John Carmack: PS3 vs Xbox 360

In Carmack's latest vid: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112 he makes a few very honest statements:

• He believes Microsoft is being a bit unfair about charging extra licensing fees for multi-disc games.
• Sony REQURES publishers to have SAME-DAY multiplat releases or some kind of "enhancement" of the game for the PS3 version if it comes later or they threaten to pull advertizing/promotion funding.
• Xbox 360's CPU and GPU are both superior to the PS3's from a development standpoint.
• Developers have to work twice as hard to make a PS3 game look as good as an Xbox 360 game.
• The PS3's XMB takes up a lot more of the system's resources compared to the 360's dashboard.
• The only advantage the PS3 has going for it is Blu-Ray's storage capacity.
• He plays the Wii & DS with his 3 year-old.

You have to applaud Carmack for being as candid as he is. He tells things as they are and its quite obvious he is as far from a fanboy as can be. Anyone think its funny at how poor of a game console the PS3 really is?

P.S. I just got my Xbox 360 back from repair last week (have been on vacation), and I don't know what they did but my DVD-ROM drive is now as quiet as my Wii, which means its half as loud as my PS3. Awesome!

Looks like Sony's gonna be ticked about Last Remnant.SSCyborg

It just means we will get extra content. I don't see anything wrong with what Sony is doing in this case. If 360 is more powerful why does PS3 have the best looking games in games like Uncharted and Killzone 2?

Can we just settle the arguement then?

The Xbox 360's hardware is more powerful for gaming than the PS3's hardware.

Can we just settle the arguement then?

The Xbox 360's hardware is more powerful for gaming than the PS3's hardware.

bungie93

alright this is old a little of what he said I disagree with.Iceman2911

yea but he is a developer and your not. no offence

In Carmack's latest vid: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112 he makes a few very honest statements:

• He believes Microsoft is being a bit unfair about charging extra licensing fees for multi-disc games.
• Sony REQURES publishers to have SAME-DAY multiplat releases or some kind of "enhancement" of the game for the PS3 version if it comes later or they threaten to pull advertizing/promotion funding.
• Xbox 360's CPU and GPU are both superior to the PS3's from a development standpoint.
• Developers have to work twice as hard to make a PS3 game look as good as an Xbox 360 game.
• The PS3's XMB takes up a lot more of the system's resources compared to the 360's dashboard.
• The only advantage the PS3 has going for it is Blu-Ray's storage capacity.
• He plays the Wii & DS with his 3 year-old.

You have to applaud Carmack for being as candid as he is. He tells things as they are and its quite obvious he is as far from a fanboy as can be. Anyone think its funny at how poor of a game console the PS3 really is?

P.S. I just got my Xbox 360 back from repair last week (have been on vacation), and I don't know what they did but my DVD-ROM drive is now as quiet as my Wii, which means its half as loud as my PS3. Awesome!

WillieBeamish

I found those two statements pretty funny.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]Looks like Sony's gonna be ticked about Last Remnant.-Renegade

It just means we will get extra content. I don't see anything wrong with what Sony is doing in this case. If 360 is more powerful why does PS3 have the best looking games in games like Uncharted and Killzone 2?

[QUOTE="Iceman2911"]alright this is old a little of what he said I disagree with.N0-

yea but he is a developer and your not. no offence

are you targeting me because I disagree there are developers who disagree too.

[QUOTE="bungie93"]

Can we just settle the arguement then?

The Xbox 360's hardware is more powerful for gaming than the PS3's hardware.

EmilioDigsIt

The sad thing is, when can we see other things from the PS3 that'll utilize it?

In Carmack's latest vid: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112 he makes a few very honest statements:

• He believes Microsoft is being a bit unfair about charging extra licensing fees for multi-disc games.
• Sony REQURES publishers to have SAME-DAY multiplat releases or some kind of "enhancement" of the game for the PS3 version if it comes later or they threaten to pull advertizing/promotion funding.
• Xbox 360's CPU and GPU are both superior to the PS3's from a development standpoint.
• Developers have to work twice as hard to make a PS3 game look as good as an Xbox 360 game.
• The PS3's XMB takes up a lot more of the system's resources compared to the 360's dashboard.
• The only advantage the PS3 has going for it is Blu-Ray's storage capacity.
• He plays the Wii & DS with his 3 year-old.

You have to applaud Carmack for being as candid as he is. He tells things as they are and its quite obvious he is as far from a fanboy as can be. Anyone think its funny at how poor of a game console the PS3 really is?

P.S. I just got my Xbox 360 back from repair last week (have been on vacation), and I don't know what they did but my DVD-ROM drive is now as quiet as my Wii, which means its half as loud as my PS3. Awesome!

WillieBeamish

The PS3 isn't loud at all.

[QUOTE="Iceman2911"]alright this is old a little of what he said I disagree with.N0-

yea but he is a developer and your not. no offence

You know whats funny? Devolpers have said that the PS3 is the most powerful and fanboys are quick to disagree with them. Why is this instance different? Did it ever occur to anyone that John Carmack and Gabe Newell are PC devs? The 360 is closest to PC architechture from the two systems. Of course its going to be better for THEM. What he said is his opinion, much like that of theopinion of a game reviewer. SomeDevs agree with him, some disagree. fanboys like to take things as gospel when it supports their point of view.

Both are equally as powerful, just different to program for.

I like listening to Carmack talk. He really goes into depth and gives you loads of info. I find it all interesting.

But... I don't like any of the past games ID has put out... I don't care if they were made by some other company... When you put your logo on and the game is crap... You better get ready for some negativity.

[QUOTE="EmilioDigsIt"][QUOTE="bungie93"]

Can we just settle the arguement then?

The Xbox 360's hardware is more powerful for gaming than the PS3's hardware.

pakman3000

The sad thing is, when can we see other things from the PS3 that'll utilize it?

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]Looks like Sony's gonna be ticked about Last Remnant.-Renegade

It just means we will get extra content. I don't see anything wrong with what Sony is doing in this case. If 360 is more powerful why does PS3 have the best looking games in games like Uncharted and Killzone 2?

You don't know that. Square does its own marketing anyways. And :lol: at you using GreyZone 2.

• The only advantage the PS3 has going for it is Blu-Ray's storage capacity.

WillieBeamish

And seriously, what kind of an advantage is that?

360's CPU is more powerful? we all know that is joke. now while a respect what carmack has done for the industry and acknowledge the fact that he was a coding genius i can't take the man seriously anymore. just because something is hard doesn't mean it's weaker the man always **** at the fact that ps3 is hard to develop for. SHUT UP!! we know we've heard this from everyone else seriouly so many companies have said that and do you know what most of them did? they got to work instead of complaining. looks like all sony's first party developers got the hang of it. i mean look at insomniac after the initial struggle(RFOM) they got very good and developing for teh ps3 i mean R&C and AAA game by many standards took only a year and a half to make and R2 just keeps getting better. imo he's just too use to PC architecture like valve who also complain more than try. i'm so tired of all these people compiling ps3 is too hard to develop for.Ragashahs

tl;dr I'm in Damage control

Guys, Carmack is a Computer Dev. It was around 2005 that he stated the same drivel. It's his opinion, and it's valid, But there are other devs that say the opposite.

THE CPU statement proves it's HIS Opinion, and not based on facts.

[QUOTE="N0-"]

[QUOTE="Iceman2911"]alright this is old a little of what he said I disagree with.mazdero

yea but he is a developer and your not. no offence

You know whats funny? Devolpers have said that the PS3 is the most powerful and fanboys are quick to disagree with them. Why is this instance different? Did it ever occur to anyone that John Carmack and Gabe Newell are PC devs? The 360 is closest to PC architechture from the two systems. Of course its going to be better for THEM. What he said is his opinion, much like that of theopinion of a game reviewer. SomeDevs agree with him, some disagree. fanboys like to take things as gospel when it supports their point of view.

Both are equally as powerful, just different to program for.

your calling me a fanboy and you dont even know if i have a 360.the reason i said that is because i hate it when people act like they know more than game developers

[QUOTE="N0-"]

[QUOTE="Iceman2911"]alright this is old a little of what he said I disagree with.Iceman2911

yea but he is a developer and your not. no offence

are you targeting me because I disagree there are developers who disagree too.

im not targeting you i just said that because he should know he is a game developer.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]360's CPU is more powerful? we all know that is joke. now while a respect what carmack has done for the industry and acknowledge the fact that he was a coding genius i can't take the man seriously anymore. just because something is hard doesn't mean it's weaker the man always **** at the fact that ps3 is hard to develop for. SHUT UP!! we know we've heard this from everyone else seriouly so many companies have said that and do you know what most of them did? they got to work instead of complaining. looks like all sony's first party developers got the hang of it. i mean look at insomniac after the initial struggle(RFOM) they got very good and developing for teh ps3 i mean R&C and AAA game by many standards took only a year and a half to make and R2 just keeps getting better. imo he's just too use to PC architecture like valve who also complain more than try. i'm so tired of all these people compiling ps3 is too hard to develop for.SSCyborg

tl;dr I'm in Damage control

360's CPU is more powerful? we all know that is joke. now while a respect what carmack has done for the industry and acknowledge the fact that he was a coding genius i can't take the man seriously anymore. just because something is hard doesn't mean it's weaker the man always **** at the fact that ps3 is hard to develop for. SHUT UP!! we know we've heard this from everyone else seriouly so many companies have said that and do you know what most of them did? they got to work instead of complaining. looks like all sony's first party developers got the hang of it. i mean look at insomniac after the initial struggle(RFOM) they got very good and developing for teh ps3 i mean R&C and AAA game by many standards took only a year and a half to make and R2 just keeps getting better. imo he's just too use to PC architecture like valve who also complain more than try. i'm so tired of all these people compiling ps3 is too hard to develop for.Ragashahs

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]360's CPU is more powerful? we all know that is joke. now while a respect what carmack has done for the industry and acknowledge the fact that he was a coding genius i can't take the man seriously anymore. just because something is hard doesn't mean it's weaker the man always **** at the fact that ps3 is hard to develop for. SHUT UP!! we know we've heard this from everyone else seriouly so many companies have said that and do you know what most of them did? they got to work instead of complaining. looks like all sony's first party developers got the hang of it. i mean look at insomniac after the initial struggle(RFOM) they got very good and developing for teh ps3 i mean R&C and AAA game by many standards took only a year and a half to make and R2 just keeps getting better. imo he's just too use to PC architecture like valve who also complain more than try. i'm so tired of all these people compiling ps3 is too hard to develop for.Ragashahs

tl;dr I'm in Damage control

That's the general idea.

[QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="N0-"]

[QUOTE="Iceman2911"]alright this is old a little of what he said I disagree with.N0-

yea but he is a developer and your not. no offence

You know whats funny? Devolpers have said that the PS3 is the most powerful and fanboys are quick to disagree with them. Why is this instance different? Did it ever occur to anyone that John Carmack and Gabe Newell are PC devs? The 360 is closest to PC architechture from the two systems. Of course its going to be better for THEM. What he said is his opinion, much like that of the opinion of a game reviewer. Some Devs agree with him, some disagree. fanboys like to take things as gospel when it supports their point of view.

Both are equally as powerful, just different to program for.

your calling me a fanboy and you dont even know if i have a 360.the reason i said that is because i hate it when people act like they know more than game developers

I did not call you a fanboy, I was speaking about fanboys in general. if you consider yourself a fanboy or not, thats not my problem.What you said is used by fanboys when ever it suits them(again, not saying you are one). But you are correct, he is not a dev and carmack is, but he is entitled to disagree when other devs also have. Its called taking the opinion of the one you agree with.

I also hate it when people think they know more than game devs. Game devs have said PS3 is more powerful, will you agree with them as well? In the end, no one should care which one is more powerful as long as the games look great and are awesome to play.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]360's CPU is more powerful? we all know that is joke. now while a respect what carmack has done for the industry and acknowledge the fact that he was a coding genius i can't take the man seriously anymore. just because something is hard doesn't mean it's weaker the man always **** at the fact that ps3 is hard to develop for. SHUT UP!! we know we've heard this from everyone else seriouly so many companies have said that and do you know what most of them did? they got to work instead of complaining. looks like all sony's first party developers got the hang of it. i mean look at insomniac after the initial struggle(RFOM) they got very good and developing for teh ps3 i mean R&C and AAA game by many standards took only a year and a half to make and R2 just keeps getting better. imo he's just too use to PC architecture like valve who also complain more than try. i'm so tired of all these people compiling ps3 is too hard to develop for.SSCyborg

tl;dr I'm in Damage control

That's the general idea.

I don't know why PS3 fanboys are busting on Carmack. He tells it like it is. He isn't a fanboy and he isn't paided off.

The legend speaks... You should listen.

I accept his criticism of the 360. Not letting them put HDD required. I think it is dumb that MS charges for extra DVD's.

I don't know why PS3 fanboys are busting on Carmack. He tells it like it is. He isn't a fanboy and he isn't paided off.

The legend speaks... You should listen.

I accept his criticism of the 360. Not letting them put HDD required. I think it is dumb that MS charges for extra DVD's.

Truth_Hurts_U

thing is what he is saying has been proven false by actual games that is why people crack on Carmack. He is either ignorant or lazy to learn new things.

thing is what he is saying has been proven false by actual games that is why people crack on Carmack. He is either ignorant or lazy to learn new things. jliebel

Where are these games that prove this?

[QUOTE="jliebel"]

thing is what he is saying has been proven false by actual games that is why people crack on Carmack. He is either ignorant or lazy to learn new things. Truth_Hurts_U

Where are these games that prove this?

MGS4, and Uncharted to name a few ;)

MGS4, and Uncharted to name a few ;)

jliebel

Proof of what? Spending how many more millions? Just for a slight graphics bump. I'm sure if people were to spend the ridiculous amounts of money they could achieve the same on the 360.

BTW MGS4... The models looks great but the environments make me wanna puke.

You're all aware that Carmack is primarily a PC developer...?

So of course he'll think the 360 is better, it's so much more similar to a standard computer than the PS3 is. The Cell Processor is incredibly powerful (only lemmings disagree with this) but there are only a handful of people that know how it works and that is it's downfall. Once the cell is more universal it'll be easier to develop for, but we don't know how long that will take (if it ever happens)...

[QUOTE="jliebel"]

MGS4, and Uncharted to name a few ;)

Truth_Hurts_U

Proof of what? Spending how many more millions? Just for a slight graphics bump. I'm sure if people were to spend the ridiculous amounts of money they could achieve the same on the 360.

BTW MGS4... The models looks great but the environments make me wanna puke.

bottom statement just shows you never played the game.

bottom statement just shows you never played the game.

jliebel

Your right I never did... But I did see it being played by someone else. So it doesn't matter if I played it or not. I seen the game in person.

[QUOTE="jliebel"]

bottom statement just shows you never played the game.

Truth_Hurts_U

Your right I never did... But I did see it being played by someone else. So it doesn't matter if I played it or not. I seen the game in person.

[QUOTE="jliebel"]

bottom statement just shows you never played the game.

Truth_Hurts_U

Your right I never did... But I did see it being played by someone else. So it doesn't matter if I played it or not. I seen the game in person.

Iceman2911

This is much better then that face palm garbage.

Don't know why people gave up on Mr. Owl.