Miyamoto doesn't like drug use in Haze

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#1 Tnasty11
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While mooching around E3 last month, Shigeru Miyamoto dropped in to see Haze, the futuristic shooter from TimeSplitters creator Free Radical. But, according to dev legend David Doak (co-founder of Free Radical and ex-Rare designer) Mr Mario wasn't too keen on all the drugs and death.

"Cliffy B dropped by to see Haze," Doak reveals in his column for the latest issue of Edge magazine, "he liked the drugs and the violence. Mr Miyamoto dropped by to see Haze - and he didn't".

Miyamoto, of course, loves cuddly fluffy things and bright colours. So it's understandable that he might not be bubbling with excitement for a game where you play a solider pumped full of steroid-like narcotics, shooting the hell out of anyone who gets in your way.

Still, Doak was relieved that people who saw Haze had a glimpse of what lies beneath the violent exterior: "At least everyone seemed to get the point that we're trying to make an FPS wargame that makes you think. (More fools we)."

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20070802114936546042&releaseId=20060508142432546085
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#2 NobuoMusicMaker
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I guess Miyamoto doesn't like or even played Starcraft. Aaaaaaah that's the stuff.

He likes games like these.

Kokoro Scan!

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#3 wagexslave
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who cares

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#4 MetalContra
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WHAT ABOUT MARIO

he eats mad shrooms to get "Big"

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#5 lawlessx
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and we should care what he likes why?
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#6 StephenHu
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And yet, bad bad shrooms for Mario is a positive thing that allows him to grow unbelievably tall and big

bleh, someone said it before me

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#7 GoldenGlove
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Haze >>> Wii's 07 lineup yes including MP3
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#8 Meu2k7
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Somehow, I dont think anyone cares about his opinion, he may have been great back in the day ... but the Wii is showing very little in the great games department.
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#9 007Assassin
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Haze >>> Wii's 07 lineup yes including MP3GoldenGlove

Keep dreaming

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#10 Bread_or_Decide
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This is why people think nintendo is kiddy.

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#11 lantus
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Just because the guy can develope good games, doesn't mean we should take his personal opinion seriously, Haze looks really good, and using Nectar looks freaking awesome.
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#12 linarite
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Odd use of "mooching"...

Who knew, though, that people have different tastes in games?

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#13 Rockclmbr6
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Oh man, he's gonna hate Bioshock :lol:

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#14 web966
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Now were gonna bash Miyamoto because he is anti-drugs? :roll:
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[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]Haze >>> Wii's 07 lineup yes including MP3007Assassin

Keep dreaming

4 Player Co-op on and offline, amazing graphics. Two things that CAN'T be brought to you on Wii.

As the old Xbox commercials would say... "It's good to play together". Have fun on WiiFit though.

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It's ok not to like something about a game. It's just his call though.
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#17 Vandalvideo
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Now were gonna bash Miyamoto because he is anti-drugs? :roll:web966
Mushrooms. Miyamoto = hypocracy.
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This is why people think nintendo is kiddy.

Bread_or_Decide

:?

Do you really think that? Finding material in some video games objectionable is kiddy?

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Haze >>> Wii's 07 lineup yes including MP3GoldenGlove

AGREED.

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#20 Eponique
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Now were gonna bash Miyamoto because he is anti-drugs? :roll:web966

Crack is for the hardcore.

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#21 GoldenGlove
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Now were gonna bash Miyamoto because he is anti-drugs? :roll:web966

Well if you think about it all games pretty much have used a subliminal way to implement drug usage in games. I mean whenever a virtua character gets super strong or regains energy by picking up a "potion" can be a representation of drug usage...

And Mario loves Shrooms, he's a drug addict.

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[QUOTE="007Assassin"]

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]Haze >>> Wii's 07 lineup yes including MP3GoldenGlove

Keep dreaming

4 Player Co-op on and offline, amazing graphics. Two things that CAN'T be brought to you on Wii.

As the old Xbox commercials would say... "It's good to play together". Have fun on WiiFit though.

EAD > Free radical

Retro studios > Free radical

you fail twice, I'll put my money on the people who made games like Mario 64, Zelda OOT, Metroid Prime, over the guys who made Time splitters.

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Haze >>> Wii's 07 lineup yes including MP3GoldenGlove
:lol:

I highly doubt that. Honestly, I can understand why he'd find the drug use disturbing, I find that disturbing too, but in today's world violence in games is the norm... unfortunately.

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[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"][QUOTE="007Assassin"]

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]Haze >>> Wii's 07 lineup yes including MP3007Assassin

Keep dreaming

4 Player Co-op on and offline, amazing graphics. Two things that CAN'T be brought to you on Wii.

As the old Xbox commercials would say... "It's good to play together". Have fun on WiiFit though.

EAD > Free radical

Retro studios > Free radical

you fail twice, I'll put my money on the people who made games like Mario 64, Zelda OOT, Metroid Prime, over the guys who made Time splitters.

....Who also made Goldeneye and Perfect Dark...:|

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[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"][QUOTE="007Assassin"]

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]Haze >>> Wii's 07 lineup yes including MP3007Assassin

Keep dreaming

4 Player Co-op on and offline, amazing graphics. Two things that CAN'T be brought to you on Wii.

As the old Xbox commercials would say... "It's good to play together". Have fun on WiiFit though.

EAD > Free radical

Retro studios > Free radical

you fail twice, I'll put my money on the people who made games like Mario 64, Zelda OOT, Metroid Prime, over the guys who made Time splitters.

Yeah, but Haze >>> Nintendo's 07 lineup

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#26 Eponique
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[QUOTE="007Assassin"][QUOTE="GoldenGlove"][QUOTE="007Assassin"]

[QUOTE="GoldenGlove"]Haze >>> Wii's 07 lineup yes including MP3GoldenGlove

Keep dreaming

4 Player Co-op on and offline, amazing graphics. Two things that CAN'T be brought to you on Wii.

As the old Xbox commercials would say... "It's good to play together". Have fun on WiiFit though.

EAD > Free radical

Retro studios > Free radical

you fail twice, I'll put my money on the people who made games like Mario 64, Zelda OOT, Metroid Prime, over the guys who made Time splitters.

Yeah, but Haze >>> Nintendo's 07 lineup

Pshh. Opinions.

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#27 GoldenGlove
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Yes, it's my opinion.

Haze >>> Nintendo's 07 Lineup

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This is why people think nintendo is kiddy.

Bread_or_Decide

So not havng drugs in a game is kiddy?

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#29 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

This is why people think nintendo is kiddy.

linarite

:?

Do you really think that? Finding material in some video games objectionable is kiddy?

Yes because one should be able to seperate real life from video games. If you can't then you must have the mind of an easily suspectible child who only see's the world in black and white.

A mature individual is not effected by what they see, read, or play. They make up their own mind, but for others to make their mind up for them...thats offensive.

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#30 GoldenGlove
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

This is why people think nintendo is kiddy.

kman3002

So not havng drugs in a game is kiddy?

No, but b!tching about drugs in a Mature game is kiddy.

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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

This is why people think nintendo is kiddy.

kman3002

So not havng drugs in a game is kiddy?

Tell you something about Miyamoto's way of thinking. He's always thinking about kids. Not adults who can handle things like drug use in games.

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#32 mattyomo99
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yea like mario isnt craked out, you eat mushrooms... haha
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This is why people think nintendo is kiddy.

Bread_or_Decide

So what your saying is that it is mature to take drugs :roll:

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Yes because one should be able to seperate real life from video games. If you can't then you must have the mind of an easily suspectible child who only see's the world in black and white.

A mature individual is not effected by what they see, read, or play. They make up their own mind, but for others to make their mind up for them...thats offensive.

Bread_or_Decide

What you're speaking about is something quite different. I'm quite sure Mr. Miyamoto can separate reality from games, but you surely understand that an artist has different views on what is appropriate to put on a canvas. To condemn him as "kiddy" because his views differ from your own...

Well, to be honest, that seems to sound like what you are accusing. You seem to find his objections to such material just as inappropriate as he finds that material in the game. So your stance seems inherently fractured.

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#36 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

This is why people think nintendo is kiddy.

Chargeagles1

So what your saying is that it is mature to take drugs :roll:

See my answers above. And Haze doesn't exactly approve of what its characters are doing considering too much nectar can kill you. Miyamoto doesn't see that he just see's drugs and is turned off. That makes him an old prude and probably explains why his game worlds are so simple and uncomplicated.

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#37 butterob
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WHAT ABOUT MARIO

he eats mad shrooms to get "Big"

MetalContra

hahahah i loled man!

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#38 Bread_or_Decide
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Yes because one should be able to seperate real life from video games. If you can't then you must have the mind of an easily suspectible child who only see's the world in black and white.

A mature individual is not effected by what they see, read, or play. They make up their own mind, but for others to make their mind up for them...thats offensive.

linarite

What you're speaking about is something quite different. I'm quite sure Mr. Miyamoto can separate reality from games, but you surely understand that an artist has different views on what is appropriate to put on a canvas. To condemn him as "kiddy" because his views differ from your own...

Well, to be honest, that seems to sound like what you are accusing. You seem to find his objections to such material just as inappropriate as he finds that material in the game. So your stance seems inherently fractured.

It speaks volumes about his way of thinking and thus explains why Nintendo is labeled kiddy. I don't use drugs but that doesn't mean it can't be used as a tool to make fictional situations more interesting.

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#39 marioraider
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[QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

This is why people think nintendo is kiddy.

Bread_or_Decide

So what your saying is that it is mature to take drugs :roll:

See my answers above. And Haze doesn't exactly approve of what its characters are doing considering too much nectar can kill you. Miyamoto doesn't see that he just see's drugs and is turned off. That makes him an old prude and probably explains why his game worlds are so simple and uncomplicated.

Geez it's the guy's opinion on the game, give him a break. This doesn't mean you can make fun of him or the games he makes.

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Who cares? He's the man who is single handly killing gaming as we speak with the wiimote and those casual games. All he ever does is spew out kid casual rehash trash over and over again. Honestly, his openion holds no wait in the gaming community anymore. He's nothing but a joke. Haze looks like a great game, better than pretty much all of Wiis line-up. I bet he's just jelous.
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

This is why people think nintendo is kiddy.

marioraider

So what your saying is that it is mature to take drugs :roll:

See my answers above. And Haze doesn't exactly approve of what its characters are doing considering too much nectar can kill you. Miyamoto doesn't see that he just see's drugs and is turned off. That makes him an old prude and probably explains why his game worlds are so simple and uncomplicated.

Geez it's the guy's opinion on the game, give him a break. This doesn't mean you can make fun of him or the games he makes.

Its this philosophy that keeps Nintendo in this bubble where its always 1980.

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#42 marioraider
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Who cares? He's the man who is single handly killing gaming as we speak with the wiimote and those casual games. All he ever does is spew out kid casual rehash trash over and over again. Honestly, his openion holds no wait in the gaming community anymore. He's nothing but a joke. Haze looks like a great game, better than pretty much all of Wiis line-up. I bet he's just jelous. -Rail_Man-

I stopped reading right around there.

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It speaks volumes about his way of thinking and thus explains why Nintendo is labeled kiddy. I don't use drugs but that doesn't mean it can't be used as a tool to make fictional situations more interesting.

Bread_or_Decide

You're clearly missing the point. Another could just as easily say that drugs aren't necessary to make such fictional situations more interesting, yet you seem to feel differently.

Much so, in fact, that you refuse to see that this is merely a matter of difference of opinion, not a matter of kiddy or not.

I doubt Nintendo is perceived as "kiddy" because of Mario, more like because of popular children's characters that make their way to Nintendo systems.

And let's face it, who are the ones who perceive things as "kiddy" or not? That's right. Children, adolescents. People who are easily swayed by such views of others and general perceptions, which is something you're now on record of abhoring.

Yet defending...

To a neutral party: Am I wasting my time here? Is this guy just an anti-Nintendo troll? I haven't been here long enough, so I don't know who they are just yet, lol.

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#44 marioraider
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[QUOTE="marioraider"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

This is why people think nintendo is kiddy.

Bread_or_Decide

So what your saying is that it is mature to take drugs :roll:

See my answers above. And Haze doesn't exactly approve of what its characters are doing considering too much nectar can kill you. Miyamoto doesn't see that he just see's drugs and is turned off. That makes him an old prude and probably explains why his game worlds are so simple and uncomplicated.

Geez it's the guy's opinion on the game, give him a break. This doesn't mean you can make fun of him or the games he makes.

Its this philosophy that keeps Nintendo in this bubble where its always 1980.

What are you talking about? I was just saying it's his opinion.

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I can see why. Using Nectar is an intergal part of the story, which is supposed to actually be deep and morally ambiguous- something Miyamoto can't do well.
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#46 Zeliard9
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I won't call Shigeru Miyamoto kiddy. In fact, I've never referred to Nintendo, any of their systems, or any of their employees/fanbase as kiddy, and I never will. However, I will say that it's sad that a legendary game developer is objecting to content in a video game of this kind. We have enough smarmy politicians and Jack Thompson-types doing that. Games are meant to be escapist entertainment. The pioneer of modern video games should know this more than anybody.

Objecting to the drugs and violence in a game is no different than objecting to sex and violence in a game (God of War 1 + 2, anyone?). And maybe I was dreaming, but wasn't Manhunt 2 set to come out for the Wii? Oh, that's right, it doesnt have "drugs." And drugs are bad, mmmkay?

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#47 daqua_99
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And th entire point of this is .... ?

I'm sure more the one person won't like this game.

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#48 Teuf_
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God forbid a game actually takes on some more difficult subject matter. :roll:


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#49 tomarlyn
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For gods sake Miyamoto its a mature sci-fi action game, bog off with your non-gamer garbage. I don't reccomend that he watches anything like Riddick or Resident Evil . I mean doesn't the main character fight against the corporation with their use of Nectar? Its anti-drugs if anything.

I think he just holds a grudge against the old guys from Rare, he got jealous of DK Country and talked it down once, ''Mediocre gameplay''.

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#50 Bread_or_Decide
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It speaks volumes about his way of thinking and thus explains why Nintendo is labeled kiddy. I don't use drugs but that doesn't mean it can't be used as a tool to make fictional situations more interesting.

linarite

You're clearly missing the point. Another could just as easily say that drugs aren't necessary to make such fictional situations more interesting, yet you seem to feel differently.

Much so, in fact, that you refuse to see that this is merely a matter of difference of opinion, not a matter of kiddy or not.

I doubt Nintendo is perceived as "kiddy" because of Mario, more like because of popular children's characters that make their way to Nintendo systems.

And let's face it, who are the ones who perceive things as "kiddy" or not? That's right. Children, adolescents. People who are easily swayed by such views of others and general perceptions, which is something you're now on record of abhoring.

Yet defending...

To a neutral party: Am I wasting my time here? Is this guy just an anti-Nintendo troll? I haven't been here long enough, so I don't know who they are just yet, lol.

Well to be fair I said thats why people label them kiddy. I never called them kiddy.