Is BETHESDA better rpg developer over BIOWARE ?

SW ?

Do you consider BETHESDA GAME STUDIOS ( makers of Elder Scrolls Franchise , Fallout 3 ) better rpg developer than BIOWARE ( makers of Dragon Age , Mass Effect ) ?

While i'm a BIOWARE fan , i'll admit BETHESDA GAME STUDIOS certainly makes bestest sandbox rpg's .

What do you think ? :)

As far as RPG's are concerned ?
Bethesda is vastly superior in my eyes.

Bioware is a better rpg developer IMO for 3 reasons

1. story: Bioware games tend to have much better stores, and better more theatrical presented stories.

2. Combat: Bioware games have a huge range of interesting combat. Bethesda are almost all the same medeocry styIe from game to game.

3. Completion: Bioware game are better complieted out of the gate. Bethesda= expected lots of early glitches. LOTS OF EARLY GLITCHES

4(bonus). They gave us Kotor8)

But Bethesda does tend to give you more freedom of action/choice, even if it is blander action/choice

ehh...Bethesda is overrated anyway.

i like Japanese RPGs more because they do not obsess with realism. sure, fantasy is not reality but fantasy in WRPGs tend to totally mimic lore or whatever. they portray dragons, monsters as you would expect. they care too much about the anatomy of monsters, the reality of the world and the environment.

with Japanese RPGs, you get monsters that is like a mix of a ram and a dog, some crazy mechanics like summoning a giant diety/monster that is not a reference to any lore (think FF games), etc. very unconventional things like those are what i like about JRPGs.

and this becomes more apparent on other genres. with TPS in Japan you get the crazy Vanquish while here we get a realistic Gears (realistic in terms of physics, blood, even animations).

and i know this goes back to the history of art itself. Europeans were obsessing over the most realistic paintings (think Da Vinci, Michelangelo) with proportions of body to be precise, movements, perspecctive, 3D plane, etc. and that same era Japanese paintings looked like caricatures, they never cared about correct body proportion.

Bethesda is not as bad as Bioware, but still awful in their own ways.

Combat: Both are pretty bad in this department, but I guess I will hand it to Bioware, some of their games have combat that is actually tactical, like Dragon Age Origins. But I really wish Bioware could give up on RTwP and focus more on turn based combat. With the exception of Guild Wars RTwP has proven again and again to be nothing more than a mess. Oh yeah and Bioware has actually had decent encounter design, like in Baldur's Gate.
Roleplaying: Both make action games these days, with the exception of Origins and even that felt very lackluster in the RPG department, but I will give this to Bioware.
Story: Bioware is cliche and recycle the same plot over and over again. The true kings of cliche (or maybe that should be Naugthy Dog). Bethesda ruined Fallout lore. But overall I would give this to Bioware, because of Baldur's Gate 2 and KotoR
Fun Factor: I actually have fun for a few hours in Bethesda games (usually the first few before I notice all the flaws), whereas I am always bored playing a Bioware game. So I will go with Bethesda here.

Edit: Bethesda are not the best sandbox RPG devs anymore. Piranha Bytes, Taleworlds and Origin Systems are leagues better.

Average presentation values, average story telling, lame combat mechanisms. The only selling point for Bethesda's games is the open sandbox world. Everything else is average or below average.

Bethesda hasn't done an RPG since Morrowind.

BioWare has Dragon Age and Mass Effect 1 as RPGs on their side.

Even if BioWare only released one of them this gen they would still be ahead.

from being here for awhile it seems that everyone thinks Bethesda sucks. chaoz-king

Yet Skyrim is getting hyped like there's no tomorrow.
It's just SW herping the derp.

I only really like 1 game from each company. KOTOR (Bioware) and Fallout 3 (Bethesda). I've played them both through multiple times and enjoy them both a lot so I really can't decide. There both good games in there own right.

Yes, Bethesda is better than Bioware.

Hmm, there are 0 games they make this gen that I love so.... Betheda was better in the 90s; Bioware was better in 2000s.

I prefer Bethesda, love their open worlds, Dragon Age was awesome though, but then again FO3 is my favorite game of all time, soo ...Bethesda wins

I think you must be joking. Bethesda doesn't have the track record to stand toe to toe with Bioware. I'm not a fan of either though i'll say Bioware is far above Bethesda. Bioware is top 10, wile Bethesda is barely touching top 20.

Bioware are better but they have both been lousy this gen.

Yes they are better easily this is not even a question.

Bioware has been going down lately

Not to mention in terms of dlc..... bioware RARELY gives enough bang for the buck

Depends on whether you like your RPGs tight and well scripted or open and up to you.

Personally I love both kinds, and love both companies and see no reason to put one above the other. I will say right now I'm looking forward to skyrim more than ME3, but that's just because since the last ES game I've played two ME games to death.

Yes, way better. Skyrim will be the icing on the cake.

As far as RPG's are concerned ?
Bethesda is vastly superior in my eyes.

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As far as RPG's are concerned ?
Bethesda is vastly superior in my eyes.

MrSelf-Destruct

Bethesda hasn't done an RPG since Morrowind.

BioWare has Dragon Age and Mass Effect 1 as RPGs on their side.

Even if BioWare only released one of them this gen they would still be ahead.

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You can change the name Bethesda for any other, and the answer will be always no.

Solely concerning RPG elements? Probably, but as game developers overall, Bioware seem to put a tonne more effort into their games than Bethesda, and their QA testers are at least competent, unlike Bethesda's, so I'd say Bioware overall.TheOtherTheoG

I don't think so. Bethesda creates entire worlds. Bioware juts a couple of corridors separated by loading screens.

There was very little effort involved in DA II.

Or in Mass Effect 2.

I didn't know either made RPG's anymore.foxhound_fox

Bioware is an RPG developer? o.0

j/k

But in all seriousness, I prefer Bethesda's games, I just love exploring.

I prefer Bethesda's style of RPG, Bioware's games (particularly Mass Effect) never have got struck a chord with me as far as the RPG aspect of them go.

[QUOTE="TheOtherTheoG"]Solely concerning RPG elements? Probably, but as game developers overall, Bioware seem to put a tonne more effort into their games than Bethesda, and their QA testers are at least competent, unlike Bethesda's, so I'd say Bioware overall.GeneralShowzer

I don't think so. Bethesda creates entire worlds. Bioware juts a couple of corridors separated by loading screens.

There was very little effort involved in DA II.

Or in Mass Effect 2.

Mass Effect counts as more as an RPG to you than Oblivion? What is this I don't even...shakmaster13

Yeah, it does. You know, actually knowing what "RPG" stands for would help understanding my PoV ;)

bioware is better, the rpgs they made so far are epic, they had a few bad ones, but most are really good, im just worried with the direction they are taking, i hope dragon age 2 is just an isolated mistake and not a new policy on fooling their fanbase.

BioWare.

Although the quality is down from a few years ago, they still put a focus on writing and immersing a player into a world through that writing. Bethesda's efforts are far more amateur in comparison. Remember how many times those pointless conversations about mud crabs were repeated in Oblivion? A good RPG should always immerse a player into a fictional world, and allow him or her to assume a fictional role far more easily. BioWare does that, Bethesda does not.

Bestheda's games are slightly better in terms of exploration and gameplay, however.

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[QUOTE="TheOtherTheoG"]Solely concerning RPG elements? Probably, but as game developers overall, Bioware seem to put a tonne more effort into their games than Bethesda, and their QA testers are at least competent, unlike Bethesda's, so I'd say Bioware overall.TheOtherTheoG

I don't think so. Bethesda creates entire worlds. Bioware juts a couple of corridors separated by loading screens.

There was very little effort involved in DA II.

Or in Mass Effect 2.

If you are reffering to Mass Effect 2, it was too shallow to be imbalanced and too simple to be unpolished.I still got stuck in walls regulary though.

Ill give you cinematic, not that it means anything to me.

DA:O and Mass Effect had a lot of effort into them. But not their latest games.

Bathesda owns Bioware on many levels, gone are the days of kotor and Jade empire.lbjkurono23

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[QUOTE="TheOtherTheoG"]Solely concerning RPG elements? Probably, but as game developers overall, Bioware seem to put a tonne more effort into their games than Bethesda, and their QA testers are at least competent, unlike Bethesda's, so I'd say Bioware overall.TheOtherTheoG

I don't think so. Bethesda creates entire worlds. Bioware juts a couple of corridors separated by loading screens.

There was very little effort involved in DA II.

Or in Mass Effect 2.

You mean all the times I got stuck in the air thanks in Mass Effect 2 counts as polish? Or the terrible balance between classes? Or the beyond awful balance in DAO with redicilously overpowered spells like cone of cold and the general overpoweredness of mages. The Bioware games I have played are far from balanced, and the encounter design too is redicilously bad these days, with Dragon Age Origins being the epitome of terrible encounter design.

The only thing Bioware does well these days is storytelling and designing expansive universes. They do terrible choices and consequences, terrible map design, weak stories (especially plots), weak roleplaying and combat is usually pretty bad (DAO's was ok though, but got repetitive fast), side quests are also uninspired.

I could also mention that they do characterization very well at times. Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Legion are all great characters. But others, well I can just say I wish I could forget some of the cast in both ME1+2 and DAO.

Yes. By a lot.

Back when Bioware made KOTOR they were arguably better but Bioware has declined and fast over the last few years.

Skyrim simply looks fantastic. Bethesda is on an upwards spiral.

I find everything Bethesda does to be bland and dry as hell. BioWare games are miles more enjoyable.