MS closing down Lionhead and shoving Fable away like a worthless IP makes no sense.

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#1 lifelessablaze
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These games have sold very well for exclusives:

Fable:TLC = 3.2m
Fable II = 4.7m
Fable III= 5.1m

First 2 Fable games were great and the 3rd, while a drop off in quality, was still a fun experience. The Fable games have always had its own unique charm and the worlds were filled with interesting interactions with all sorts of different characters and personalities. The first Fable was a let down to many people based on blatant lies by Peter Molyneux but if you got over that and looked past it, it was a brilliant game in its own right. The Fable series is a beloved IP and deserves far more respect by MS. Anyway, it doesn't matter if MS decides to bring it back, because it won't have that same Lionhead magic...it won't have what people loved so much about these games.

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#2 Syn_Valence
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Cause Microsoft doesn't like content.

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#3  Edited By snapcrackleNpop
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yeah it sucks when MS doesn't have a game yet to fill that space ... Although that is what people said about gears of war 4 and it turned out pretty awesome for me ... they own the IP and left open a possibly for it to be developed in someones care ... its not this game make or break thing like no more halo or something ... phils job now is to make sure we have something other then halo forza gears for its next gen console

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#4 lifelessablaze
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@Syn_Valence said:

Cause Microsoft doesn't like content.

MS game studios is a joke now and I blame it on the dudebro schmuck who was supposed to be our savior...Phil.

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Sales aren't everything. I'm willing to bet making this franchise has been nothing short of a nightmare with the level of ambitions cut down to unfortunately realistic expectations. The pre-production alone must have made those first 3 a real headache.

Also the Fable games were never good ever who wants to fight me?

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#6 Black96Z
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Whats the reason they are closing it?

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@Vaasman said:

Sales aren't everything. I'm willing to bet making this franchise has been nothing short of a nightmare with the level of ambitions cut down to unfortunately realistic expectations. The pre-production alone must have made those first 3 a real headache.

Also the Fable games were never good ever who wants to fight me?

Heh, you really want me to beat you up in front of your mom?

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I believe MS has already heard that a lot of people want a Fable 4, and who knows it might even be better than 1-3.

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MS first party this gen is a joke.

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Well for one thing, Lionhead wanted to go dark witcher style on the next Fable game and Lionhead knew everyone wanted Fable 4 from the start but nope, MS rejected there idea and wanted a MP game thus, MS shutting down Lionhead.

@Syn_Valence said:

Cause Microsoft doesn't like content.

Microsoft hates releasing guaranteed masterpieces.

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@lifelessablaze: Fable 3 released in 2010 and MS announced the studio closure in 2016. If you're confused as to why the studio closed, perhaps you should look at what the studio produced in that time and the personnel changes that occurred.

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#12 Celsius765
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Pity had I bought an X1 I would have bout Fable Legends or whatever it was called

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I have a feeling it'll come back eventually.

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Did we go back in time? They closed lionhead over a year ago, and there hasn't been a proper Fable game since 2010

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#15 lifelessablaze
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@drlostrib said:

Did we go back in time? They closed lionhead over a year ago, and there hasn't been a proper Fable game since 2010

Did we go back in time? That icon is from a game during the 16 bit era

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#16 daredevils2k
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I thought this was old news, but either way MS really F*(3ed up Lionhead studios. Lion made one of my favorite games last gen (Fable 2). MS really knows how to destroy studios

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@lifelessablaze said:
@drlostrib said:

Did we go back in time? They closed lionhead over a year ago, and there hasn't been a proper Fable game since 2010

Did we go back in time? That icon is from a game during the 16 bit era

...your avatar is from a 1938 cartoon

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#19 lifelessablaze
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@drlostrib said:
@lifelessablaze said:
@drlostrib said:

Did we go back in time? They closed lionhead over a year ago, and there hasn't been a proper Fable game since 2010

Did we go back in time? That icon is from a game during the 16 bit era

...your avatar is from a 1938 cartoon

You're the one who's making a case about relevancy you dope.

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#20 DrLostRib
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@lifelessablaze said:
@drlostrib said:
@lifelessablaze said:
@drlostrib said:

Did we go back in time? They closed lionhead over a year ago, and there hasn't been a proper Fable game since 2010

Did we go back in time? That icon is from a game during the 16 bit era

...your avatar is from a 1938 cartoon

You're the one who's making a case about relevancy you dope.

I don't see what my avatar had to do with anything

Or why you're bringing up lionhead now?

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#21 lifelessablaze
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@drlostrib said:
@lifelessablaze said:
@drlostrib said:
@lifelessablaze said:
@drlostrib said:

Did we go back in time? They closed lionhead over a year ago, and there hasn't been a proper Fable game since 2010

Did we go back in time? That icon is from a game during the 16 bit era

...your avatar is from a 1938 cartoon

You're the one who's making a case about relevancy you dope.

I don't see what my avatar had to do with anything

Or why you're bringing up lionhead now?

Because it's worth discussing since it relates to the horrible direction MS is going in under Phil Spencer...do I gotta spell it out for you?

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#22 DrLostRib
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@lifelessablaze said:
@drlostrib said:

I don't see what my avatar had to do with anything

Or why you're bringing up lionhead now?

Because it's worth discussing since it relates to the horrible direction MS is going in under Phil Spencer...do I gotta spell it out for you?

Why is it worth discussing a studio that's been closed for over a year, and a series that hasn't had a major release in 7 years and whose lead designer left the company?

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#23 lifelessablaze
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@drlostrib said:
@lifelessablaze said:
@drlostrib said:

I don't see what my avatar had to do with anything

Or why you're bringing up lionhead now?

Because it's worth discussing since it relates to the horrible direction MS is going in under Phil Spencer...do I gotta spell it out for you?

Why is it worth discussing a studio that's been closed for over a year, and a series that hasn't had a major release in 7 years and whose lead designer left the company?

Wow, I think you're really this stupid. I'm just gonna avoid discussing anything with you from now on.

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@davillain-: What a shock dacow is bashing MS again. Do you have links or proof to your claims? Or is it just your anti MS idiotic rhetoric as usual?

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#25 lifelessablaze
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@lifelessablaze: Fable 3 released in 2010 and MS announced the studio closure in 2016. If you're confused as to why the studio closed, perhaps you should look at what the studio produced in that time and the personnel changes that occurred.

Heh, then explain the abomination known as Crackdown 3 and why MS didn't put it out of its misery.

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#26 asylumni
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@lifelessablaze said:
@asylumni said:

@lifelessablaze: Fable 3 released in 2010 and MS announced the studio closure in 2016. If you're confused as to why the studio closed, perhaps you should look at what the studio produced in that time and the personnel changes that occurred.

Heh, then explain the abomination known as Crackdown 3 and why MS didn't put it out of its misery.

MS doesn't own the studios involved and still wants to push their cloud assisted gaming and need a proof of concept for other companies to buy in.

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@lifelessablaze: So you bash MS for shutting down a studio who hasn't released a game in 6 years, and their last game (Fable 3) wasn't well received, but you also bash MS for not cancelling a game, and call it an abomination when it hasn't even released yet? Are you serious?

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#28 lifelessablaze
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@primorandomguy said:

@lifelessablaze: So you bash MS for shutting down a studio who hasn't released a game in 6 years, and their last game (Fable 3) wasn't well received, but you also bash MS for not cancelling a game, and call it an abomination when it hasn't even released yet? Are you serious?

Crackdown games were always mediocre that relied on iffy sandbox elements to mask a borderline non-existent of a story and outdated gameplay mechanics. Crackdown 3's graphics looks like it belongs in the bottom tier shovelware games you'd see from LAST GEN let alone current gen. Not sure how anyone can even show a tiny bit interest in this game. I'm genuinely shocked that it's generated hype...I want to know who is actively hyping this game who isn't getting paid for it.

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#29 Primorandomguy
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@lifelessablaze: Fable 3 was mediocre. Lionhead was going no where. And also...

"Power doesn't matter!!!" Then....

"Yuck those graphics look so last gen!"

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#30 mems_1224
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The Fable games were middling at best. You people are dumb

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#31 lamprey263
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I'm not disappoined, it's hardly a unique series in any respect from its setting, style, gameplay, mechanics. My Fable void can be filled by just about any half decent generic fantasy adventure on the market.

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#32 DrLostRib
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@lifelessablaze said:
@drlostrib said:
@lifelessablaze said:

Because it's worth discussing since it relates to the horrible direction MS is going in under Phil Spencer...do I gotta spell it out for you?

Why is it worth discussing a studio that's been closed for over a year, and a series that hasn't had a major release in 7 years and whose lead designer left the company?

Wow, I think you're really this stupid. I'm just gonna avoid discussing anything with you from now on.

In other words, you got nothing and you're just trolling

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#33 Shantmaster_K
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Ya, I don't really understand it either. Fable was a staple in the Xbox community. I can't see them letting that go in the future.

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#34 MonsieurX
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@drlostrib said:
@lifelessablaze said:
@drlostrib said:
@lifelessablaze said:

Because it's worth discussing since it relates to the horrible direction MS is going in under Phil Spencer...do I gotta spell it out for you?

Why is it worth discussing a studio that's been closed for over a year, and a series that hasn't had a major release in 7 years and whose lead designer left the company?

Wow, I think you're really this stupid. I'm just gonna avoid discussing anything with you from now on.

In other words, you got nothing and you're just trolling

Are you really surprised?

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@primorandomguy said:

@davillain-: What a shock dacow is bashing MS again. Do you have links or proof to your claims? Or is it just your anti MS idiotic rhetoric as usual?

On the whole Fable 4 situation? Sure: Fable 4, the game was never meant to be and from the ways it was going, Lionhead really wanted to go all witchery style (AKA Witcher 3 style that is) and I like Lionhead ideas way more then MS Fable Legend offering.

(Also, if you want to read further details on Lionhead's part, this Article is very long read)

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Fable sucks.

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#37 lundy86_4
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Fable was largely meh, and this is is just old news.

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#38  Edited By waahahah
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@lifelessablaze said:

Because it's worth discussing since it relates to the horrible direction MS is going in under Phil Spencer...do I gotta spell it out for you?

I don't think closing lionhead is really part of phil's plan. MS is doing MUCH better under phil but they never had a good first party walking into this gen and with Molyneux leaving lion head I imagine the studio became a husk and was shutdown because they hadn't delivered a game in 6 years.

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#40 Primorandomguy
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@metalslimenite: Well yeah. MS, Sony, and Nintendo all have or had bad 1st party franchises.

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#42 Primorandomguy
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@metalslimenite: Yep MS needs to step it up in that regard. Unfortunately Crackdown 3, and Sea of Thieves don't look great.

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@davillain- said:
@primorandomguy said:

@davillain-: What a shock dacow is bashing MS again. Do you have links or proof to your claims? Or is it just your anti MS idiotic rhetoric as usual?

On the whole Fable 4 situation? Sure: Fable 4, the game was never meant to be and from the ways it was going, Lionhead really wanted to go all witchery style (AKA Witcher 3 style that is) and I like Lionhead ideas way more then MS Fable Legend offering.

(Also, if you want to read further details on Lionhead's part, this Article is very long read)

Thats a really good read.

The gaming as a service mantra (if real) really suck out the creativeness from the devs.

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@lifelessablaze said:

These games have sold very well for exclusives:

Fable:TLC = 3.2m

Fable II = 4.7m

Fable III= 5.1m

First 2 Fable games were great and the 3rd, while a drop off in quality, was still a fun experience. The Fable games have always had its own unique charm and the worlds were filled with interesting interactions with all sorts of different characters and personalities. The first Fable was a let down to many people based on blatant lies by Peter Molyneux but if you got over that and looked past it, it was a brilliant game in its own right. The Fable series is a beloved IP and deserves far more respect by MS. Anyway, it doesn't matter if MS decides to bring it back, because it won't have that same Lionhead magic...it won't have what people loved so much about these games.

The flaw in your logic is your assumption that MS is necessarily very logical with their decisions. MS's success comes from Windows....and not because Windows is the best OS ever made, but because it has a monopoly on 90% of the market - where compatibility is key. From the various poor decisions MS has made in the past ie. Zune, Bing, Games For Windows, and every alternate Windows flops, you should be well aware of how MS makes their decisions, namely, to make a mistake, then correct that mistake.

The one credit i can give MS is that they do learn from mistakes. But don't expect them to make consecutive wise decisions before making a mistake first

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Did someone just wake up from a coma or something?

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#46 lifelessablaze
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@jhcho2 said:
@lifelessablaze said:

These games have sold very well for exclusives:

Fable:TLC = 3.2m

Fable II = 4.7m

Fable III= 5.1m

First 2 Fable games were great and the 3rd, while a drop off in quality, was still a fun experience. The Fable games have always had its own unique charm and the worlds were filled with interesting interactions with all sorts of different characters and personalities. The first Fable was a let down to many people based on blatant lies by Peter Molyneux but if you got over that and looked past it, it was a brilliant game in its own right. The Fable series is a beloved IP and deserves far more respect by MS. Anyway, it doesn't matter if MS decides to bring it back, because it won't have that same Lionhead magic...it won't have what people loved so much about these games.

The flaw in your logic is your assumption that MS is necessarily very logical with their decisions. MS's success comes from Windows....and not because Windows is the best OS ever made, but because it has a monopoly on 90% of the market - where compatibility is key. From the various poor decisions MS has made in the past ie. Zune, Bing, Games For Windows, and every alternate Windows flops, you should be well aware of how MS makes their decisions, namely, to make a mistake, then correct that mistake.

The one credit i can give MS is that they do learn from mistakes. But don't expect them to make consecutive wise decisions before making a mistake first

Don't talk shit about Bing. It's the best thing ever for porn.

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#47  Edited By EvanTheGamer
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Meanwhile Dead Rising 4 struggling to break 1 million, lol, sad.

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GTA V sucks.

For the first time ever I agree with you, miracles do happen.

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@SUD123456 said:

Did someone just wake up from a coma or something?

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Fable sucks.

Which Fable games did you play? Or you think the whole series sucks?