http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1336909&postcount=590 fanboymaycry

Ok, so slightly more tearing and the Average FPS is 1 less.

However, NGS2 does looks better than NG2.
If they looked exactly the same the PS3 would probably have the better performance.

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#44 killab2oo5
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I dunno, something just doesn't sound right when comparing a demo to a full game -_-

maybe I'm just wrong.

Some-Mist

They're usually a very accurate representation of the final product. I can't think of any time where the 2 differed...on consoles anyway.

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#45 Mystery_Writer
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[QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"][QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

lower performance + no blood?ps3 fans won't like this thread..

my crystal ball reads imminent boycott in the future of Tecmo :P

This is what i don't understand, you say no blood, i played the demo last night and when playing the girl section (anna i think) there was blood all over the place, i was able to take legs off and cut people in half etc, so how come people are saying there is no blood at all?. --- Also i think i noticed tearing 1 or twice in around 10 playthroughs so it's not that much of an issue (well i guess it is here it is SW after all :D), and with regards to jaggys, i play on a 1080p setup so i get it upscaled from 720p BUT i didn't really notice any (maybe it's because the gameplay is quite fast and intence), infact i thought it looked quite smooth (and the motion control bit is just LOL).

if there is blood, then it seems more of a performance issue than ESRB. They're barely maintaining 58 FPS (with lots of tearing).. so they might dropped the excessive blood in order not to have the performance dip any further.
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#46 Nero_Paladin
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[QUOTE="Nero_Paladin"]

NINJA GAIDEN 2 & SIGMA DEMO GAME PLAY

DeadMagazines

Demos are samples of finished products. Betas result in slight modifications for released product. ..so..you learned something.

So what your saying is that every demo that's ever been released has looked as exactly like the finished product?

Update: and performed just as well.

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#47 2mrw
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i played the DEMO and i noticed some issues, slowdowns being one of them, i didn't expect that, if it was the final build, i would be very disappointed, ohhh, wait, it's not the final build, it's a DEMO.
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#48 I_Helios_I
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Have you actually seen the difference yourself? Wait until digital foundry does a comparison before coming to conclusions. I've played through Ninja Gaiden 2 recently, and the PS3 version (demo) has a better contrast level with some higher res textures. Granted I did notice some screen tearing in the demo but it was only when there were more then 4-5 enemies on screen. The performance in Ninja Gaiden on 360 wasn't anything to write home about though as there were some odd graphical bugs and horrible camera issues, which I've seen none of in Sigma 2 as of yet.

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#49 killzone_rocks
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i play Sigma 2 demo and it have even less enemies on screen than NG2. the enemy amount is cut down to 2 to 4 at a time onscreen in Sigma 2, while there is 7 to 9 enemies on screen at one time in NG2. on top of that, Sigma 2 still have less blood and no bodyparts flying around. im angry, but i still say sigma 2 is better becuase its in PS3 and not crapbox 360.

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#50 bad_fur_day
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So lets see, it's censored, has purple blood, less frames per second, more jaggies, more frame tearing, less enemies on screen, cut executions and dismemberment, but added sub-standard hot chick missions, tacked on co-op for a single player game...

Yeah this is way better that Itagaki's master ninja original.

But it has better contast ratio... c'mon Lol, what a joke. Your TV has this thing called a contrast and sharpness button...