You didn't have to be rude with the pic. But thank you for the answer.
The replacement RAM is supposedly faster so it means nothing for older games that used ESRAM. Most likely a virtual partition will be used. As for it running PC games.
Rude? Thats my "I doh know" gif.
You didn't have to be rude with the pic. But thank you for the answer.
The replacement RAM is supposedly faster so it means nothing for older games that used ESRAM. Most likely a virtual partition will be used. As for it running PC games.
Rude? Thats my "I doh know" gif.
Looks like she's saying "duuuhh" lool
Microsoft at E3 2016: We are releasing a 6TF machine
Digital Foundry 01/24/2017: Microsoft is releasing a 6TF machine
Sony Fans: Bahahahahaha....you Xbox fans are getting a 6TF machine
Xbox Fans: We are getting a 6TF machine
Sony Fans:
Wasn't it you that made the 8TF thread? lol
It sure was that clown lol
People care more about specifications than playing games; a sad reality of the entire generation.
@commander: I have previously linked it in another Scorpio thread. Really do not feel like searching for it at the moment. It was also posted on NeoGaf.
Essentially the CEO stated look for Ryzen semicustom solutions past 2017 and into 2018. Xbox would be a semicustom solution.
People state that the Scorpio was at the AMD New horizon booth, but that is for Ryzen and Vega. Supposedly PS4 Pro was also mentioned at the booth to a degree.
It's Polaris GPU has some Vega features from what I understand.
He could be talking about laptop/desktop configuration, it wouldn't be the first time a console is packing tech that's not officially released yet.
When I look up new horizon, it's mostly about ryzen, and ryzen is about the new cpu architecture, not about gpu archictectures called vega and polaris
it's of course debatable and the comment from microsoft about circumventing cpu bottlenecks could mean it's using jaguar cores. But that comment is from e3 2016, ms could have changed plans or even use this technique to keep resources available for the gpu (to run games at native 4k for instance)
It's speculation on both sides, but your remark about keeping us in the dark does worry me a bit though (I'm an xbox fan), it's something nintendo has done for the wii u and the switch.
Phil said they are not using Jaguar CPU that is in the PS4 pro you idiots.
Are you talking about this?
http://digiworthy.com/2016/10/10/phil-spencer-xbox-scorpio-not-use-amd-jaguar/
Here's the quote
About two and a half years ago we started to look at a hardware refresh that we might want to do, which in the end led to the Xbox One S and Scorpio in terms of designs. We’d looked at doing something that was higher performance this year, and I’d say the [PS4] Pro is about what we thought–with the GPU, CPU, memory that was here this year–that you could go do, and we decided that we wanted to do something different.
So we looked at Scorpio and 4K and what I thought was a bigger step in terms of performance. It was something that we wanted to focus on.
He wasn't very specific so once again we're speculating off of vague comments and claims. He could have meant bigger ram, faster jaguar faster gpu. Not necessarily different components all together. I mean, isn't the Xbox One using DDR3 and Scorpio using GDDR5? PS4 Pro uses GDDR5 as well but the scorpio will have faster ram and potentially more of it. But it's still GDDR5.
The PS4 Pro has some bottleneck issues from a 4.2 Tflop Gpu so Microsoft can't be stupid enough to think a 6tflop Gpu isn't going to need a more powerful Cpu. They should either Cancel it or Delay it to use Zen.
AMD Athlon X4 845 (two module Excavator with 4 cores/4 threads at 3.5 Ghz base clock and 3.8 Ghz turbo) has better result for Alien Isolation when compared ~30 fps PS4 and XBO. Slightly lower clock speed and 14 nm/16nm FinFET version should reduce it's power consumption.
AMD Athlon X4 845's Carrizo APU was replaced by Bristol Ridge APU which has slight improvements on Excavator CPU core, hence "Excavator v2".
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10705/amd-7th-gen-bristol-ridge-and-am4-analysis-a12-9800-b350-a320-chipset
Bristol Ridge APU has "Excavator v2"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10705/amd-7th-gen-bristol-ridge-and-am4-analysis-a12-9800-b350-a320-chipset/2
Excavator V2 CPU core directly replaces Jaguar CPU core.
FinFET "Excavator" would be it's 3rd Excavator related improvement.
A12-9800E with 4 thread "Excavator V2" at 3100Mhz core with 3800Mhz turbo has 35 watts TDP which includes IGP
Excavator V2 shares the same AM4 based I/O as with RYZEN.
For H1 2017, AMD positions "Excavator V2" as their Atom/Jaguar budget CPU.
For H2 2017, Raven Ridge APU replaces Bristol Ridge APU. It's most likely "Excavator V2" would be AMD's new Atom/Jaguar budget CPU.
AMD Excavator has the same instruction set support as Intel Haswell and AMD RYZEN.
Phil said they are not using Jaguar CPU that is in the PS4 pro you idiots.
Are you talking about this?
http://digiworthy.com/2016/10/10/phil-spencer-xbox-scorpio-not-use-amd-jaguar/
Here's the quote
About two and a half years ago we started to look at a hardware refresh that we might want to do, which in the end led to the Xbox One S and Scorpio in terms of designs. We’d looked at doing something that was higher performance this year, and I’d say the [PS4] Pro is about what we thought–with the GPU, CPU, memory that was here this year–that you could go do, and we decided that we wanted to do something different.
So we looked at Scorpio and 4K and what I thought was a bigger step in terms of performance. It was something that we wanted to focus on.
He wasn't very specific so once again we're speculating off of vague comments and claims. He could have meant bigger ram, faster jaguar faster gpu. Not necessarily different components all together. I mean, isn't the Xbox One using DDR3 and Scorpio using GDDR5? PS4 Pro uses GDDR5 as well but the scorpio will have faster ram and potentially more of it. But it's still GDDR5.
The PS4 Pro has some bottleneck issues from a 4.2 Tflop Gpu so Microsoft can't be stupid enough to think a 6tflop Gpu isn't going to need a more powerful Cpu. They should either Cancel it or Delay it to use Zen.
AMD Athlon X4 845 (two module Excavator with 4 cores/4 threads at 3.5 Ghz base clock and 3.8 Ghz turbo) has better result for Alien Isolation when compared ~30 fps PS4 and XBO. Slightly lower clock speed and 14 nm/16nm FinFET version should reduce it's power consumption.
you could actually start mentioning what you mean with the stuff you post. We're not mindreaders.
Are you talking about this?
http://digiworthy.com/2016/10/10/phil-spencer-xbox-scorpio-not-use-amd-jaguar/
Here's the quote
About two and a half years ago we started to look at a hardware refresh that we might want to do, which in the end led to the Xbox One S and Scorpio in terms of designs. We’d looked at doing something that was higher performance this year, and I’d say the [PS4] Pro is about what we thought–with the GPU, CPU, memory that was here this year–that you could go do, and we decided that we wanted to do something different.
So we looked at Scorpio and 4K and what I thought was a bigger step in terms of performance. It was something that we wanted to focus on.
He wasn't very specific so once again we're speculating off of vague comments and claims. He could have meant bigger ram, faster jaguar faster gpu. Not necessarily different components all together. I mean, isn't the Xbox One using DDR3 and Scorpio using GDDR5? PS4 Pro uses GDDR5 as well but the scorpio will have faster ram and potentially more of it. But it's still GDDR5.
The PS4 Pro has some bottleneck issues from a 4.2 Tflop Gpu so Microsoft can't be stupid enough to think a 6tflop Gpu isn't going to need a more powerful Cpu. They should either Cancel it or Delay it to use Zen.
AMD Athlon X4 845 (two module Excavator with 4 cores/4 threads at 3.5 Ghz base clock and 3.8 Ghz turbo) has better result for Alien Isolation when compared ~30 fps PS4 and XBO. Slightly lower clock speed and 14 nm/16nm FinFET version should reduce it's power consumption.
you could actually start mentioning what you mean with the stuff you post. We're not mindreaders.
My point, quad core/4 thread Excavator at ~3Ghz is good enough for MSI R9-290X OC edition with 1020 Mhz clock speed which yields 5.744 TFLOPS.
For DX11, AMD drivers has single thread rendering.
@Shewgenja: Did you read and understand the article no of course not. This is what I have come to expect from you. Anyway the scorpio is more powerful than the ps4 pro deal with it. In other news water is wet and the sky is blue.
That was never ever a point of contention even once. Ya'll were the ones saying that the Scorpio was going to be a true 4k console. Every single one of you think you're going to take pot shots at an argument that was never made. Face it, from now on, ya'll have to act realistic about this thing rather than putting it up on a pedestal of impossible proportions.
I won. I have been one of only a hand-full of posters saying that 6 TFlops would not do the trick or put your console impossibly beyond what the PS4 Pro does. You're going to have to learn to deal with that. This isn't 1080p vs 900p all over again. It will be a consistently sub-4k system versus a slightly less consistently 4k system and as the generation unfolds and PC cards get more powerfful the difference will only shrink.
You better hope MS has games lined up for this. The power difference, in terms of what is needed for 4k gaming, isn't going to be swinging any heads. My one and only reason for posting this thread was to put an end to the bullshitting and in those terms, it is an overwhelming success. The best part being that XBox One and S-Model owners will be getting completely effed over with this upgrade if the Scorpio proves to be the more popular model since developers will not sweat bullets to make the ESRam work for them. Doubly so, considering the tiled rendering and other sub-4k native techniques with the game engine are better assurances for what will certainly be the least popular model if PS4 Pro sales are anything to judge the prospects of Scorpio by.
Checkmate. Yes, I do understand what the article is saying. DO YOU? Your precious Scorpio is not too tall for the Gen 8 ride. Sorry not sorry.
Digital Foundry did a little bit(alot) of word play with this article. The mention of Checker Board Rendering was for developers who did not want to devote all of the compute power to rendering in 4k. They reiterated the fact that they will not put a resolution minimum on developers and they go on to list techniques for developers that want to use the compute for different graphic effects. Forza was already mentioned to be running at 4k on Scorpio. This white paper is actually old, and it is strange for them to write an article about it at this time. The idea that it will primarly use checker board and that it is only a up clocked CPU is pure speculation on the part of DF.
https://www.vg247.com/2016/09/19/microsofts-project-scorpio-will-run-first-party-games-at-native-4k/
In an interview with USA Today, Shannon Loftis, Microsoft Studios Publishing general manager, confirmed that the company’s first-party titles made for the Xbox One Project Scorpio will run at native 4K.
“Any games we’re making that we’re launching in the Scorpio time frame, we’re making sure they can natively render at 4K,” she said.
Microsoft’s Project Scorpio will run first-party games at native 4K
Scorpio's estimate from R9-390X results with MS's first party games. For Forza 6 Apex, R9-290X's result is below the expected R9-390X's results
Killer Instinct Season 2 XBO edition has 1600x900p resolution.
The graphics details from the above benchmarks are higher than XBO's graphics detail settings.
Checkerboard rendering will be required if the programmer decides to increase per pixel shader operation. All GPUs has finite compute and memory bandwidth resources.
http://www.wired.com/2016/06/xbox-vr-scorpio-phil-spencer/
Spencer says, developers are usually building a PC version of any given game alongside the Xbox version—and increasingly, that means a 4K version. “When we started looking at Scorpio,” he says, “we asked the partners, ‘in order to build a true high-fidelity 4K game, what capabilities do you need?’ That’s what we designed Scorpio around. It’s kind of like a [GeForce GTX] 980 card on the PC. I get the capability that I need as a developer to deliver a high-fidelity 4K game. ”
http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/06/amd-radeon-4k-benchmark-r300-series-100591962-orig.png
Log in to comment