I love the ps3 and sorta hate the xbox 360 but i honestly have to say....

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#1 Renzokucant
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Forza 2 in 2007 9.2 score

+ Forza 3 in 2009 9.5 score

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is greater than a GT5 perfect 10 for 1 reason.... and its the reason I hold PS3 to a higher regard than a 360.. and thats bang for your buck..... Ive been playin 2 awesome racing games for the past 4 years while watching trailers for GT5 for the past 5 to 6 years....

im sorry... but honestly... i have NO DOUBT that GT5 is going to be like... a 'movement' in the video game industry... i mean just imagine all the people that like cars... and all the people that have a ps3... and all the people that are waitin for gt5 to come out before they even buy a ps3.. its gona be huge no doubt... but still... i dont thinkg a perfect 10 is going to excuse nor warrant the 5 year development cycle... anyone else feel this way? like... no cow or lem thing here, you just recognize that GT5 is going to be rediculously huge... but even if it scores a 10.. its just a too little too late?

oh and PS.... god forbid forza 4 gets a 9.0 or 9.5 cause that would be the nail in the coffin for GT for me.. i mean, if your competitor can consistenly put out new games with new features and keep raising the bar and maintain a AAAE average every 2 years while you take 5 years... thats just bad business

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#2 right4dead
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GT5 is to racing games what mercedes benz is to cars

GT5 is to racing games what Sony is to electronics

LOL, see what i did there?

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#3 XboximusPrime
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I think itll sell well and be a good game. I dont expect more then that of anything.

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GT5 is to racing games what mercedes benz is to cars

GT5 is to racing games what Sony is to electronics

LOL, see what i did there?

right4dead

i see what you did there...

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#5 bphan
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GT5 is to racing games what mercedes benz is to cars

GT5 is to racing games what Sony is to electronics

LOL, see what i did there?

right4dead

I don't like mercedes benz.

Sony has been overtaken by samsung, apple.

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#6 LucidJubilation
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why would anybody hate a video game console:? its a wacky world....

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why would anybody hate a video game console:? its a wacky world....

LucidJubilation
because i spent 400$ on it when it came out and its broken more times than i can count on two hands... its a headache and a pain in my butt and i hate headaches and pains in my butt.. but it gives me gears of war so i only sorta hate it... see now?
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#8 XboximusPrime
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[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]

why would anybody hate a video game console:? its a wacky world....

Renzokucant

because i spent 400$ on it when it came out and its broken more times than i can count on two hands... its a headache and a pain in my butt and i hate headaches and pains in my butt.. but it gives me gears of war so i only sorta hate it... see now?

Mines technicaly only broken once, so I guess im lucky. and it wasnt even a RROD, it was a E74 error, which might as well be the same thing.

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i kind of agree its why i picked a 360 first and never really went back, not just gt5 just their big named games seemed to have been pushed back in years and there was 360 with dead rising and gears of war =D
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i kind of agree its why i picked a 360 first and never really went back, not just gt5 just their big named games seemed to have been pushed back in years and there was 360 with dead rising and gears of war =Dsavagetwinkie

Pretty much how I was. I got a 360 first because I couldnt resist the HD looks and I wanted Oblivion more then a Crackhead wants his next fix, then PS3 launched and I got that about 4 months after launch. Bumpy road from their in the beginning, but seems fine now.

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#11 Martin_G_N
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[QUOTE="right4dead"]

GT5 is to racing games what mercedes benz is to cars

GT5 is to racing games what Sony is to electronics

LOL, see what i did there?

bphan

I don't like mercedes benz.

Sony has been overtaken by samsung, apple.

Apple, LOL. Samsung I can agree with, they have good hardware for a good price. But Apple makes overpriced crap.

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[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]

why would anybody hate a video game console:? its a wacky world....

Renzokucant

because i spent 400$ on it when it came out and its broken more times than i can count on two hands... its a headache and a pain in my butt and i hate headaches and pains in my butt.. but it gives me gears of war so i only sorta hate it... see now?

it's absurd exaggerations like this that show the sheer amount of fanboyism there is out there. more than you can count on 2 hands?? please....:roll:

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[QUOTE="Renzokucant"][QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]

why would anybody hate a video game console:? its a wacky world....

lazerface216

because i spent 400$ on it when it came out and its broken more times than i can count on two hands... its a headache and a pain in my butt and i hate headaches and pains in my butt.. but it gives me gears of war so i only sorta hate it... see now?

it's absurd exaggerations like this that show the sheer amount of fanboyism there is out there. more than you can count on 2 hands?? please....:roll:

hey... i lost 6 fingers in the war boy...... how dare you.. show some respect :(
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What you get in one Gran Turismo game it takes 3 versions of Forza to make up for it so if you think about it it all evens out.

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#15 Renzokucant
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What you get in on Gran Turismo game it takes 3 versions of Forza to even compete with it so if you think about it it all evens out.jakarai
true, but i think most people would rather play now than later
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So COD is the best shooter because they can release an AAA a year? Give me a break.
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So COD is the best shooter because they can release an AAA a year? Give me a break.gamebreakerz__
in my opinion.. yes only if they continue to raise the bar and maintain the score..
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So COD is the best shooter because they can release an AAA a year? Give me a break.gamebreakerz__
As much as I don't like the yearly releases you have to suck it up and realize they got it right, and if you got a good thing you might as well milk it for what its worth.

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it's a trivial argument since they're both ferociously boring.

dirt 3> noon car sims.

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[QUOTE="bphan"]

[QUOTE="right4dead"]

GT5 is to racing games what mercedes benz is to cars

GT5 is to racing games what Sony is to electronics

LOL, see what i did there?

Martin_G_N

I don't like mercedes benz.

Sony has been overtaken by samsung, apple.

Apple, LOL. Samsung I can agree with, they have good hardware for a good price. But Apple makes overpriced crap.

I was actually going to say the opposite. Apple is quality. Samsung is crap.

Apple IPOD basically replaced the Sony walkman in terms of the ubiquitous portable audio device.Sony used to dominate that market before the MP3 players (and ipod) took over.Although the Sony MP3 Walkman of today are probably a better value than IPOD, it's too late for them. The IPOD is just what everyone associates with a portable MP3 player (like Reynolds Wrap is to aluminum foil and what the Walkman used to be). Obviously if you are talking computers Apple is grossly overpriced for their laptops and desktops. But their other electronics are pretty high quality, easy to use, and just plain cool.

As far as Samsungs, I presume you are talking televisions. Sony doesn't even make their own LCD panels as far as I know. Hell they might even use some Samsung manufactured panels. But somehow their televisions still seem so much better to me as far the polish they put into them, the quality of the tuner, the interface, and everything about them basically. Samsung's just seem to have alot of problems. Sony DVD/blu ray players are DEFINITELY better (samsung = crap in this department). Sony makes relatively average audio components equipment even at the highest end, but Samsung is just pure crap by comparison. Sony makes solid computers that are overpriced. Samsung makes crap computers regardless of price. And so on...

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#21 right4dead
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[QUOTE="right4dead"]

GT5 is to racing games what mercedes benz is to cars

GT5 is to racing games what Sony is to electronics

LOL, see what i did there?

bphan

I don't like mercedes benz.

Sony has been overtaken by samsung, apple.

your just plain wrong, sony is way better than samsung, and all apple does is make computers and phones, sony makes everything you can think of, not to mention has a music and movie company, and develops games

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[QUOTE="bphan"]

[QUOTE="right4dead"]

GT5 is to racing games what mercedes benz is to cars

GT5 is to racing games what Sony is to electronics

LOL, see what i did there?

right4dead

I don't like mercedes benz.

Sony has been overtaken by samsung, apple.

your just plain wrong, sony is way better than samsung, and all apple does is make computers and phones, sony makes everything you can think of, not to mention has a music and movie company, and develops games

but when you take 'electronics' into consideration. it is in fact, Samsung who's the biggest electronics company.

"In 2005, Samsung surpassed Japanese rival Sony for the first time to become the world's largest and most popular consumer electronics brand as measured by Interbrand" quoted from Wiki, but it's sourced from 'Interbrand' which I imagine to be a reliable source.

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[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"] because i spent 400$ on it when it came out and its broken more times than i can count on two hands... its a headache and a pain in my butt and i hate headaches and pains in my butt.. but it gives me gears of war so i only sorta hate it... see now?Renzokucant

it's absurd exaggerations like this that show the sheer amount of fanboyism there is out there. more than you can count on 2 hands?? please....:roll:

hey... i lost 6 fingers in the war boy...... how dare you.. show some respect :(

lol is this a joke?? if not, how the hell am i supposed to know that?

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So COD is the best shooter because they can release an AAA a year? Give me a break.gamebreakerz__

Actually i believe only MW1 and MW2 were AAA games (imo only CoD2 deserved it). On the other hand, all Forza games were AAA.

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Unless you are in a real Ferrari on a real track racing games are boring. I love to play at first but after a while I realise thatI am driving in a circle all day and unlike the real world you don't get the awesome G-forces stretching back your skin.

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GT5 is to racing games what mercedes benz is to cars

GT5 is to racing games what Sony is to electronics

LOL, see what i did there?

right4dead

I don't get it :?

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#27 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="Renzokucant"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]

it's absurd exaggerations like this that show the sheer amount of fanboyism there is out there. more than you can count on 2 hands?? please....:roll:

lazerface216

hey... i lost 6 fingers in the war boy...... how dare you.. show some respect :(

lol is this a joke?? if not, how the hell am i supposed to know that?

Of course it's a joke, they wouldn't be playing PS3 games with only 4 fingers...
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[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]

why would anybody hate a video game console:? its a wacky world....

Renzokucant

because i spent 400$ on it when it came out and its broken more times than i can count on two hands... its a headache and a pain in my butt and i hate headaches and pains in my butt.. but it gives me gears of war so i only sorta hate it... see now?

mines broke down maybe 3 times and i don't hate it in the slightest. infact i missed it while it was gone(getting repaired). ur to sensitive....

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I like games that have been released far more than ones that haven't. Also when these games go to 360 first the price for it is significantly cheaper on 360 and helps compensate for gold membership.

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#30 Renzokucant
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[QUOTE="Renzokucant"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]

it's absurd exaggerations like this that show the sheer amount of fanboyism there is out there. more than you can count on 2 hands?? please....:roll:

lazerface216

hey... i lost 6 fingers in the war boy...... how dare you.. show some respect :(

lol is this a joke?? if not, how the hell am i supposed to know that?

lol how would I game
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[QUOTE="bphan"]

[QUOTE="right4dead"]

GT5 is to racing games what mercedes benz is to cars

GT5 is to racing games what Sony is to electronics

LOL, see what i did there?

Martin_G_N

I don't like mercedes benz.

Sony has been overtaken by samsung, apple.

Apple, LOL. Samsung I can agree with, they have good hardware for a good price. But Apple makes overpriced crap.

Apple is expensive but never crap. Their iPhnes, iPods, MACs and anything that comes from them is made of pure quality from the hardware to the software... When you compare Windows to Apple's OS the difference islike night and day.

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[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

lol is this a joke?? if not, how the hell am i supposed to know that?

Renzokucant

lol how would I game

I had a friend that was missing a whole hand and he gamed just fine. Luckily his nub was on his left hand so he could just put it on the dpad or analog and had full control while is right full hand pushed the buttons. I don't think there were too many trigger games back then. However that dang nub was like a secret weapon when he played basketball, he would jab it in your ribs......dirty player.

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I was actually going to say the opposite. Apple is quality. Samsung is crap.

Apple IPOD basically replaced the Sony walkman in terms of the ubiquitous portable audio device.Sony used to dominate that market before the MP3 players (and ipod) took over.Although the Sony MP3 Walkman of today are probably a better value than IPOD, it's too late for them. The IPOD is just what everyone associates with a portable MP3 player (like Reynolds Wrap is to aluminum foil and what the Walkman used to be). Obviously if you are talking computers Apple is grossly overpriced for their laptops and desktops. But their other electronics are pretty high quality, easy to use, and just plain cool.

As far as Samsungs, I presume you are talking televisions. Sony doesn't even make their own LCD panels as far as I know. Hell they might even use some Samsung manufactured panels. But somehow their televisions still seem so much better to me as far the polish they put into them, the quality of the tuner, the interface, and everything about them basically. Samsung's just seem to have alot of problems. Sony DVD/blu ray players are DEFINITELY better (samsung = crap in this department). Sony makes relatively average audio components equipment even at the highest end, but Samsung is just pure crap by comparison. Sony makes solid computers that are overpriced. Samsung makes crap computers regardless of price. And so on...

2Chalupas

I disagree with the Samsung Sony opinion. I feel Samsung is on top of the marketplace when it comes to HDTVs. They pioneered LED TVs and currently have the best quality and most reasonably priced LED HDTVs. After comparing Sony, Samsung and Panasonic's 3D tech I also prefer Samsung. Also if you go to CNET and sort HDTVs by editor's review you have more Samsung TVs as the top highest rated for LCD, LED and 3D read TVs.

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[QUOTE="bphan"]

[QUOTE="right4dead"]

GT5 is to racing games what mercedes benz is to cars

GT5 is to racing games what Sony is to electronics

LOL, see what i did there?

Martin_G_N

I don't like mercedes benz.

Sony has been overtaken by samsung, apple.

Apple, LOL. Samsung I can agree with, they have good hardware for a good price. But Apple makes overpriced crap.

So you are saying that the Ipod has not taken over the Sony Walkman ?
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I too believe gt5 will be a "movement".

i do have toadmit that it will be the first game i would buy if i ever get around to picking up the 3d glasses that go with my tv.

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[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"] hey... i lost 6 fingers in the war boy...... how dare you.. show some respect :(Renzokucant

lol is this a joke?? if not, how the hell am i supposed to know that?

lol how would I game

NES? ;)

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These delays wouldnt be as painful except GT4 didnt come out until a year before PS3 launched. The launch of PS3 and releases of the GT series are not in sync to where GT5 could come out in say year 2 or 3 of PS3 lifecycle. If that were the case, no one would be saying anything about the 5 year development time. It took 4 years to develop GT4 after GT3, so why would you expect GT5 to take any less time? I don't need a Forza or GT every 2 years. That is overkill. Unlike a fictional racer like NFS or Motorstorm, tracks and cars in the real world do not change enough to have truly fresh content after only 2 years. You can improve other technical aspects, but the core content isn't going to change that much.
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So bang for your buck is relative to age of something? Odd.

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[QUOTE="Renzokucant"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]

lol is this a joke?? if not, how the hell am i supposed to know that?

coasterguy65

lol how would I game

NES? ;)

kinect!!
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people who hate consoles make me wanna lol
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I hate the X console because it's not real...man that thing sucks.

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#42 Martin_G_N
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[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

[QUOTE="bphan"]

I don't like mercedes benz.

Sony has been overtaken by samsung, apple.

2Chalupas

Apple, LOL. Samsung I can agree with, they have good hardware for a good price. But Apple makes overpriced crap.

I was actually going to say the opposite. Apple is quality. Samsung is crap.

Apple IPOD basically replaced the Sony walkman in terms of the ubiquitous portable audio device.Sony used to dominate that market before the MP3 players (and ipod) took over.Although the Sony MP3 Walkman of today are probably a better value than IPOD, it's too late for them. The IPOD is just what everyone associates with a portable MP3 player (like Reynolds Wrap is to aluminum foil and what the Walkman used to be). Obviously if you are talking computers Apple is grossly overpriced for their laptops and desktops. But their other electronics are pretty high quality, easy to use, and just plain cool.

As far as Samsungs, I presume you are talking televisions. Sony doesn't even make their own LCD panels as far as I know. Hell they might even use some Samsung manufactured panels. But somehow their televisions still seem so much better to me as far the polish they put into them, the quality of the tuner, the interface, and everything about them basically. Samsung's just seem to have alot of problems. Sony DVD/blu ray players are DEFINITELY better (samsung = crap in this department). Sony makes relatively average audio components equipment even at the highest end, but Samsung is just pure crap by comparison. Sony makes solid computers that are overpriced. Samsung makes crap computers regardless of price. And so on...

I came out a bit strong with my statement:p. Apple is'nt exactly crap, but they have extremely overpriced hardware. Samsung has alot of massproduced Tv's that are crap, but they're best TV's are not crap. I am just sick of all these apple fanatics that thinks it's the second coming whenever they release a new shiny thing. The fact that you can't change your battery in an Iphone is pathetic alone, it also gets damaged pretty easily aswell. Both the Ipod and the Iphone has one big flaw, and that is itunes. You have to have it to transfer stuff, and that is my biggest complain. Sure, the build quality is very good when it comes to looks, but I doubt they beat Sony in durability. Apple's laptops feels very tight and solid, but for the same price you get a normal Windows laptop with better screen, hardware, and more freedom. Sony makes alot of different products, which is challenging. Everything from rubbish phones, to high end TV's that are very solid. Compared to Apple which only makes a handfull of expensive high end products that does'nt handle temperature changes.