Microsoft: PSN hack is bad for the games industry

PSN hack is bad for the game industry.....................and accessory sales? haha

This hack was nothing more than an excuse for some sorry hackers to make trouble. Its like looters that take advantage of large crowd gatherings or protests. At least Microsoft is saying something which takes some guts considering everyone else is getting hacked.-ArchAngeL-777-

glad to see that ms isn't taking this change to roast sony. at least not all of us are sinking down to sony's level.

To be fair to MS "ask a stupid question and you'll get a stupid answer".

I think the interviewer was expecting them to say, "ah Sony suck blah blah blah", but in truth MS see Sony as healthy competition.

Darth_DuMas

Wouldn't go that far, but they handled it well. MS were polite about it.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="racing1750"] I love my xbox live. That is some nice milking :dtormentos

hey look on the front page as if we didnt know it was bad, i cant say it wasnt sonys fault,

cause now they are after every developer including nintendo ya read it up thanks sony ,

I agree with Microsoft 110%. I'm so glad that they can the honest truth and be very insightful when they're discussing them.

[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] and remember ethernet cables, hdmi cables, usb cables, controllers headsets...etc all sell for under 10 bucks the official sony ones....:lol:

racing1750

Shocking... its also bad for SOny! Go figure...

[QUOTE="racing1750"][QUOTE="DarthJohnova"] Just like that wireless network adaptor?mariokart64fan

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] and remember ethernet cables, hdmi cables, usb cables, controllers headsets...etc all sell for under 10 bucks the official sony ones....:lol:

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] No im pretty sure thats an opinion because it hasn't always been free.WilliamRLBaker

of course their gonna say something like that

were you really expecting them to say "YEAH WE HIRED PEOPLE TO HACK SONY. FOR TEH LULZ"

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[QUOTE="tormentos"] Not more than the $100 network adapter,$20 dollars on PC and the 20GB for $100,when for $50 you could buy a 160 GB one back then.tormentos

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[QUOTE="tormentos"] Not more than the $100 network adapter,$20 dollars on PC and the 20GB for $100,when for $50 you could buy a 160 GB one back then.tormentos

I'd just like to point out that every 360 comes with a headset, so I'm not sure why you need the wireless one. Considering the controller is wireless and if you're playing the game, you're unlikely to need anymore than then bit of cable they give you. And also, MS allowed the use of USB memory some time ago. Up to 16 gigs I believe on two device, leaving up to 32GBs of storage.

The harddrives are ridiculously overpriced, still. Even if you use a portable harddrive, the 360 will demand that you get a MS liscensed one to fully enjoy Halo Reach on the 4GB models, which is just silly.

Captain Obvious to the rescue!

Okay I'm back after mowing then coming in and subsequently crashing and sleeping for the past 11-12 hours.

Clear up some stuff about my stance here.
The sony hack was a debacle they embarassed themselves completely having such an attitude of its free we wont be hacked don't invest in security whether personal information was taken is pretty much guranteed since Sony said them selves it was accessed the only thing that wasn't accessed but only possibly not was credit card information.

Its actually quitecIassy of Microsoft to wait so long to even say anything on the issue and they were actually quite supportive about it.
and thats all I'll say about that.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="tormentos"] DC Free. PS2 Free PC Free Gamecube Free Wii Free PS3 Free DS Free PSP Free 3DS Free Vita as of now Free oh and with cross game chat............lol So you were saying.?tormentos

lol love how you only countered one thing and you countered it wrong. Most of the support was in sega.net so you had much of no choice but using sega.net if you wanted low latency on game servers ran by sega. And did you actually post a list of accessories earlier? very bunk list because there are loads of 3rd party offerings on the 360 as well face it Ps3 accesories are just as expensive specially official ones.

Come back when you actually used sega.net back in the day of dial up hell gaming on consoles which was faulty at best.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] heat.net, sega.net. x-band...I could go on there are more examples...WilliamRLBaker

lol love how you only countered one thing and you countered it wrong. Most of the support was in sega.net so you had much of no choice but using sega.net if you wanted low latency on game servers ran by sega. And did you actually post a list of accessories earlier? very bunk list because there are loads of 3rd party offerings on the 360 as well face it Ps3 accesories are just as expensive specially official ones.

Come back when you actually used sega.net back in the day of dial up hell gaming on consoles which was faulty at best.

time to play "fill in the blanks!" __ ____ sherlock.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] and remember ethernet cables, hdmi cables, usb cables, controllers headsets...etc all sell for under 10 bucks the official sony ones....:lol:

WilliamRLBaker

Look. If you like Live, and don't mind paying for it, that's fine. But at the end of the day, they charge $60 a year to let you access a bunch of services and features that you already pay for on their network purely because they know they can because if you want to use those services on your 360, you have no other choice, when other companies offer nearly identical networks for free. It's milkage.

It does when you compare the damage it does to the market,mainly to people wallets.tormentos

That makes no sense, at all :?

The consumer spending money on theproducts that are part of the market (in this case, add ons and subscriptions) is a sign of a healthy market, not of one being damaged.

Please, let's not pretend that you don't liking the pricing of something means the market is somehow being damaged by it.

[QUOTE="tormentos"] It does when you compare the damage it does to the market,mainly to people wallets.IronBass

That makes no sense, at all :?

The consumer spending money on theproducts that are part of the market (in this case, add ons and subscriptions) is a sign of a healthy market, not of one being damaged.

Please, let's not pretend that you don't liking the pricing of something means the market is somehow being damaged by it.

Look. If you like Live, and don't mind paying for it, that's fine. But at the end of the day, they charge $60 a year to let you access a bunch of services and features that you already pay for on their network purely because they know they can because if you want to use those services on your 360, you have no other choice, when other companies offer nearly identical networks for free. It's milkage.ianuilliam

Over priced peripherals = lower sales less money on the market.tormentos

Lower sales of what? If people are paying for those peripherals, the money is on the market. :?

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Over priced peripherals = lower sales less money on the market.IronBass

Lower sales of what? If people are paying for those peripherals, the money is on the market. :?

Over priced peripherals = lower sales less money on the market. Not only that constant increases in prices can slow down sales,the PS3 was $600 dollar and it did not sold like the PS2,the xbox 360 was cheaper and sold more,and the wii was even cheaper and sold even more. In this case the PS3 wasn't over priced but it show you and example,of how high prices can mean slower sales. Oh and the biggest damage is done to our wallets.tormentos

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OXM UK: "Microsoft executives have gone on record about the Playstation Network hack, saying it's bad for the gaming industry and it highlights the need for safer online environments.

tormentos

But there is a huge % of the people who is not buying it,if live was $10 dollar a year a hell of allot more people would pay for it,at $60 dollars live has some 15 million golds users tops,on a user base of 55 million,that is a great minority,now don't tell me they have 30 million xbox live players we already know that half the user base of xbox live is silver it was confirmed by MS already.tormentos

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Over priced peripherals = lower sales less money on the market. Not only that constant increases in prices can slow down sales,the PS3 was $600 dollar and it did not sold like the PS2,the xbox 360 was cheaper and sold more,and the wii was even cheaper and sold even more. In this case the PS3 wasn't over priced but it show you and example,of how high prices can mean slower sales. Oh and the biggest damage is done to our wallets.IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="tormentos"]Over priced peripherals = lower sales less money on the market. Not only that constant increases in prices can slow down sales,the PS3 was $600 dollar and it did not sold like the PS2,the xbox 360 was cheaper and sold more,and the wii was even cheaper and sold even more. In this case the PS3 wasn't over priced but it show you and example,of how high prices can mean slower sales. Oh and the biggest damage is done to our wallets.tormentos

I don't think they care what is good for the industry, just what's good for them, and the PSN hack was very good for them.

Is not the people paying over priced prices,is the ones that don't buy something because is to expensive where the real damage is done,and if you read my quote well i say to our wallets as well,which is the part that refer to what you want to argue. Over priced peripherals hurt double,hurt you when you buy it,and hurt the industry because less people are willing to buy and over priced product.tormentos

I'm getting tired of arguing vague points.

Do you have proof people aren't buying those products at the rate the product maker expects?

Because there's a simple rule in economics, and that is, if people don't buy something, the price of that something goes down.

So if those add ons weren't selling as MS expects, they would simply lower their price.

As I said, you not liking the pricing of something doesn't mean the market is damaged by it.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]But there is a huge % of the people who is not buying it,if live was $10 dollar a year a hell of allot more people would pay for it,at $60 dollars live has some 15 million golds users tops,on a user base of 55 million,that is a great minority,now don't tell me they have 30 million xbox live players we already know that half the user base of xbox live is silver it was confirmed by MS already.IronBass

How it doesn't.? every single sale counts,the more you have the more you earn,in this case MS decide to over price the service in response the majority of the user base stir away from xbox live.? Which mean less money make,if xbox live is so great why gold users are a minority.? See instead of reducing the price which would lead for higher sales,and could mean higher retention of costumers which mean more money,they rise it and subscriptions stay more or less the same.tormentos

If I sell two "x-products" for $20, I make $40.

If I lower its price to $10, and sell three of them, I make $30.

Interesting, I have more consumers but I didn't make more money :O

It's a very simple example, in reality things are way more complex than that, but it illustrates the point that lowering the price won't always mean more money.

Companies determine the pricing of something based on tens of hundreds of things, so what would happen if they changed it is notsomething we're in position to discuss.

What we can discuss is if they are meeting their expectations or not. And the fact that they don't lower the price shows that they are.

Is the number 1 reason why everything go down in price in the electronic market,if not we would still be paying $1000 for a blu-ray player.tormentos

Exactly. So what does the fact that MS isn't lowering the price tell us? That is selling according to expectations. And what does that means? Bingo, a successful product, sign of a healthy market.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Is not the people paying over priced prices,is the ones that don't buy something because is to expensive where the real damage is done,and if you read my quote well i say to our wallets as well,which is the part that refer to what you want to argue. Over priced peripherals hurt double,hurt you when you buy it,and hurt the industry because less people are willing to buy and over priced product.IronBass

I'm getting tired of arguing vague points.

Do you have proof people aren't buying those products at the rate the product maker expects?

Because there's a simple rule in economics, and that is, if people don't buy something, the price of that something goes down.

So if those add ons weren't selling as MS expects, they would simply lower their price.

As I said, you not liking the pricing of something doesn't mean the market is damaged by it.

Breaking news: The sky is blue, and the grass is green.Jynxzor

[QUOTE="racing1750"][QUOTE="tormentos"] Yeah because milking the consumer dry with xbox live and over priced add on is any better.tormentos

I don't think they care what is good for the industry, just what's good for them, and the PSN hack was very good for them.

Demonjoe93

I love my xbox live. That is some nice milking :dracing1750

http://techgenie.com/latest/12-5-million-subscribers-for-microsoft-xbox-live-gold/ Now tell me that if Live was just $19.99 or $14.99 per full year,a hell or allot more people would be on it,and xbox live would have not only more new costumer but also a higher retention of the ones already on board.tormentos

For the third time, that's not the point. A market's health doesn't depend on how many people play online buton companies making money.Yes, I'm surethe amount subscribers would increase, but that doesn't mean increased profits.

Either way the so call damage PSN cause was because of stopping of the store,those games were not cancel and the people who wanted to buy those games a month ago,when they could not be release on PSN they would have probably buy them by now,it was just a delay.tormentos

Delays can make a lot of damage to companies, due to stock issues, productions schedules, and a lot of other things. So no, it's not "just a delay".

That without counting the actual money Sony lost (estimated aroung 170M).

But RROD is good for gaming?

give me a break, lol.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="racing1750"] I love my xbox live. That is some nice milking :dslvrraven9

But RROD is good for gaming?

give me a break, lol.

ZoomZoom2490

PSN is ok even the damn Pentagon has loss sensitive information to hackers,MS is not different and millions of people have experience not only data theft,but also identity,and had their PC basically kill thanks to hackers and the biggest and most hacked software is Windows a MS products,trowing a jab at sony for PSN is silly MS has been putting data as risk from millions of computers before the PS was even born.tormentos

But RROD is good for gaming?

give me a break, lol.

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But RROD is good for gaming?

give me a break, lol.

tormentos