MS Misleading on 360 GTA 4 sales?

http://www.n4g.com/News-142954.aspx

(if posted before please forgivve me.)

Apparently, atleast from what this site says, the 360 numbers for GTA 4 that MS gave out (if you dont remember they said they were outselling PS3 2 to 1 for GTA 4) were actually incorrect. IT appears that the PS3 version is actually outselling the 360 version per Console. I guess that 2 to 1 thing wasnt quit accurate. Still, both sold well and R* has more money than god right now.

very interesting, wonder where all teh 360 fanboys are, and their game attachment ratio crap.

very interesting, wonder where all teh 360 fanboys are, and their game attachment ratio crap.

Lo_Rising

There probaly staying away from this thread like the AIDS or something.

yeah this article is from some guys blog ParadiddleFill

So that means automaticaly its untrue? I hope your not Damage Controlling.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]yeah this article is from some guys blog black_awpN1

So that means automaticaly its untrue? I hope your not Damage Controlling.

he has nothing to prove its true, soyes its pretty much fake

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]yeah this article is from some guys blog black_awpN1

So that means automaticaly its untrue? I hope your not Damage Controlling.

but even if it is true, who cares about sales per console. now THAT is damage controlling.

well i dont care about the extra content on gta coming to the 360 (otherwise id buy the 360 version) but how could rockstar be ok with not having it on both systems, they will miss out on extra cash. i bet they have something up their sleeves for ps3 ownersriver_rat3117

Actually, from what I keep Reading in POM ( Playstation teh Offical Magazine) THey kept on Hinting of some kind of DLC in their Review and their PReviews of GTA 4. THey say stuff in the review like "the multiplayer should keep you entertained until DLC comes." and other stuff like taht.

http://www.n4g.com/News-142954.aspx

(if posted before please forgivve me.)

Apparently, atleast from what this site says, the 360 numbers for GTA 4 that MS gave out (if you dont remember they said they were outselling PS3 2 to 1 for GTA 4) were actually incorrect. IT appears that the PS3 version is actually outselling the 360 version per Console. I guess that 2 to 1 thing wasnt quit accurate. Still, both sold well and R* has more money than god right now.

black_awpN1

Okay, I'm not fan of MS, and I'll probably never buy 360, but I have to say, that's not misleading in the least.

MS is talking pure numerics. This guy is talking attached rate. These are two different numbers, and like last generation, attached rate, while nice, doesn't beat pure numeric sales.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]yeah this article is from some guys blog black_awpN1

So that means automaticaly its untrue? I hope your not Damage Controlling.

well lets see this guy has no factual evidence to back up his claim just some zany mathematical hypothesis, and why would i be in Damage control? i dont work for microsoft i dont own any market shares i could care less what console gta4 sells better on

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]yeah this article is from some guys blog black_awpN1

So that means automaticaly its untrue? I hope your not Damage Controlling.

O_O Yeah, uhhh, I can post in my blog "The Wii causes cancer" so blogs aren't exactly extremely reliable.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]yeah this article is from some guys blog black_awpN1

So that means automaticaly its untrue? I hope your not Damage Controlling.

Let's not through out the "damage control" phrase just yet. I always find it amusing people use blogs to support their views but discredit them when they disagree. I think all blogs should be taken with a grain of salt. Also the phrase "more sold per console" seems odd.

http://www.n4g.com/News-142954.aspx

(if posted before please forgivve me.)

Apparently, atleast from what this site says, the 360 numbers for GTA 4 that MS gave out (if you dont remember they said they were outselling PS3 2 to 1 for GTA 4) were actually incorrect. IT appears that the PS3 version is actually outselling the 360 version per Console. I guess that 2 to 1 thing wasnt quit accurate. Still, both sold well and R* has more money than god right now.

black_awpN1

Sales per consloe =/= Sales

and ill wait for NPD or some other reliable sales source, and if GTA 4 360 sales did better in UK than ps3. I highly doubt ps3 sales will be higher overall.

It would explain why alot of retailers ran out of stock for the PS3 version before the 360 version, although that could just be down to less PS3 copies being made because of larger 360 fanbase. It might also explain why the PS3 version seems to be having more problems with online that the 360 one (If anyone is going to criticize me and tell me that it's because PSN is terrible then let me tell you in advance that PSN works just fine for any game online).ONLYDOD

I've havent had any problem gettin on like

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]It would explain why alot of retailers ran out of stock for the PS3 version before the 360 version, although that could just be down to less PS3 copies being made because of larger 360 fanbase. It might also explain why the PS3 version seems to be having more problems with online that the 360 one (If anyone is going to criticize me and tell me that it's because PSN is terrible then let me tell you in advance that PSN works just fine for any game online).CubanBlunt

I've havent had any problem gettin on like

There must have been some issues because R* just released an online patch for the PS3. Doesn't address the SP freezing but according to R* it fixes the online issues.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

[QUOTE="ONLYDOD"]It would explain why alot of retailers ran out of stock for the PS3 version before the 360 version, although that could just be down to less PS3 copies being made because of larger 360 fanbase. It might also explain why the PS3 version seems to be having more problems with online that the 360 one (If anyone is going to criticize me and tell me that it's because PSN is terrible then let me tell you in advance that PSN works just fine for any game online).dhjohns

I've havent had any problem gettin on like

There must have been some issues because R* just released an online patch for the PS3. Doesn't address the SP freezing but according to R* it fixes the online issues.

When did they release a Patch? Today?

When did they release a Patch? Today?

black_awpN1

Yep. Kotaku has all of the details.

Who cares, it was supposed to sell alot more on PS3, not match the 360 or barely pass it according to people and gaming sites. Either way, you're both probably wrong.Pro_wrestler

Now here you go. For week all we heard was "GTA4 for the 360 gonna sell more because of the DLC" and "More people have the 360 so GTA4 on the 360 will sell more".....now whats next?

Here's an interesting response found about the article

PS3 version of GTA IV IS in some cases Completley Unplayable and Online multi-player is also Broken for half the people...

there is a 400+ page thread on PS Forum which sony closed in shame without any official response...

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=gta&thread.id=370613

its a journalist's job to report on this fiasco instead of defending Sony

Gee I wonder why Sony has to cover this up? Then again, just remember, only MS does this...

This is attach rate and not sales, but either way MS is lying there is no way GTA sold 2 to 1 on X360.

That was a flat out lie and a desperate attempt to sell more X360 consoles by acting pretending they are the big dog.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]Who cares, it was supposed to sell alot more on PS3, not match the 360 or barely pass it according to people and gaming sites. Either way, you're both probably wrong.CubanBlunt

Now here you go. For week all we heard was "GTA4 for the 360 gonna sell more because of the DLC" and "More people have the 360 so GTA4 on the 360 will sell more".....now whats next?

I think he is talking about the 3-5 cows that claim ridiculous stuff and now one likes to claim them as part as their own group. Kind of like how lemmings disowned Saolin.

Here's an interesting response found about the article

PS3 version of GTA IV IS in some cases Completley Unplayable and Online multi-player is also Broken for half the people...

there is a 400+ page thread on PS Forum which sony closed in shame without any official response...

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=gta&thread.id=370613

its a journalist's job to report on this fiasco instead of defending Sony

Gee I wonder why Sony has to cover this up? Then again, just remember, only MS does this...

DXGreat1_HGL

Ive been playing the PS3 version for about 20 hours now and I experinced no Such Problems. No Freeze ups, no FPS Dips. I actually own both Versions of GTA 4. ( i had a Gift card) and while both run jsut fine, I found the PS3 version to run a bit smoother.

http://play.tm/story/17949

So much for the PS3 version being better R* should have just skipped the PS3 version and worked on the 360 version 1st...

http://www.n4g.com/News-142954.aspx

(if posted before please forgivve me.)

Apparently, atleast from what this site says, the 360 numbers for GTA 4 that MS gave out (if you dont remember they said they were outselling PS3 2 to 1 for GTA 4) were actually incorrect. IT appears that the PS3 version is actually outselling the 360 version per Console. I guess that 2 to 1 thing wasnt quit accurate. Still, both sold well and R* has more money than god right now.

black_awpN1

First off, I am fairly certain MS ws talking about NA. And, in Europe, aren't there MORE PS3's sold than 360s according to Sony? So how does that "per console" ratio work when there are 20% more 360 copies of GTA4 sold than PS3 copies, when more PS3s are sold.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Here's an interesting response found about the article

PS3 version of GTA IV IS in some cases Completley Unplayable and Online multi-player is also Broken for half the people...

there is a 400+ page thread on PS Forum which sony closed in shame without any official response...

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=gta&thread.id=370613

its a journalist's job to report on this fiasco instead of defending Sony

Gee I wonder why Sony has to cover this up? Then again, just remember, only MS does this...

black_awpN1

Ive been playing the PS3 version for about 20 hours now and I experinced no Such Problems. No Freeze ups, no FPS Dips. I actually own both Versions of GTA 4. ( i had a Gift card) and while both run jsut fine, I found the PS3 version to run a bit smoother.

Yes and you represent EVERY PS 3 owner, right?

http://play.tm/story/17949

So much for the PS3 version being better R* should have just skipped the PS3 version and worked on the 360 version 1st...

DXGreat1_HGL

Im sorry but Reviewers > This site.

Reviewers say it runs a bit better on PS3. Both Run fine, please stop.

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Here's an interesting response found about the article

PS3 version of GTA IV IS in some cases Completley Unplayable and Online multi-player is also Broken for half the people...

there is a 400+ page thread on PS Forum which sony closed in shame without any official response...

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=gta&thread.id=370613

its a journalist's job to report on this fiasco instead of defending Sony

Gee I wonder why Sony has to cover this up? Then again, just remember, only MS does this...

DXGreat1_HGL

Ive been playing the PS3 version for about 20 hours now and I experinced no Such Problems. No Freeze ups, no FPS Dips. I actually own both Versions of GTA 4. ( i had a Gift card) and while both run jsut fine, I found the PS3 version to run a bit smoother.

Yes and you represent EVERY PS 3 owner, right?

Every PS3 owener isnt experincing this problem. Your jsut jumping on a chance to bash PS3.

http://www.n4g.com/News-142954.aspx

(if posted before please forgivve me.)

Apparently, atleast from what this site says, the 360 numbers for GTA 4 that MS gave out (if you dont remember they said they were outselling PS3 2 to 1 for GTA 4) were actually incorrect. IT appears that the PS3 version is actually outselling the 360 version per Console. I guess that 2 to 1 thing wasnt quit accurate. Still, both sold well and R* has more money than god right now.

black_awpN1

Uhmmm...I read the article and it doesn't even come close to what you are saying.

1) The MS press release only applies to the UK. Not world wide sales.

2) The press release says that the 360 version sold 20% more than the PS3 version...not 2 to 1.

3) The so-called "rebuttal" points out what any SW person would also mention...that if you do the math, the 360 has double the consoles out but only sold 20% more. That means a higher percentage of PS3 users bought the game.

I'm a PS3 owner and fan who has GTA4 on PS3...and this thread, and the associated article, is more misleading than anything MS is doing.

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]

http://www.n4g.com/News-142954.aspx

(if posted before please forgivve me.)

Apparently, atleast from what this site says, the 360 numbers for GTA 4 that MS gave out (if you dont remember they said they were outselling PS3 2 to 1 for GTA 4) were actually incorrect. IT appears that the PS3 version is actually outselling the 360 version per Console. I guess that 2 to 1 thing wasnt quit accurate. Still, both sold well and R* has more money than god right now.

dabear

First off, I am fairly certain MS ws talking about NA. And, in Europe, aren't there MORE PS3's sold than 360s according to Sony? So how does that "per console" ratio work when there are 20% more 360 copies of GTA4 sold than PS3 copies, when more PS3s are sold.

Europe is not te same as the UK. MS has more consoles than Son in the UK...which is one part of Europe. Whenyou look at all the countries/regions that make up Europe, the PS3 has already sold more than the 360.

To say that the UK and Europe are the same is like saying the PS2 didn't outsell the Xbox in NA because the Xbox sold more in Texas.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

http://play.tm/story/17949

So much for the PS3 version being better R* should have just skipped the PS3 version and worked on the 360 version 1st...

black_awpN1

Im sorry but Reviewers > This site.

Reviewers say it runs a bit better on PS3. Both Run fine, please stop.

Yes because that site is only reliable when they place the 360 in a negative light. The fact is, if there were no problems R* wouldn't have needed to create a patch.

Every PS3 owener isnt experincing this problem. Your jsut jumping on a chance to bash PS3.

black_awpN1

I bought a PS3 last weekend just to play GTA4 (and because I'm a longtime PS fan). I had freezing problems on day 1. It was freezing as soon as I got the the third mission in the game.

However, I have done the "fix" that was suggested and I haven't had a single problem since.

Would be nice if they could get the online to work better though.

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

http://play.tm/story/17949

So much for the PS3 version being better R* should have just skipped the PS3 version and worked on the 360 version 1st...

DXGreat1_HGL

Im sorry but Reviewers > This site.

Reviewers say it runs a bit better on PS3. Both Run fine, please stop.

Yes because that site is only reliable when they place the 360 in a negative light. The fact is, if there were no problems R* wouldn't have needed to create a patch.

and I suppsoe if they were putting the PS3 in a Negative Light, you would be claiming they were Creadible, but if they were depicting the 360 in a Negative Light, you would be saying they were Biased. (it works both ways pal.)

Total sales and sales per console are 2 different things. Just because the Gta 4 has a higher attatch rate on the PS3 does not mean it sold the most on the PS3. waynehead895

higher attatch rate dose equal sold the most, it gose hand and hand

[QUOTE="river_rat3117"]well i dont care about the extra content on gta coming to the 360 (otherwise id buy the 360 version) but how could rockstar be ok with not having it on both systems, they will miss out on extra cash. i bet they have something up their sleeves for ps3 ownersblack_awpN1

Actually, from what I keep Reading in POM ( Playstation teh Offical Magazine) THey kept on Hinting of some kind of DLC in their Review and their PReviews of GTA 4. THey say stuff in the review like "the multiplayer should keep you entertained until DLC comes." and other stuff like taht.

They had RockStar developers on XM radio just before the release and they said that as of now there will be no DLC on PS3. I think it is dumb of them to lose all the xtra money but that was right from there developers.

Yes because that site is only reliable when they place the 360 in a negative light. The fact is, if there were no problems R* wouldn't have needed to create a patch.

DXGreat1_HGL

Err..that's an advantage for the Ps3, as the X360 also have problems and hasn't bee patched yet...

And don't say

'but i didn't suffer it'

Some people did.

According to MS, data released by ELSPA/Chart-Track shows Xbox 360 Week One sales at 514,000 copies sold in the UK. The PS3 version of the game sold 413,000 copies, "clearly demonstrating that gamers prefer the Xbox 360 version" says the release.

Well...congratulations. You won UK, mini-US with a much higher X360 install rate by..how much?

and I suppsoe if they were putting the PS3 in a Negative Light, you would be claiming they were Creadible, but if they were depicting the 360 in a Negative Light, you would be saying they were Biased. (it works both ways pal.)

black_awpN1

You obviously didn't read the line in my article that the 360 version has also encountered a few crashes. Your logic fails, just like your OP. The PS3 version has more issues because they had to release a patch to fix them. If not, why isn't there a 360 patch?

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Yes because that site is only reliable when they place the 360 in a negative light. The fact is, if there were no problems R* wouldn't have needed to create a patch.

thrones

Err..that's an advantage for the Ps3, as the X360 also have problems and hasn't bee patched yet...

And don't say

'but i didn't suffer it'

Some people did.

According to MS, data released by ELSPA/Chart-Track shows Xbox 360 Week One sales at 514,000 copies sold in the UK. The PS3 version of the game sold 413,000 copies, "clearly demonstrating that gamers prefer the Xbox 360 version" says the release.

Well...congratulations. You won UK, mini-US with a much higher X360 install rate by..how much?

the only thing that has been patched up is the online not the single player, the 360 version has much less freezing problems

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

http://play.tm/story/17949

So much for the PS3 version being better R* should have just skipped the PS3 version and worked on the 360 version 1st...

black_awpN1

Im sorry but Reviewers > This site.

Reviewers say it runs a bit better on PS3. Both Run fine, please stop.

You're right, it does run better on the PS3 because it is at a lower resolution with no AA. Bravo.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Yes because that site is only reliable when they place the 360 in a negative light. The fact is, if there were no problems R* wouldn't have needed to create a patch.

thrones

Err..that's an advantage for the Ps3, as the X360 also have problems and hasn't bee patched yet...

And don't say

'but i didn't suffer it'

Some people did.

According to MS, data released by ELSPA/Chart-Track shows Xbox 360 Week One sales at 514,000 copies sold in the UK. The PS3 version of the game sold 413,000 copies, "clearly demonstrating that gamers prefer the Xbox 360 version" says the release.

Well...congratulations. You won UK, mini-US with a much higher X360 install rate by..how much?

Actually it proves that the PS3 version had more crashes . I've encountered 1 bug so far. At least I can admit, as opposed to pretend it never happened....