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#1 Guess_With_ReX
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What can you co nsole gamers say now? I am going to play Crysis on 80 cores!


I feel sorry for you console gamers!

but really, 80 cores O_o thats just awesome, but what does that actually mean?

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12765/Intel-Unveils-80-Core-Programmable-Processor/

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#2 O_Lineman17
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It simply means:


That is freakin amazing!!!!! wooowww that's awesome
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Yeah...like you have it . BUt can you imagine the next gen 6 years from now with those kinds of processors !!!Heck even half of that would blow me away.
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#4 cobrax25
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It would suck for gaming, since as of now, very few games are able to take advantage of dual-core. This is mostly gonna be used (if it is) for servers.
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#5 -KinGz-
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It simply means:


That is freakin amazing!!!!! wooowww that's awesome
O_Lineman17
lol when did I said that? :) ur sig xD.
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#6 SpruceCaboose
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    "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
    ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
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#7 Guess_With_ReX
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Dude, relaly i have no idea what processors do, but I knw that if the have 4 cores now , and games like crysis is out, imagine 80 O_O
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[QUOTE="O_Lineman17"]It simply means:


That is freakin amazing!!!!! wooowww that's awesome
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lol when did I said that? :) ur sig xD.

LOL, I remember that episode :lol:
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[QUOTE="Guess_With_ReX"]Dude, relaly i have no idea what processors do, but I knw that if the have 4 cores now , and games like crysis is out, imagine 80 O_O


    Really, this means nothing to most people for the next 5 years, at least. Its great future-vision, but kinda worthless right now.
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#10 -GeordiLaForge-
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If you read about the processor, you'll learn that it's strikingly similar to the Cell processor. They share a lot of characteristics. When I say that Intel is moving to a similar architecture in about 5 years, that's what I'm talking about.
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"Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
SpruceCaboose
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know... ;)
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#12 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
dgsag
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know... ;)

Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.
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teh uber pc
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#14 Guess_With_ReX
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[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
-GeordiLaForge-
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know... ;)

Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.

Says who?
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Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.-GeordiLaForge-

Hardly. Maybe with years and years of time and millions of dollars, the Cell may be better than current desktop processors....But i'd love to know what games you play that have little or no need for branch prediction.

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[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
-GeordiLaForge-
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know...)/QUOTE] Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.



Lol...no.  The Cell is actually horribly designed for a game console, its main goal is as a HD de-compresser, which is what it will mostly be used for (All toshiba/sony HDTV's from now on will use it).  It has amazing FP potential, however is complete lack of branch prediction and very specialized nature actually make it very poor for a game processor.  Luckily it is still POSSIBLE to use it for consoles, and with care it can work great.  But a Core 2 Duo would Murder it for game design.
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#17 StonedCaO
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You guys should check Intel's tech brief on that processor - it's on just about any PC hardware site. It's an amazing @#$%ing piece of hardware.
And anyways, for now, that 80 core proc is for research. Chances are, we won't be seeing technology like this in the mainstream for another half decade.
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#18 thirstychainsaw
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Pffffhhh...that's only 79 more cores than my processor :|
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
Cali3350
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know...)

Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.



Lol...no. The Cell is actually horribly designed for a game console, its main goal is as a HD de-compresser, which is what it will mostly be used for (All toshiba/sony HDTV's from now on will use it). It has amazing FP potential, however is complete lack of branch prediction and very specialized nature actually make it very poor for a game processor. Luckily it is still POSSIBLE to use it for consoles, and with care it can work great. But a Core 2 Duo would Murder it for game design.

The Core 2 Duo is an out of order cpu due to the multiple software and cpu variations. Computer code cannot be optimized for in line execution in desktop processors because of the big variation of desktop cpu's, which is why the Cell isn't in Desktops. The Cell is actually a better console cpu than the Core 2 Duo because of it's highly specialized SPE's and performance enhancing features, such as an on die memory controller. The biggest of these Cell features though are the space saving features that allowed more processing units to be placed on the same small die size. These include the simple in order cores, SMT (on die multi threading), simplified dynamic logic, and the double benefit of lower transistor count and greater predictability of the SPE's local memory. The SPE's are a beautiful thing. They use in order execution, so they can churn out data at a faster rate thanks to the shorter pipelining that comes along with the lack of hardware logic. And to get around the potentially disastrous latency caused by cache, the SPE's use local memory instead of traditional cache. Traditional cache's hardware logic would be unpredictable, and would cause the SPE's to sit idle while the appropriate data that isn't in the cache is found in main memory. The decision to use local memory instead takes the unpredictability out of the cache equation and also reduces transistor count. But it does have a very small disadvantage, the SPE's will have to waste cycles to manage their own local memory. But the benefits definitely outweigh the disadvantages. A smart programmer with a good compiler can turn the local memory into a huge advantage when implementing in order execution. The cell really is a great processor for a video game console. In fact, Intel is moving to a very similar architecture in about 5 years. I can't wait to see what it can do once the developers learn how to program for it's highly specialized nature.
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[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
-GeordiLaForge-
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know... ;)

Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.

uhhh....who told you that BS?
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
Dreams-Visions
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know... ;)

Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.

uhhh....who told you that BS?

The Core 2 Duo is an out of order cpu due to the multiple software and cpu variations. Computer code cannot be optimized for in line execution in desktop processors because of the big variation of desktop cpu's, which is why the Cell isn't in Desktops. The Cell is actually a better console cpu than the Core 2 Duo because of it's highly specialized SPE's and performance enhancing features, such as an on die memory controller. The biggest of these Cell features though are the space saving features that allowed more processing units to be placed on the same small die size. These include the simple in order cores, SMT (on die multi threading), simplified dynamic logic, and the double benefit of lower transistor count and greater predictability of the SPE's local memory. The SPE's are a beautiful thing. They use in order execution, so they can churn out data at a faster rate thanks to the shorter pipelining that comes along with the lack of hardware logic. And to get around the potentially disastrous latency caused by cache, the SPE's use local memory instead of traditional cache. Traditional cache's hardware logic would be unpredictable, and would cause the SPE's to sit idle while the appropriate data that isn't in the cache is found in main memory. The decision to use local memory instead takes the unpredictability out of the cache equation and also reduces transistor count. But it does have a very small disadvantage, the SPE's will have to waste cycles to manage their own local memory. But the benefits definitely outweigh the disadvantages. A smart programmer with a good compiler can turn the local memory into a huge advantage when implementing in order execution. The cell really is a great processor for a video game console. In fact, Intel is moving to a very similar architecture in about 5 years. I can't wait to see what it can do once the developers learn how to program for it's highly specialized nature.
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They're 80 SIMPLE processors BTW......
[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
-GeordiLaForge-
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know... ;)

Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.

Actually the Cell is horrible for gaming code.
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#23 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]They're 80 SIMPLE processors BTW......
[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
-GeordiLaForge-
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know... ;)

Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.

Actually the Cell is horrible for gaming code.

For normal gaming code, yes. But once the appropriate FP code is written, the Cell will do truly amazing things. Read the post above yours...
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The Xbox360 being a million times easier to develop for and having a larger marketshare will make devs not waste their time coding for the Cell.
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The Xbox360 being a million times easier to develop for and having a larger marketshare will make devs not waste their time coding for the Cell.X360PS3AMD05
That may be. We'll have to wait and see if the Cell's true power is ever tapped...
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[QUOTE="Cali3350"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
-GeordiLaForge-
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know...)

Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.



Lol...no. The Cell is actually horribly designed for a game console, its main goal is as a HD de-compresser, which is what it will mostly be used for (All toshiba/sony HDTV's from now on will use it). It has amazing FP potential, however is complete lack of branch prediction and very specialized nature actually make it very poor for a game processor. Luckily it is still POSSIBLE to use it for consoles, and with care it can work great. But a Core 2 Duo would Murder it for game design.

The Core 2 Duo is an out of order cpu due to the multiple software and cpu variations. Computer code cannot be optimized for in line execution in desktop processors because of the big variation of desktop cpu's, which is why the Cell isn't in Desktops. The Cell is actually a better console cpu than the Core 2 Duo because of it's highly specialized SPE's and performance enhancing features, such as an on die memory controller. The biggest of these Cell features though are the space saving features that allowed more processing units to be placed on the same small die size. These include the simple in order cores, SMT (on die multi threading), simplified dynamic logic, and the double benefit of lower transistor count and greater predictability of the SPE's local memory. The SPE's are a beautiful thing. They use in order execution, so they can churn out data at a faster rate thanks to the shorter pipelining that comes along with the lack of hardware logic. And to get around the potentially disastrous latency caused by cache, the SPE's use local memory instead of traditional cache. Traditional cache's hardware logic would be unpredictable, and would cause the SPE's to sit idle while the appropriate data that isn't in the cache is found in main memory. The decision to use local memory instead takes the unpredictability out of the cache equation and also reduces transistor count. But it does have a very small disadvantage, the SPE's will have to waste cycles to manage their own local memory. But the benefits definitely outweigh the disadvantages. A smart programmer with a good compiler can turn the local memory into a huge advantage when implementing in order execution. The cell really is a great processor for a video game console. In fact, Intel is moving to a very similar architecture in about 5 years. I can't wait to see what it can do once the developers learn how to program for it's highly specialized nature.

Where'd you copy all that mumbo jumbo from? First off, SPE's are essentially processing cores. Sony just has a fancy-ass name for them. Second of all, on die memory controllers have been implemented in AMD processors. It's not that great, cuz it creates CPU overhead on memory performance. A separate memory controller would be better. And I don't think any AMD has won a benchmark against even the lowliest of the Core 2 Duo family, to put it into perspective how much an "on die memory controller" can do. Furthermore, intel's 80 core thingamabob already surpassed the cell. They clearly are NOT going in the same direction, for they aren't looking to put more processing cores on one layer of a die. Doing that would make it necessary to increase the front-side-bus that the processor uses, and that has its limits. Their new approach to it is to stack die layers on top of one another, creating a mesh network that's already put 10 times as many processing cores on the same die size as the cell. How'd this turn into a discussion for the cell processor anyways?
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]The Xbox360 being a million times easier to develop for and having a larger marketshare will make devs not waste their time coding for the Cell.-GeordiLaForge-
That may be. We'll have to wait and see if the Cell's true power is ever tapped...

Well according to Phil Harrison, the Cell's full potential will never be reached.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/mtv/phil-harrison-nobody-will-ever-use-100-of-ps3s-capability-222799.php

I know he's just a PR guy but still. Kind of disheatening to see one of their own say that.

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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Cali3350"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
StonedCaO
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know...)

Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.



Lol...no. The Cell is actually horribly designed for a game console, its main goal is as a HD de-compresser, which is what it will mostly be used for (All toshiba/sony HDTV's from now on will use it). It has amazing FP potential, however is complete lack of branch prediction and very specialized nature actually make it very poor for a game processor. Luckily it is still POSSIBLE to use it for consoles, and with care it can work great. But a Core 2 Duo would Murder it for game design.

The Core 2 Duo is an out of order cpu due to the multiple software and cpu variations. Computer code cannot be optimized for in line execution in desktop processors because of the big variation of desktop cpu's, which is why the Cell isn't in Desktops. The Cell is actually a better console cpu than the Core 2 Duo because of it's highly specialized SPE's and performance enhancing features, such as an on die memory controller. The biggest of these Cell features though are the space saving features that allowed more processing units to be placed on the same small die size. These include the simple in order cores, SMT (on die multi threading), simplified dynamic logic, and the double benefit of lower transistor count and greater predictability of the SPE's local memory. The SPE's are a beautiful thing. They use in order execution, so they can churn out data at a faster rate thanks to the shorter pipelining that comes along with the lack of hardware logic. And to get around the potentially disastrous latency caused by cache, the SPE's use local memory instead of traditional cache. Traditional cache's hardware logic would be unpredictable, and would cause the SPE's to sit idle while the appropriate data that isn't in the cache is found in main memory. The decision to use local memory instead takes the unpredictability out of the cache equation and also reduces transistor count. But it does have a very small disadvantage, the SPE's will have to waste cycles to manage their own local memory. But the benefits definitely outweigh the disadvantages. A smart programmer with a good compiler can turn the local memory into a huge advantage when implementing in order execution. The cell really is a great processor for a video game console. In fact, Intel is moving to a very similar architecture in about 5 years. I can't wait to see what it can do once the developers learn how to program for it's highly specialized nature.

Where'd you copy all that mumbo jumbo from? First off, SPE's are essentially processing cores. Sony just has a fancy-ass name for them. Second of all, on die memory controllers have been implemented in AMD processors. It's not that great, cuz it creates CPU overhead on memory performance. A separate memory controller would be better. And I don't think any AMD has won a benchmark against even the lowliest of the Core 2 Duo family, to put it into perspective how much an "on die memory controller" can do. Furthermore, intel's 80 core thingamabob already surpassed the cell. They clearly are NOT going in the same direction, for they aren't looking to put more processing cores on one layer of a die. Doing that would make it necessary to increase the front-side-bus that the processor uses, and that has its limits. Their new approach to it is to stack die layers on top of one another, creating a mesh network that's already put 10 times as many processing cores on the same die size as the cell. How'd this turn into a discussion for the cell processor anyways?

First off, all of that is straight from my brain. Try and find it someplace else. Thought so... And I know that SPE's and SPU's are the same thing. And I listed the memory controller as the MOST MINOR performance enhancing feature. And the on die memory controller creates absolutely no more overhead to the cpu. It just provides an incredible amount of bandwidth between the memory controller and cpu, nothing more. This actually reduces latency, and improves performance GREATLY. And the fact that an OLD AMD architecture can pretty much keep up with Intel's newest chips speaks volumes in itself. And apparently you haven't heard of the K8L. AMD's response to the Core 2 Duo is going to smoke anything Intel has on the market. And Intel is in fact looking to increase the amount of cores on dies by reducing the logic that is only there because there are so many types of desktop processors out there. They're counting on the size of their userbase to make the technology take off. Will it work? We'll have to wait atleast 5 years to find out.
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#29 StonedCaO
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Hey, I ain't putting down AMD - the K8 should give Intel a good run for its money, but I'm not gonna reference something that's not even out yet. As for the variety of desktop processors out there, variety is the spice of life and competition drives the technology forward. In the end, it only benefits the end users.
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What can you co nsole gamers say now? I am going to play Crysis on 80 cores!


I feel sorry for you console gamers!

but really, 80 cores O_o thats just awesome, but what does that actually mean?

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12765/Intel-Unveils-80-Core-Programmable-Processor/

Guess_With_ReX

Yeah sure in 2021. :lol:

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Now Bill Gates (seeing as he's probably the only one able to afford it) can play Crysis at 40,000 frames per second! TLHBO:D...:(...oh wait
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Now Bill Gates (seeing as he's probably the only one able to afford it) can play Crysis at 40,000 frames per second! TLHBO:D...:(...oh waitbman784
Im telling BIll is god.
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#33 ssbfalco
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80 Cores... how useless in practical purposes... For Scientific and Math applications however... Really though, programming for 1 or 2 threads is hard enough...
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#34 bman784
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This is pretty superfluous for gaming...unless of course it's a game that involves calculating digits of pi.
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#35 X360PS3AMD05
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This was only to show what they can do and they were 80 SIMPLE processors, not the same thing as a Core 2 Duo/Athlon 64 etc.
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#36 imprezawrx500
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old, its yesterdays news
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#37 Darthmatt
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Programable, but not practcal from a game development stand point.
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#38 -GeordiLaForge-
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This was only to show what they can do and they were 80 SIMPLE processors, not the same thing as a Core 2 Duo/Athlon 64 etc.X360PS3AMD05
Supposedly, the final product will contain "simple" cores as well. Intel is looking into dumping hardware logic in favor of more cores on the same die size. If code is optimized for it, it would be much better. But with the diversity of desktop CPU's out there, I doubt that it will ever take off. It'll likely suffer the same fate as the RISC architecture of the 90's.
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#39 Matmoo_Wii60
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Well, I guess that answers the question: What core will Microsoft be using 6 years from now?

Xbox 360: A modded Intel 80 core processor.

PS4: Cell2

Mii2 :D: A processor that resembles the Xenon

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#40 Makari
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[spoiler] [QUOTE="StonedCaO"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Cali3350"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
-GeordiLaForge-
o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know...)

Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.



Lol...no. The Cell is actually horribly designed for a game console, its main goal is as a HD de-compresser, which is what it will mostly be used for (All toshiba/sony HDTV's from now on will use it). It has amazing FP potential, however is complete lack of branch prediction and very specialized nature actually make it very poor for a game processor. Luckily it is still POSSIBLE to use it for consoles, and with care it can work great. But a Core 2 Duo would Murder it for game design.

The Core 2 Duo is an out of order cpu due to the multiple software and cpu variations. Computer code cannot be optimized for in line execution in desktop processors because of the big variation of desktop cpu's, which is why the Cell isn't in Desktops. The Cell is actually a better console cpu than the Core 2 Duo because of it's highly specialized SPE's and performance enhancing features, such as an on die memory controller. The biggest of these Cell features though are the space saving features that allowed more processing units to be placed on the same small die size. These include the simple in order cores, SMT (on die multi threading), simplified dynamic logic, and the double benefit of lower transistor count and greater predictability of the SPE's local memory. The SPE's are a beautiful thing. They use in order execution, so they can churn out data at a faster rate thanks to the shorter pipelining that comes along with the lack of hardware logic. And to get around the potentially disastrous latency caused by cache, the SPE's use local memory instead of traditional cache. Traditional cache's hardware logic would be unpredictable, and would cause the SPE's to sit idle while the appropriate data that isn't in the cache is found in main memory. The decision to use local memory instead takes the unpredictability out of the cache equation and also reduces transistor count. But it does have a very small disadvantage, the SPE's will have to waste cycles to manage their own local memory. But the benefits definitely outweigh the disadvantages. A smart programmer with a good compiler can turn the local memory into a huge advantage when implementing in order execution. The cell really is a great processor for a video game console. In fact, Intel is moving to a very similar architecture in about 5 years. I can't wait to see what it can do once the developers learn how to program for it's highly specialized nature.

Where'd you copy all that mumbo jumbo from? First off, SPE's are essentially processing cores. Sony just has a fancy-ass name for them. Second of all, on die memory controllers have been implemented in AMD processors. It's not that great, cuz it creates CPU overhead on memory performance. A separate memory controller would be better. And I don't think any AMD has won a benchmark against even the lowliest of the Core 2 Duo family, to put it into perspective how much an "on die memory controller" can do. Furthermore, intel's 80 core thingamabob already surpassed the cell. They clearly are NOT going in the same direction, for they aren't looking to put more processing cores on one layer of a die. Doing that would make it necessary to increase the front-side-bus that the processor uses, and that has its limits. Their new approach to it is to stack die layers on top of one another, creating a mesh network that's already put 10 times as many processing cores on the same die size as the cell. How'd this turn into a discussion for the cell processor anyways?

[/spoiler] First off, all of that is straight from my brain. Try and find it someplace else. Thought so... And I know that SPE's and SPU's are the same thing. And I listed the memory controller as the MOST MINOR performance enhancing feature. And the on die memory controller creates absolutely no more overhead to the cpu. It just provides an incredible amount of bandwidth between the memory controller and cpu, nothing more. This actually reduces latency, and improves performance GREATLY. And the fact that an OLD AMD architecture can pretty much keep up with Intel's newest chips speaks volumes in itself. And apparently you haven't heard of the K8L. AMD's response to the Core 2 Duo is going to smoke anything Intel has on the market. And Intel is in fact looking to increase the amount of cores on dies by reducing the logic that is only there because there are so many types of desktop processors out there. They're counting on the size of their userbase to make the technology take off. Will it work? We'll have to wait atleast 5 years to find out.

Wow. If you mess around with overclocking A64's it's pretty obvious+well known that there's a huge CPU speed impact on memory bandwidth/performance because of the on-die memory controller. I make it my hobby to take my processors and eke every ounce of performance out of them over hours of benchmarking and reboots to try new settings (DRAM idle clock limit.. 32, 64 or 128? hm!), so by know I know what works on this and what doesn't. And to be fair, this is AMD's K8 architecture failing to really keep up with Intel's 4-year-old architecture despite their lack of an ondie memory chip, as most of this desktop Core 2 Duo stuff is all based on the Pentium M's from early 2003 - albeit with more cache, bigger FSB, and dual-core tacked on in the last few months. I still don't know why they sat on bringing that over to desktops for so long, as everybody knew they would kill everything whenever Intel bothered to make it happen. As far as the 80 core thing, it seems like Intel's doing it more or less as a test and 'because they can.' One thing I noticed about the tests with that chip is that a) it would be able to run windows x86-type stuff, and b) as tested, it required multiple power supplies.
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#41 trasherhead
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What can you co nsole gamers say now? I am going to play Crysis on 80 cores!


I feel sorry for you console gamers!

but really, 80 cores O_o thats just awesome, but what does that actually mean?

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12765/Intel-Unveils-80-Core-Programmable-Processor/

Guess_With_ReX
Uhm... 80 cores and only 1 teraflop? Can't the Cell do that too?
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#42 s14joe
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This thread fails to keep me awake or interested. This thread just fails. Thank you and try again.:wink:
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#43 DarkHero1
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What can you co nsole gamers say now? I am going to play Crysis on 80 cores!


I feel sorry for you console gamers!

but really, 80 cores O_o thats just awesome, but what does that actually mean?

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12765/Intel-Unveils-80-Core-Programmable-Processor/

Guess_With_ReX


Firstly, the 80 core processor is not being released by Intel and secondly I highly doubt that you would be able to afford the 80 core processor if it were to be released this year.
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#44 SuperVegeta518
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It only costs $200 right!? :lol: 

That's what hermits would say if thats what they needed to play Crisis on high.

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#45 Makari
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[QUOTE="Guess_With_ReX"]

What can you co nsole gamers say now? I am going to play Crysis on 80 cores!


I feel sorry for you console gamers!

but really, 80 cores O_o thats just awesome, but what does that actually mean?

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12765/Intel-Unveils-80-Core-Programmable-Processor/

trasherhead
Uhm... 80 cores and only 1 teraflop? Can't the Cell do that too?

every processor made in that general vein can, eventually. you just stick on more cores/spes/whatever until it gets it done.
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#46 Viviath
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why do people feel the need to brag? :?
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#47 hamumu
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No, it wouldn't even work on today's operating systems. It's basically just very small, and fairly slow cores. There is no (as far as I understand) "main" core like the cell. It's just 80 cores in one, and each does their own calculations. Each of the core's speed isn't very high. And programs would need to be designed specifically for it, or else you would actually get less performance then a cheap $100 dual core today.

While it's a great idea and the concept worked, its unlikely this will show up to consumers for at least 6 years.
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[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] "Although has no plans to bring this exact chip to market, it believes a similar design could be available on the market five years from now."
ZOMG! By the next console cycle, they could be using this chip before PC users can!
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o_O I don't get it. Consoles always get downgraded CPUs to keep costs down. There's reasons they can't put top-of-the-line chips, you know... ;)

Actually, the Cell is better for a gaming console than any desktop processor out there.

:lol: sure thing buddy.....:|...............:lol:
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#49 Hot_Potato
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It was just an experiment, the 80 core processor will never come to the market. (If the quad core was $1,500 on relase, this would be about $30,000!) They were just using it as an experiment for future technology.
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#50 Hot_Potato
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[QUOTE="Guess_With_ReX"]

What can you co nsole gamers say now? I am going to play Crysis on 80 cores!


I feel sorry for you console gamers!

but really, 80 cores O_o thats just awesome, but what does that actually mean?

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12765/Intel-Unveils-80-Core-Programmable-Processor/

trasherhead
Uhm... 80 cores and only 1 teraflop? Can't the Cell do that too?

The most cores a processor has out now is 4, this has 80. And a teraflop? That can do trillions of calculations per second. You could probably buy one of these and never need a graphics card or sound card again. And no, Cell can't do that.
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