Is Sony going bankrupt?

And you base this ... off what?

And you base this ... off what?

Stevo_the_gamer

who cares if sony is in a huge debt....around 1/3 of itsvalue

Where is your reasoning for this? Seriously people, if we don;t have an intricate understanding of how businesses work, and the assets etc they hold, do NOT try and draw conclusions. If you are wrong, you just look plain silly.

eh, it wouldn't matter to me that much, i havn't cared for sony much lately

umm no, sony has more than just the video game division, just liike MS Dante2710

Anybody who actually believe this is a fool/fanboy.

y would a hardware giant goes bankrupt?OPuniverse

Anybody who actually believe this is a fool/fanboy.

warmaster670

Really? Why? A lot of companies are getting hit hard atm, if anything you'd be a fool and/or a fanboy if you DIDN'T think Sony isn't having trouble atm... Everyone else is.

[QUOTE="OPuniverse"]y would a hardware giant goes bankrupt?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="OPuniverse"]y would a hardware giant goes bankrupt?Stevo_the_gamer

lol another lemming doom and gloom damage control thread trying to make a comeback because xbox 360 is falling badly and has nothing good for 09 :Dsimslifer

and yet, xbox 360 sold more during the same time period compare from 2008 to 2009

but ps3 didn't....uhm, who'f failing badly? i'll give you some time :)

lol sony is richer then microsoft i dont see why ur saying thisPS360_Gamer

possible further into the future maybe. right here and now? not by a long shotOPuniverse

no? I mean there is no indication of this any where...

lol sony is richer then microsoft i dont see why ur saying thisPS360_Gamer

i'm really hoping that you're joking...or it's a sarcasim

[QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"]lol sony is richer then microsoft i dont see why ur saying thisStevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"]lol sony is richer then microsoft i dont see why ur saying thismeronge

i'm really hoping that you're joking...or it's a sarcasim

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"]lol sony is richer then microsoft i dont see why ur saying thisPS360_Gamer

:)) he's serious !!!!

he thinks revenue means profit :)) and using 20078 numbers? :))

i'll give you the most recent numbers

sony Enterprise Value (1-Jun-09)3:32.03B

and 12 billiion debt

microsoft

Enterprise Value (1-Jun-09)3:164.02B

source : yahoo market

[QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"]lol sony is richer then microsoft i dont see why ur saying thismeronge

:)) he's serious !!!!

he thinks revenue means profit :)) and using 20078 numbers? :))

i'll give you the most recent numbers

sony Enterprise Value (1-Jun-09)3:32.03B

and 12 billiion debt

microsoft

Enterprise Value (1-Jun-09)3:164.02B

source : yahoo market

oh and profits doesnt show how rich a company is

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"]lol sony is richer then microsoft i dont see why ur saying thisPS360_Gamer

Um, no. .PS360_Gamer

:)) he's serious !!!!

he thinks revenue means profit :)) and using 20078 numbers? :))

i'll give you the most recent numbers

sony Enterprise Value (1-Jun-09)3:32.03B

and 12 billiion debt

microsoft

Enterprise Value (1-Jun-09)3:164.02B

source : yahoo market

[QUOTE="simslifer"][QUOTE="meronge"] Microsoft: Revenue- 60 Billion / Operating Income- 22 Billion / Net Income- 18 Billion / Total Assets- 73 Billion / Total Equity- 36 Billion Sony: Revenue- 100 Billion / Operating Income- 4 Billion / Net Income- 29 Billion / Total Assets- 200 Billion / Total Equity- 50 Billion All rounded numbers.

:)) he's serious !!!!

he thinks revenue means profit :)) and using 20078 numbers? :))

i'll give you the most recent numbers

sony Enterprise Value (1-Jun-09)3:32.03B

and 12 billiion debt

microsoft

Enterprise Value (1-Jun-09)3:164.02B

source : yahoo market

PS360_Gamer

the funny this is, the definition of enterprise value is Enterprise value (EV), Total enterprise value (TEV), or Firm value (FV) is an economic measure reflecting the market value of the whole business. It is a sum of claims of all the security-holders: debtholders, preferred shareholders, minority shareholders, common equity holders, and others. Enterprise value is one of the fundamental metrics used in business valuation, financial modeling, accounting, portfolio analysis, etc. (source wiki)

so in theory, i could theoretical takeover sony with 31 billion :)

ownage denied

and CHECK MATE

[QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"][QUOTE="simslifer"] lol good job at pwning microsoft most likely will go bankrupt before sony meronge

the funny this is, the definition of enterprise value is Enterprise value (EV), Total enterprise value (TEV), or Firm value (FV) is an economic measure reflecting the market value of the whole business. It is a sum of claims of all the security-holders: debtholders, preferred shareholders, minority shareholders, common equity holders, and others. Enterprise value is one of the fundamental metrics used in business valuation, financial modeling, accounting, portfolio analysis, etc. (source wiki)

surely u understood this "Enterprise value = a sum of claims of all the security-holders: debtholders, preferred shareholders, minority shareholders, common equity holders" before u copy pasted it?

[QUOTE="meronge"]

[QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"] lol he thinks stock market value shows how rich a company is.......if sony turned all their assets into cash, that is how much they would have, almost 3 times microsofts worth, so they are in fact the richer company.PS360_Gamer

the funny this is, the definition of enterprise value is Enterprise value (EV), Total enterprise value (TEV), or Firm value (FV) is an economic measure reflecting the market value of the whole business. It is a sum of claims of all the security-holders: debtholders, preferred shareholders, minority shareholders, common equity holders, and others. Enterprise value is one of the fundamental metrics used in business valuation, financial modeling, accounting, portfolio analysis, etc. (source wiki)

let me repeat once again, if i had 32 billion dollars, i could take over sony, the WHOLE business :) in theory

[QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"][QUOTE="meronge"]

the funny this is, the definition of enterprise value is Enterprise value (EV), Total enterprise value (TEV), or Firm value (FV) is an economic measure reflecting the market value of the whole business. It is a sum of claims of all the security-holders: debtholders, preferred shareholders, minority shareholders, common equity holders, and others. Enterprise value is one of the fundamental metrics used in business valuation, financial modeling, accounting, portfolio analysis, etc. (source wiki)

meronge

let me repeat once again, if i had 32 billion dollars, i could take over sony, the WHOLE business :) in theory

again, a SUM OF CLAIMS

[QUOTE="meronge"]

[QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"] again, market value does not show how rich a company is, Assets do, and total equity is the total assets after all liabilities are paid (this is the money share holders get after all liabilities are paid)....PS360_Gamer

let me repeat once again, if i had 32 billion dollars, i could take over sony, the WHOLE business :) in theory

again, a SUM OF CLAIMS

yup, therefore, i could buy sony with 32 billion :) thank you very much

[QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"]

[QUOTE="meronge"]

let me repeat once again, if i had 32 billion dollars, i could take over sony, the WHOLE business :) in theory

again, a SUM OF CLAIMS

yup, therefore, i could buy sony with 32 billion :) thank you very much

[QUOTE="meronge"]

[QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"] surely u understood this "Enterprise value = a sum of claims of all the security-holders: debtholders, preferred shareholders, minority shareholders, common equity holders" before u copy pasted it?

again, a SUM OF CLAIMS

PS360_Gamer

yup, therefore, i could buy sony with 32 billion :) thank you very much

let me REPEAT the deifintion of what Enterprise value is...."it's the estimation of the whole cost of a company you should pay in order to become its owner"

THEREFORE i would need 32 billion dollars to BUY sony and become the OWNER, why is it so HARD for you to understand it?

even http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q4_sony.pdf

states 122 billion total assets :) tell me where it says 200?

even http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q4_sony.pdf

states 122 billion total assets :) tell me where it says 200?

meronge

[QUOTE="meronge"]

even http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q4_sony.pdf

states 122 billion total assets :) tell me where it says 200?

screechmario

then sony is worth 26 billion :)

he's trying to say sony is worth 200 billion

[QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"][QUOTE="meronge"]

yup, therefore, i could buy sony with 32 billion :) thank you very much

let me REPEAT the deifintion of what Enterprise value is...."it's the estimation of the whole cost of a company you should pay in order to become its owner"

THEREFORE i would need 32 billion dollars to BUY sony and become the OWNER, why is it so HARD for you to understand it?

even http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q4_sony.pdf

states 122 billion total assets :) tell me where it says 200?

[QUOTE="meronge"]

[QUOTE="PS360_Gamer"] lol he thinks stock market value shows how rich a company is.......if sony turned all their assets into cash, that is how much they would have, almost 3 times microsofts worth, so they are in fact the richer company.PS360_Gamer

the funny this is, the definition of enterprise value is Enterprise value (EV), Total enterprise value (TEV), or Firm value (FV) is an economic measure reflecting the market value of the whole business. It is a sum of claims of all the security-holders: debtholders, preferred shareholders, minority shareholders, common equity holders, and others. Enterprise value is one of the fundamental metrics used in business valuation, financial modeling, accounting, portfolio analysis, etc. (source wiki)

surely u understood this "Enterprise value = a sum of claims of all the security-holders: debtholders, preferred shareholders, minority shareholders, common equity holders" before u copy pasted it?

[QUOTE="meronge"]

the funny this is, the definition of enterprise value is Enterprise value (EV), Total enterprise value (TEV), or Firm value (FV) is an economic measure reflecting the market value of the whole business. It is a sum of claims of all the security-holders: debtholders, preferred shareholders, minority shareholders, common equity holders, and others. Enterprise value is one of the fundamental metrics used in business valuation, financial modeling, accounting, portfolio analysis, etc. (source wiki)

surely u understood this "Enterprise value = a sum of claims of all the security-holders: debtholders, preferred shareholders, minority shareholders, common equity holders" before u copy pasted it?