Mouse and keyboard not suited for FPS

I hear alot of PC users claim that the mouse and keyboard is the ultimate control method for FPS....and I cannot find any substance to this argument at all.

The mouse itself isn't too bad for the looking around and clicking to shoot - but add the keyboard to the mix and the whole thing just goes terribly wrong. I just can't see how anyone can defend the key board as a great way to contol a FPS.

It seems to me to be the most ill suited tool to control movement (and all the other secondary functions) ever?

RTS - yes, mouse and keyboard is perfect and the idea of trying to play RTS usuing a controller, is again, the complete opposite to the above arguemtment - RTS with a controller is just ill suited.

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

Wiimote is they way to goair_wolf_cubed

No

You don't play PC games much, do you?

I hear alot of PC users claim that the mouse and keyboard is the ultimate control method for FPS....and I cannot find any substance to this argument at all.

The mouse itself isn't too bad for the looking around and clicking to shoot - but add the keyboard to the mix and the whole thing just goes terribly wrong. I just can't see how anyone can defend the key board as a great way to contol a FPS.

It seems to me to be the most ill suited tool to control movement (and all the other secondary functions) ever?

RTS - yes, mouse and keyboard is perfect and the idea of trying to play RTS usuing a controller, is again, the complete opposite to the above arguemtment - RTS with a controller is just ill suited.

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

angryfodder

Mouse/keyboard is the best combo for playing FPSes, if you suck at it then its another thing...

Since the argument is so subjective, obviously people are going to agree and disagree.

Personally I feel the KB/M combination is perfect for shooters. It's a simple interface that allows for immense complexity in use.

You downplay the mouse a bit too.

Oh. My. God.

That's all I can say.

hahahaha.. thats priceless.

and yes the wii would be good for shooters.... if it didn't have the rendering power of a lemon.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Wiimote is they way to gotonythestudent

No

(hands TC flame shield)

Anyway... perhaps you need a better keyboard, and/or you're simply not used to it.

You don't play PC games much, do you?

Nagidar

I play RTS games on PC

Only play some America's Army on PC

I just think think its the most illogical method of movement control.

You have no sensitivity control like you do a controller.

I guess its something that you learn to live with and get used to - but "off the bat" its not the most logical control system

I hear alot of PC users claim that the mouse and keyboard is the ultimate control method for FPS....and I cannot find any substance to this argument at all.

The mouse itself isn't too bad for the looking around and clicking to shoot - but add the keyboard to the mix and the whole thing just goes terribly wrong. I just can't see how anyone can defend the key board as a great way to contol a FPS.

It seems to me to be the most ill suited tool to control movement (and all the other secondary functions) ever?

RTS - yes, mouse and keyboard is perfect and the idea of trying to play RTS usuing a controller, is again, the complete opposite to the above arguemtment - RTS with a controller is just ill suited.

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

angryfodder

I assume that you, TS, have never used the WASD configuration.

*facepalm*

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Wiimote is they way to goair_wolf_cubed

No

I'd say opinions.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="tonythestudent"]

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Wiimote is they way to goDanm_999

No

I'd say opinions.

Mouse and keyboard not suited for FPS

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

angryfodder

No your not the only one that thinks this way. A lot of people have learning difficulties.

I can't wait to see your next post 'The World is actually FLAT, pics from space are FAKE' or 'Half-Man Half-Parrot lives in my back garden!'

You have no sensitivity control like you do a controller.

angryfodder

Honestly, movement sensitivity control is something the FPS genre has really endeavoured to move away from.

It's either been largely axed, or compensated for with some sort of slow move button which you toggle.

I play RTS games on PC

Only play some America's Army on PC

I just think think its the most illogical method of movement control.

You have no sensitivity control like you do a controller.

angryfodder

Please answer the following question.

If controllers are better than a mouse for FPS games why do all FPS on console have built in Auto-Aim/Assist features?

If the gamepad is so great for FPS control then explain why almost all console FPS games have to use Auto Aiming to correct for the innaccuracy of the pad.

*Edit* Damn too slow, but like the above poster the question remains.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

You don't play PC games much, do you?

angryfodder

I play RTS games on PC

Only play some America's Army on PC

I just think think its the most illogical method of movement control.

You have no sensitivity control like you do a controller.

I guess its something that you learn to live with and get used to - but "off the bat" its not the most logical control system

What..? That was a joke, right?

While I haven't played AA, thats still a bit absurd.

LOLZ

Id actually go the exact opposite way

I find Kb/M tediously easy to use - getting a head shot is way too easy to be satisfying.

I got bored of Kb/m fps a long, LONG time ago.....

[QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

You don't play PC games much, do you?

Hook-a-holic

I play RTS games on PC

Only play some America's Army on PC

I just think think its the most illogical method of movement control.

You have no sensitivity control like you do a controller.

I guess its something that you learn to live with and get used to - but "off the bat" its not the most logical control system

this guy is too much, you can turn mouse senstivty UP at the control panel for general usage or on the OPTIONS section of any game, people who are computer illiterate are not wecome here, shoo dumb consoleite and do some reaserch!

What..? That was a joke, right?

While I haven't played AA, thats still a bit absurd.

LOLZ

Id actually go the exact opposite way

I find Kb/M tediously easy to use - getting a head shot is way too easy to be satisfying.

I got bored of Kb/m fps a long, LONG time ago.....

mijkil

You should go and make huge amounts of money playing them professionally, I mean you must be the greatest FPS player of all time if you find it that easy....oh wait, you were talking crap :P.

I sort of agree with you. Analog stick > WASD, Don't even try to deny this. But the advantage of the Keyboard is the number of keys allowing for more functionality. However sometimes devs go a bit overboard with this Idea and use too many buttons.Luigi_Vincetana

So much wrong with this statement i'm not sure where to start :(.

[QUOTE="mijkil"]

LOLZ

Id actually go the exact opposite way

I find Kb/M tediously easy to use - getting a head shot is way too easy to be satisfying.

I got bored of Kb/m fps a long, LONG time ago.....

Stonin

You should go and make huge amounts of money playing them professionally, I mean you must be the greatest FPS player of all time if you find it that easy....oh wait, you were talking crap :P.

What the hell are you talking about????

If your trying to say Kb/M isnt easier than using a gamepad - it is you sir, who is talking crap.

Im certain that there are vast numbers of people better than me , but theyre obviously easilly pleased.

Ive been playing pc fps since the start kid, I think im well within my right to have an opinion on this.

If gamepad was better than mouse/kb then all the pro counterstrike, tf2 etc. players would be using a gamepad. twind86

Bingo!

[QUOTE="Stonin"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

LOLZ

Id actually go the exact opposite way

I find Kb/M tediously easy to use - getting a head shot is way too easy to be satisfying.

I got bored of Kb/m fps a long, LONG time ago.....

mijkil

You should go and make huge amounts of money playing them professionally, I mean you must be the greatest FPS player of all time if you find it that easy....oh wait, you were talking crap :P.

What the hell are you talking about????

If your trying to say Kb/M isnt easier than using a gamepad - it is you sir, who is talking crap.

Im certain that there are vast numbers of people better than me , but theyre obviously easilly pleased.

Ive been playing pc fps since the start kid, I think im well within my right to have an opinion on this.

Umm no, i'm saying that if you think it makes all FPS games so easy that they ar eno challenge at all then you should become a pro player and make a fortune doing it. AFAIK most people don't find it that easy.

What you basically said is you are so good (it is so easy is the same thing) that you have to handicap yourself with a controller to make it fun. I was just pointing out what you should do with those mad skillz.

[QUOTE="twind86"]If gamepad was better than mouse/kb then all the pro counterstrike, tf2 etc. players would be using a gamepad. thegoldenpoo

Bingo!

Since when did teh l33t pro gamers define the gaming experience????

I make good money from my job.

I play games for fun, and as it stands I find using gamepads more fun, but I can certainly see the Wii-mote freshening things up in the future.

When I refer to sensitivity I am refering to the keybaord, no the mouse *facepalm*

keys are not pressure sensitive.

Keys are not a great way to control movement IMO - its just not a logical system that lends itself to being practical?

The same way that my car has a steering wheel and not left and right keys

Bwahahahahaha

Playing an FPS with a controller is horrendous.

It varies game-to-game.

CoH proves your point about RTS, impossible on a console i don't care what anyone says.

wat?

the only times a M/KB doesn't work is when you're playing fighting and racing games...and platformers....other than dat M/KB is the way to go.

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]I sort of agree with you. Analog stick > WASD, Don't even try to deny this. But the advantage of the Keyboard is the number of keys allowing for more functionality. However sometimes devs go a bit overboard with this Idea and use too many buttons.Stonin

So much wrong with this statement i'm not sure where to start :(.

When I refer to sensitivity I am refering to the keybaord, no the mouse *facepalm*

keys are not pressure sensitive.

Keys are not a great way to control movement IMO - its just not a logical system that lends itself to being practical?

The same way that my car has a steering wheel and not left and right keys

angryfodder

If you want to move slower, hold the walk or crouch key. Problem solved.

The only one thing that is better about a controller is rumble.

It was actually great fun playing through HL2 on the 360 with rumble support.

(In HL2 when you walk over those bugs and squish them... the rumble felt so satisfying. And the feedback from your weapons etc.)

But, really, Mouse and keyboard is great when you get used to it. I do prefer it for FPS in a way.

I happen to be lucky enough to enjoy both controller and mouse and keyboard.

I found the learning curve on mouse/keyboard to be quite steep when first started playing (this was back in the original Unreal Tournament days) but once you've got it down its one of the best control schemes ever. Dual analog is horrible in comparison to me mainly because the turning is nowhere near as quick as with a mouse.

The only thing that rivals mouse/keyboard strictly speaking in terms of controls is the Wiimote. Its more immersive and becomes more customisable with each FPS released. In The Conduit you can customise the controls. From the bounding box to the button commands to motion controls...

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

Mouse and keyboard not suited for FPS

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

tenaka2

No your not the only one that thinks this way. A lot of people have learning difficulties.

I can't wait to see your next post 'The World is actually FLAT, pics from space are FAKE' or 'Half-Man Half-Parrot lives in my back garden!'

Seriously...what?

I'm trying to promote discussion - not fanboyism.

Leave it at the door.

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

When I refer to sensitivity I am refering to the keybaord, no the mouse *facepalm*

keys are not pressure sensitive.

Keys are not a great way to control movement IMO - its just not a logical system that lends itself to being practical?

The same way that my car has a steering wheel and not left and right keys

TenP

If you want to move slower, hold the walk or crouch key. Problem solved.

yeah, ok - but that not gives of two options - fast and slow.

A control stick gives you the entire range inbetween AND without the need of trying to find key combo's

Seriously...what?

I'm trying to promote discussion - not fanboyism.

Leave it at the door.

angryfodder

I don't use a door, I use a 600lbs iron portcullis which I have to winch up using 20 yards of high strenght chain around a complex system of cogs. Its far easier and more accurate than a mere door.

[QUOTE="TenP"][QUOTE="angryfodder"]

When I refer to sensitivity I am refering to the keybaord, no the mouse *facepalm*

keys are not pressure sensitive.

Keys are not a great way to control movement IMO - its just not a logical system that lends itself to being practical?

The same way that my car has a steering wheel and not left and right keys

angryfodder

If you want to move slower, hold the walk or crouch key. Problem solved.

yeah, ok - but that not gives of two options - fast and slow.

A control stick gives you the entire range inbetween AND without the need of trying to find key combo's

well u can configure ur controller for ur own suit in pc, and the keyboard and mouse have alot of button than one controller if u even have experience of the keyboard and mouse u will know this when ur 10.

[QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="TenP"][QUOTE="angryfodder"]

When I refer to sensitivity I am refering to the keybaord, no the mouse *facepalm*

keys are not pressure sensitive.

Keys are not a great way to control movement IMO - its just not a logical system that lends itself to being practical?

The same way that my car has a steering wheel and not left and right keys

jojo198

If you want to move slower, hold the walk or crouch key. Problem solved.

yeah, ok - but that not gives of two options - fast and slow.

A control stick gives you the entire range inbetween AND without the need of trying to find key combo's

well u can configure ur controller for ur own suit in pc, and the keyboard and mouse have alot of button than one controller if u even have experience of the keyboard and mouse u know this when ur 10, the only thing the keyboard and mouse a missing from the controller is the sensitive like using joypad and pressing the button lightly or hard.

Oh dear god ...

So your going to take the little walking speed difference of an analog over the far superior aiming and key mapping of the PC?...

Talking about grasping at straws... jeez.