I hope Fallout New Vegas have the VATS system...

If Fallout New Vegas doesn't have the VATS system, then this is going to be a turn off for me. I really like the VATS system in Fallout 3 and it would be disappointing if New Vegas didn't have it. I herd that this game is being made by Obsidian, I don't know who Obsidian is or know what games they havedeveloped but I hope they don't change Fallout too much. I like the gameplay of Fallout 3 and I'm hoping that they bring it to New Vegas.

I highly doubt they'd not use it, considering the time frame for the game, along with what they did with KOTOR. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I highly doubt they'd not use it, considering the time frame for the game, along with what they did with KOTOR. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Legendaryscmt

I don't know people are making all these blind speculations when we knoww virtually nothing about the game except for its title and developer.

They're going to do whatever they think is best. And considering the first Fallouts' VATS system is very close to 3's, New Vegas will probably follow suit. Maybe it will be improved in some way. Who really cares? Sit tight and find out when they reveal the game.

I don't know people are making all these blind speculations when we knoww virtually nothing about the game except for its title and developer.

They're going to do whatever they think is best. And considering the first Fallouts' VATS system is very close to 3's, New Vegas will probably follow suit. Maybe it will be improved in some way. Who really cares? Sit tight and find out when they reveal the game.

ShaneBeck

Who cares? I care. I love the VATS system in Fallout 3. I hope they just tweak it just a little bit but not change it completey.

I hope they ditch VATS. It would create nothing short of problems in an MMO. Think about the time when the person is zoomed in, the battle would have to pause for others or it just comes down to who can click the Head part the fastest. I would personally like a game more like Fallout 1 and 2 but I am probably in the minority here. For those interested in the gameplay of it though look at their main website http://www.obsidianent.com/poll/poll-combatsystem-20090219.html and the poll. Guess what is winning ;).

I hope they ditch VATS. It would create nothing short of problems in an MMO. Think about the time when the person is zoomed in, the battle would have to pause for others or it just comes down to who can click the Head part the fastest. I would personally like a game more like Fallout 1 and 2 but I am probably in the minority here. For those interested in the gameplay of it though look at their main website http://www.obsidianent.com/poll/poll-combatsystem-20090219.html and the poll. Guess what is winning ;).

Whiteblade999

I hope they ditch VATS. It would create nothing short of problems in an MMO. Think about the time when the person is zoomed in, the battle would have to pause for others or it just comes down to who can click the Head part the fastest. I would personally like a game more like Fallout 1 and 2 but I am probably in the minority here. For those interested in the gameplay of it though look at their main website http://www.obsidianent.com/poll/poll-combatsystem-20090219.html and the poll. Guess what is winning ;).

Whiteblade999

I hope they ditch VATS. It would create nothing short of problems in an MMO. Think about the time when the person is zoomed in, the battle would have to pause for others or it just comes down to who can click the Head part the fastest. I would personally like a game more like Fallout 1 and 2 but I am probably in the minority here. For those interested in the gameplay of it though look at their main website http://www.obsidianent.com/poll/poll-combatsystem-20090219.html and the poll. Guess what is winning ;).

Whiteblade999

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I hope they ditch VATS. It would create nothing short of problems in an MMO. Think about the time when the person is zoomed in, the battle would have to pause for others or it just comes down to who can click the Head part the fastest. I would personally like a game more like Fallout 1 and 2 but I am probably in the minority here. For those interested in the gameplay of it though look at their main website http://www.obsidianent.com/poll/poll-combatsystem-20090219.html and the poll. Guess what is winning ;).

ShaneBeck

Too bad thats not going to happrn.

Too bad thats not going to happrn.

Soulja_West

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]

Too bad thats not going to happrn.

ShaneBeck

The main designer is the same guy that was the main designer for the old F3, before it was cancelled.

This is NOT a short timeframe. They have more than 18 months to work on it. The assets, which took Bethesda more than a year to make, are already there.

Obsidian is used to working very fast anyway - KOTOR 2 was completed in 9 months, and they rewrote the original KOTOR engine for it during these months...

Since it's a spin-off, I do hope they'll make it isometric. The engine is not Bethesda's engine, it's a middleware that is genre and platform agnostic - every modern Sid Meier game is using it, for example.

VATS sucks and it's not similar in any way to turn-based combat.

We can make a bet if you're so confident.

Soulja_West

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]We can make a bet if you're so confident.

ShaneBeck

If you don't want to bet then we have nothing esle to talk about.

If you don't want to bet then we have nothing esle to talk about.

Soulja_West

I really hope they go back to what they had planned for Van Buren. I'm tired of the absurdly easy gameplay with vats.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]

If you don't want to bet then we have nothing esle to talk about.

ShaneBeck

I really hope they go back to what they had planned for Van Buren. I'm tired of the absurdly easy gameplay with vats.Vandalvideo

okay...

I hope they ditch VATS. It would create nothing short of problems in an MMO. Think about the time when the person is zoomed in, the battle would have to pause for others or it just comes down to who can click the Head part the fastest. I would personally like a game more like Fallout 1 and 2 but I am probably in the minority here. For those interested in the gameplay of it though look at their main website http://www.obsidianent.com/poll/poll-combatsystem-20090219.html and the poll. Guess what is winning ;).

Whiteblade999

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

I hope they ditch VATS. It would create nothing short of problems in an MMO. Think about the time when the person is zoomed in, the battle would have to pause for others or it just comes down to who can click the Head part the fastest. I would personally like a game more like Fallout 1 and 2 but I am probably in the minority here. For those interested in the gameplay of it though look at their main website http://www.obsidianent.com/poll/poll-combatsystem-20090219.html and the poll. Guess what is winning ;).

hiphops_savior

No, they don't. They have a turn-based combat system, which is not the same thing as pausing the game.

Yeah or something better. i hope they can add more challenge.

I wouldn't mind if New Vegas is an isometric game that throws back to FO 1 and 2, but god...if they go that route, I hope they don't bring back the clunky...click and walk...click and walk. I don't mind a slow pace, but that really hinders my enjoyment of the first two games.

People know nothing about this game yet I know one guy calliin it an expasnion pack instead of a new game.

People know nothing about this game yet I know one guy calliin it an expasnion pack instead of a new game.

Mercenary848

Yeah.

Since Obsidian is doing it all the old Fallout fans want it to go one way, while those that love Fallout 3 want it to be an improved follow-up. These two very different cases of hope are going to give birth to a lot of speculation until we actually learn something about the game.

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

People know nothing about this game yet I know one guy calliin it an expasnion pack instead of a new game.

Yeah.

Since Obsidian is doing it all the old Fallout fans want it to go one way, while those that love Fallout 3 want it to be an improved follow-up. These two very different cases of hope are going to give birth to a lot of speculation until we actually learn something about the game.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

People know nothing about this game yet I know one guy calliin it an expasnion pack instead of a new game.

Soulja_West

Yeah.

Since Obsidian is doing it all the old Fallout fans want it to go one way, while those that love Fallout 3 want it to be an improved follow-up. These two very different cases of hope are going to give birth to a lot of speculation until we actually learn something about the game.

I believe that too.

In fact, I believe Giant Bomb reported that Bethesda said it's going to be the same type of game as Fallout 3. I think the most old school Fallout fans can hope for is Obsidian injecting more of the ol' Fallout atmosphere and quality dialog into Fallout New Vegas...which would be interesting. Fallout 3 had really good dialog for the most part, but it didn't top the high bar set by the originals...which are hilarious.

I don't know people are making all these blind speculations when we knoww virtually nothing about the game except for its title and developer.

They're going to do whatever they think is best. And considering the first Fallouts' VATS system is very close to 3's, New Vegas will probably follow suit. Maybe it will be improved in some way. Who really cares? Sit tight and find out when they reveal the game.

ShaneBeck

Not really. The original two game required tactics. VATS is really just an unfair advantage.

As long as its not turnbased, I don't care.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

People know nothing about this game yet I know one guy calliin it an expasnion pack instead of a new game.

Soulja_West

Yeah.

Since Obsidian is doing it all the old Fallout fans want it to go one way, while those that love Fallout 3 want it to be an improved follow-up. These two very different cases of hope are going to give birth to a lot of speculation until we actually learn something about the game.

So did Oblivion and just look what happened to that.

I hope they ditch VATS and the FPS view and make a real RPG just like Fallout 1 & 2.

I dont have a problem with the FPP,or first person combat persay,however Obsidian needs to not make the game soo dumbed down..

tweak the Vats and combat mechanics so stats actually matter.for example, if you have little points in small guns,you aint hitting ****.none of this catering to the mainstream. deeper dialogue and gameplay with actual choice and consequences.none of this "give radiated bum more water to redeem yourself"crap,actual consequences,that you have to live with,if you don't like how something plays out,tough .load up a previous save.

but this is wishful thinking on my part...who knows? I guess i'll find out more down the road.Now i'll wait for EK andy's reply to tell me how wrong i am,as well as try and force me to say "Fallout3 is da bestest RPG eVA!",..and that "Bethesda are gods" :roll:

As long as its not turnbased, I don't care.

Gta3-fan334

I dont have a problem with the FPP,or first person combat persay,however Obsidian needs to not make the game soo dumbed down..

tweak the Vats and combat mechanics so stats actually matter.for example, if you have little points in small guns,you aint hitting ****.none of this catering to the mainstream. deeper dialogue and gameplay with actual choice and consequences.none of this "give radiated bum more water to redeem yourself"crap,actual consequences,that you have to live with,if you don't like how something plays out,tough .load up a previous save.

but this is wishful thinking on my part...who knows? I guess i'll find out more down the road.Now i'll wait for EK andy's reply to tell me how wrong i am,as well as try and force me to say "Fallout3 is da bestest RPG eVA!",..and that "Bethesda are gods" :roll:

Kandlegoat

I dont have a problem with the FPP,or first person combat persay,however Obsidian needs to not make the game soo dumbed down..

tweak the Vats and combat mechanics so stats actually matter.for example, if you have little points in small guns,you aint hitting ****.none of this catering to the mainstream. deeper dialogue and gameplay with actual choice and consequences.none of this "give radiated bum more water to redeem yourself"crap,actual consequences,that you have to live with,if you don't like how something plays out,tough .load up a previous save.

but this is wishful thinking on my part...who knows? I guess i'll find out more down the road.Now i'll wait for EK andy's reply to tell me how wrong i am,as well as try and force me to say "Fallout3 is da bestest RPG eVA!",..and that "Bethesda are gods" :roll:

Kandlegoat

This is the best post I've read this morning.

Fallout 3's roleplaying was underdeveloped in almost every aspect.

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

I dont have a problem with the FPP,or first person combat persay,however Obsidian needs to not make the game soo dumbed down..

tweak the Vats and combat mechanics so stats actually matter.for example, if you have little points in small guns,you aint hitting ****.none of this catering to the mainstream. deeper dialogue and gameplay with actual choice and consequences.none of this "give radiated bum more water to redeem yourself"crap,actual consequences,that you have to live with,if you don't like how something plays out,tough .load up a previous save.

but this is wishful thinking on my part...who knows? I guess i'll find out more down the road.Now i'll wait for EK andy's reply to tell me how wrong i am,as well as try and force me to say "Fallout3 is da bestest RPG eVA!",..and that "Bethesda are gods" :roll:

aliblabla2007

This is the best post I've read this morning.

Fallout 3's roleplaying was underdeveloped in almost every aspect.

pretty much,i don't know what beth's deal is with treating everyone like they're 10 yrs old,I can understand appealing to the mainstream,however they should Challenge them,not Cater to them.,

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

I dont have a problem with the FPP,or first person combat persay,however Obsidian needs to not make the game soo dumbed down..

tweak the Vats and combat mechanics so stats actually matter.for example, if you have little points in small guns,you aint hitting ****.none of this catering to the mainstream. deeper dialogue and gameplay with actual choice and consequences.none of this "give radiated bum more water to redeem yourself"crap,actual consequences,that you have to live with,if you don't like how something plays out,tough .load up a previous save.

but this is wishful thinking on my part...who knows? I guess i'll find out more down the road.Now i'll wait for EK andy's reply to tell me how wrong i am,as well as try and force me to say "Fallout3 is da bestest RPG eVA!",..and that "Bethesda are gods" :roll:

redbaron3

Exactly,You have crap Gun skill, (small,big,or energy)then you shoot like crap.

and I also like to add that Obsidian needs to do away with this lameass bobblehead BS,as well as stupid perks like that change your S.P.E.C.I.A.L cheating crap.whatever you put into your SPECIAL at the start,you're stuck with,don't like it?...then make another character....not rocket science...

I think it's going to be Fallout 3 in Vegas. I'd be surprised if they made any major differences to the system.

I think it's going to be Fallout 3 in Vegas. I'd be surprised if they made any major differences to the system.

MrDziekuje

Nah,I think there will be some changes.I really think this is Beth's way to try and appeal to the older fans. I mean if what you say is the case and they're just gonna make a Fallout 3 in a different setting,why bother having a spinoff done by another dev at all?..they could just sit on the IP until Elder Scrolls V is done,then start fallout 4 and have it in Vegas.

either of us could be right though...we'll see when they make more announcements.

[QUOTE="MrDziekuje"]

I think it's going to be Fallout 3 in Vegas. I'd be surprised if they made any major differences to the system.

Nah,I think there will be some changes.I really think this is Beth's way to try and appeal to the older fans. I mean if what you say is the case and they're just gonna make a Fallout 3 in a different setting,why bother having a spinoff done by another dev at all?..they could just sit on the IP until Elder Scrolls V is done,then start fallout 4 and have it in Vegas.

either of us could be right though...we'll see when they make more announcements.

I really hope they go back to what they had planned for Van Buren. I'm tired of the absurdly easy gameplay with vats.Vandalvideo

The VATS system was pretty cool in Fallout 3. Without it, it wouldn't have been the same.

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="MrDziekuje"]

I think it's going to be Fallout 3 in Vegas. I'd be surprised if they made any major differences to the system.

Soulja_West

Nah,I think there will be some changes.I really think this is Beth's way to try and appeal to the older fans. I mean if what you say is the case and they're just gonna make a Fallout 3 in a different setting,why bother having a spinoff done by another dev at all?..they could just sit on the IP until Elder Scrolls V is done,then start fallout 4 and have it in Vegas.

either of us could be right though...we'll see when they make more announcements.

You won't resist the hype machine.

Oh and that to. I don't like turn based games.Soulja_West

Changing the gameplay might make beth loose some fans including me.Soulja_West

Changing the gameplay back to turn-based might bring back fans of the first two games, who hated Fallout 3's VATS lame-ness.
I mean, Fallout New Vegas is clearly aimed at the fans of the original games, so it would make sense if its gameplay is more like theirs.

The one problem I had with Obsidian is that they never seem to optimized their games well. Neverwinter Nights 2 is a really good RPG, but the bugs are just ridiculous and often times ruin the game for me.hiphops_savior

Fallout 3 was also a buggy mess, initially. I don't think Obsidian will be any worse.

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="MrDziekuje"]

I think it's going to be Fallout 3 in Vegas. I'd be surprised if they made any major differences to the system.

Soulja_West

Nah,I think there will be some changes.I really think this is Beth's way to try and appeal to the older fans. I mean if what you say is the case and they're just gonna make a Fallout 3 in a different setting,why bother having a spinoff done by another dev at all?..they could just sit on the IP until Elder Scrolls V is done,then start fallout 4 and have it in Vegas.

either of us could be right though...we'll see when they make more announcements.

this is a spinoff,not Fallout 4,so you could always just wait for Fallout 4.besides, I know this is hard to believe,but fallout series did have a large cult following long before the bethsoft kiddies hijacked it..so this game is more or less gonna probably be more for the old fans. Relax, you're still gonna have your Lvl scaling ,Bobblehead collecting,Explosion Fest in Fallout 4,so don't worry ;)

but yeah screw the old fans completely,and only cater to you right? :|

oh btw,I noticed how you sometimes like to just type "Fallout 3 got AAA acrosss the boards",whenever you lack anything to say..but guess what?..I play and judge games on my own personal experience regardless of popularity,I'm not some sheep that blindly follows whatever is big. ;)