I don't get how ODST scored so high.

Ok the game comes with a 6 hour long campaign, tacked on co-op, Halo 3 maps which you most likely already bought, and 1 multiplayer gamemode all for 60$.

I don't know but it sounds like a major rip off to me. Look at Crysis Warhead which comes with a 6 hour long campaign, remade multiplayer, New multiplayer gamemodes, new maps, and all for 30$ at release.

Is it me or should have ODST scored lower? I just don't see how a game so short with a 60$ price tag manages to get 9's everywhere.

It's Halo.

i don't remember well but i don't even remember GS even mentioning how short the game was..

It was amazing?bronxxbombers

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"]It was amazing?JangoWuzHere

It didn't get 9s everywhere. Isn't it's MetaCritic and GameRankings at like 85%? I know I stopped taking math seriously in high school but I'm pretty sure if you have 9's everywhere, the percentage would be atleast a 90 and not below it.

PC is also different, we get it. Why did Fallout 3 get 9 on 360? The PC version is clearly better, endless mods and it's $10 cheaper!

Price doesn't mean anything, neither does game length. People should start to value the experience and not the length. Every other Halo campaign was garbage and they were longer than ODST so I don't know about you, but I'd rather take a good campaign over a long one.

*sigh* Looks we need that sticky back.

It scored high because of the quality of the campaign, music, atmosphere etc. You know, stuff like that.

Besides, I know plenty of other games that scored high and came with little content.

It has halo in the name.

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"]It was amazing?JangoWuzHere

Ok the game comes with a 6 hour long campaign, tacked on co-op, Halo 3 maps which you most likely already bought, and 1 multiplayer gamemode all for 60$.

I don't know but it sounds like a major rip off to me. Look at Crysis Warhead which comes with a 6 hour long campaign, remade multiplayer, New multiplayer gamemodes, new maps, and all for 30$ at release.

Is it me or should have ODST scored lower? I just don't see how a game so short with a 60$ price tag manages to get 9's everywhere.

JangoWuzHere

Because Bungie doesn't make bad games, and they never have?

It's liek questioning why a Bioware, or Valve game gets scored high.

It's Halo.

dream431ca

Ok the game comes with a 6 hour long campaign, tacked on co-op, Halo 3 maps which you most likely already bought, and 1 multiplayer gamemode all for 60$.

I don't know but it sounds like a major rip off to me. Look at Crysis Warhead which comes with a 6 hour long campaign, remade multiplayer, New multiplayer gamemodes, new maps, and all for 30$ at release.

Is it me or should have ODST scored lower? I just don't see how a game so short with a 60$ price tag manages to get 9's everywhere.

JangoWuzHere

IDK Tom Mcshea on the podcast claimed he was a huge halo fan and I think that reflected in the review I agree with GB's review. I think if van-ord or even sinclair had scored the game it would've scored lower.

It seems like a good game but not AAA OMG worthy.

It has halo in the name.

goblaa

People to need to stop with this type of BS.

You really think that it got a high score because of its brand, and not because of the quality of the game?

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

It has halo in the name.

SpinoRaptor24

People to need to stop with this type of BS.

You really think that it got a high score because of its brand, and not because of the quality of the game?

Because Bungie doesn't make bad games, and they never have?

It's liek questioning why a Bioware, or Valve game gets scored high.

treedoor

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because Bungie doesn't make bad games, and they never have?

It's liek questioning why a Bioware, or Valve game gets scored high.

JangoWuzHere

A quality game is always quality, no matter how short or overpiriced it may be.

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because Bungie doesn't make bad games, and they never have?

It's liek questioning why a Bioware, or Valve game gets scored high.

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because Bungie doesn't make bad games, and they never have?

It's liek questioning why a Bioware, or Valve game gets scored high.

JangoWuzHere

Other games with small amounts of content get good scores too.

ODST just happens to be a quality game. If reviews were based only on length then all MMOs would get perfect 10s, and all shooters would get 1s.

The fact that ODST has so much polish, and great gameplay as well as an amazing musical score (not to mention it's a great twist to Halo), I don't see why the scores would be questioned.

I think what's more baffling or disturbing is the scores for NFS Shift and how people call it a sim LOL.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because Bungie doesn't make bad games, and they never have?

It's liek questioning why a Bioware, or Valve game gets scored high.

treedoor

Other games with small amounts of content get good scores too.

ODST just happens to be a quality game. If reviews were based only on length then all MMOs would get perfect 10s, and all shooters would get 1s.

The fact that ODST has so much polish, and great gameplay as well as an amazing musical score (not to mention it's a great twist to Halo), I don't see why the scores would be questioned.

Ooooh, TC is a PC gamer. My favorite kind! And you'd be the expert on the "tacked on co-op" and the map packs we "probably" bought.

Campaign took me 8 and half hours to beat. Firefight is the best mode of it's kind. The story-telling method is ridiculously unique. The atmosphere and mood really suck you into the game world. FireFight is, again, really addicting. The new multiplayer maps are some of the best in the series. And if you didn't buy the maps (like me and you too TC) then it's a ton of new maps (and $30 worth or so at that), that you can play and further extend the life of Halo 3's superb multiplayer.

What's there to not get? It's fun, it's moody, it's just a damn good game. What's the problem? Plenty of other shooters earn similar scores to ODST with campaigns that are just as short and only some multiplayer modes added on and you question this one. Is it because it's Halo? It is isn't it? Oh, you guys! :D

Ok the game comes with a 6 hour long campaign, tacked on co-op, Halo 3 maps which you most likely already bought, and 1 multiplayer gamemode all for 60$.

I don't know but it sounds like a major rip off to me. Look at Crysis Warhead which comes with a 6 hour long campaign, remade multiplayer, New multiplayer gamemodes, new maps, and all for 30$ at release.

Is it me or should have ODST scored lower? I just don't see how a game so short with a 60$ price tag manages to get 9's everywhere.

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] No its nothing like that. I never said the game was bad in anyway im questioning the score by the length. JangoWuzHere

Other games with small amounts of content get good scores too.

ODST just happens to be a quality game. If reviews were based only on length then all MMOs would get perfect 10s, and all shooters would get 1s.

The fact that ODST has so much polish, and great gameplay as well as an amazing musical score (not to mention it's a great twist to Halo), I don't see why the scores would be questioned.

Price isn't a huge factor when reviewing games.

Take The Orange Box and COD4 for example. OB scored .5 higher than COD4, even though it was far better in terms of value.

my only question is how did it get a 9 for graphics for IGN...WTF, when Halo 3 came out its graphics were average at best and that was like 2 years ago, same exact engine and graphics and it still gets a 9??

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

It has halo in the name.

SpinoRaptor24

People to need to stop with this type of BS.

You really think that it got a high score because of its brand, and not because of the quality of the game?

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Ok the game comes with a 6 hour long campaign, tacked on co-op, Halo 3 maps which you most likely already bought, and 1 multiplayer gamemode all for 60$.

I don't know but it sounds like a major rip off to me. Look at Crysis Warhead which comes with a 6 hour long campaign, remade multiplayer, New multiplayer gamemodes, new maps, and all for 30$ at release.

Is it me or should have ODST scored lower? I just don't see how a game so short with a 60$ price tag manages to get 9's everywhere.

DethSkematik

my only question is how did it get a 9 for graphics for IGN...WTF, when Halo 3 came out its graphics were average at best and that was like 2 years ago, same exact engine and graphics and it still gets a 9??

pandoradrive

ODST is over rated. I want somebody to actually give me a proper rebuttal, not say "IT IS AWESOME!"

Campaign:

Art style and music is phenomenal. Now atmosphere. Ok, the atmosphere is so overblown. You are playing as one guy

who alone who has to fight enemies by himself. Ya....that has never been done before /sarcasm

The campaign is better than Halo 2 and Halo 3's by far, but that doesn't say much. ODST's night parts are not that different.

Everyone calls it tactical, but the way you play ODST, is the same way you play any other Halo game. Shoot, duck, recharge shield, repeat.

If they added a cover system, no regen health, then ya I would agree, but the gameplay is exactly the same. The second thing about the

campaign is the whole open world. I'm sorry, but this is also over blown. This game is linear. It gives you some room to explore empty streets

that only hold extras. No enemies, nothing. The game is so linear. You want sandbox style gameplay? The type of gameplay where you can

actually plan out your attacks, and chose your own style of play? Play Far Cry 2 or Crysis. The story is interesting though. From the end of the first level, I was incredibly interested to see what would happen next. But the ending was awful IMO. Especially the legendary ending. The campaign is overblown mainly because the campaign in Halo 3 and Halo 2 sucked. Thats it. I would take Crysis, Bioshock, Half-Life 2, FEAR any day over ODST's campaign

The campaign is 5 hours long. And it has a tacked on co-op. Now I really want to hear the GS reviewer answer this. If the campaign is 5 hours long, why did you not put that stupid sticker with that dwarf that tells people that the game is 5 hours long? He never once mentioned the short length, which really makes me raise an eyebrow about whether reviews matter on the license or the game itself.

Firefight: Ok....firefight. You get one new mode in this $60 game. One new mode. You do know, that you get free gameplay modes in many other games as DLC? Well anyways, I enjoyed firefight. It wasn't amazing, but it was fun. I never found it as intense as Horde from Gears 2 though. I think that was because of the 7 lives thing. No matchmaking. No matchmaking. Who makes a mode that is focused on online play and has no matchmaking? What happened to the days when Bungie would innovate multiplayer on consoles? This is stupid.

3 new maps in multiplayer. This is seriously a joke. Devs release new maps for free a lot. Not only that when they charge maps, it is usually around $6 on PSN. 3 new maps?

Beta for Halo Reach. This is supposed to justify my $60 purchase?

See, I also want people who defend this game to answer met this: how many other expansions have been released that cost $60? Please name me one. I can name you so many other expansion packs that have way more content than this game and cost half its price.

Oh ya, and the AI is stupid as hell. Go to firefight, go to windward, go to that medical room at the top of the escalator, and hide behind the desk. Enemies will shoot at the wall in front of them and throw grenades that bounce back onto them. This is a joke.

[QUOTE="DethSkematik"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Ok the game comes with a 6 hour long campaign, tacked on co-op, Halo 3 maps which you most likely already bought, and 1 multiplayer gamemode all for 60$.

I don't know but it sounds like a major rip off to me. Look at Crysis Warhead which comes with a 6 hour long campaign, remade multiplayer, New multiplayer gamemodes, new maps, and all for 30$ at release.

Is it me or should have ODST scored lower? I just don't see how a game so short with a 60$ price tag manages to get 9's everywhere.

JangoWuzHere

TC, have you played it? The campaign is as long as COD4, and Heavenly Sword. This knock against the campaign length holds no weight in this gen since so many quality titles have short campaigns. The game takes a tries and true game series and adds a new feel and atmosphere to it. I find I can't run and gun as I once did in Halo 2, 3. Being more strategic and stealthy is what works for me as the rookie and it made the game a challenge. When I can't understand something, I try to experience it for myself with an open mind.cainetao11

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

It has halo in the name.

Sniper-PIG

People to need to stop with this type of BS.

You really think that it got a high score because of its brand, and not because of the quality of the game?

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

It has halo in the name.

Sniper-PIG

People to need to stop with this type of BS.

You really think that it got a high score because of its brand, and not because of the quality of the game?

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

It has halo in the name.

Sniper-PIG

People to need to stop with this type of BS.

You really think that it got a high score because of its brand, and not because of the quality of the game?

I disagree completely. ODST was one of the best Halo campaigns I have ever played. I really enjoyed the soundtrack and atmosphere, which I think Bungie did a fantastic job with. Voice acting was also top notch and the story was great.

Before we take this discussion any further, can you show me your gamertag to prove that you've played ODST?

[QUOTE="Sniper-PIG"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

People to need to stop with this type of BS.

You really think that it got a high score because of its brand, and not because of the quality of the game?

SpinoRaptor24

I disagree completely. ODST was one of the best Halo campaigns I have ever played. I really enjoyed the soundtrack and atmosphere, which I think Bungie did a fantastic job with. Voice acting was also top notch and the story was great.

Before we take this discussion any further, can you show me your gamertag to prove that you've played ODST?

Saying that it is the best Halo campaign isn't saying much

Halo 2 and Halo 3 had awful campaigns.

Please answer my long message lol

Oh ya,let us not forget when people say "I love playing stealth"

You can't play stealth in this game. You can start off maybe killing 3 or 4 enemies by bashing them in the back, but it is impossible to take out all those brutes, jackals and grunts by stealth.

Not only that, the stealth I mentioned was in every single Halo game.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="Sniper-PIG"] you actually need to stop with that excuse. IF ODST didn't have Halo in it..i can gurantee the game would have been brushed aside. but because it HALO..it scored high. The nostalgia plays its part. What is this quality people keep talking about? ODST story was a 4 hr bore fest...with nothing but flash backs and cheap dialog and horrible humour. Mix all that with horrid graphics and animations and you have a over priced overhyped **** game. ODST proves how Halo is overrated. Hell the gameplay took steps back and didn't even have it improved. Halo needs to be redone entirely. foossilo

I disagree completely. ODST was one of the best Halo campaigns I have ever played. I really enjoyed the soundtrack and atmosphere, which I think Bungie did a fantastic job with. Voice acting was also top notch and the story was great.

Before we take this discussion any further, can you show me your gamertag to prove that you've played ODST?

Saying that it is the best Halo campaign isn't saying much

Halo 2 and Halo 3 had awful campaigns.

Please answer my long message lol

Do you understand the difference between an opinion and fact?

Yes those maps are for the Halo 3 multiplayer. And if you already bought the maps then wouldn't you feel kinda screwed?JangoWuzHere

And I will be honest, I think Microsoft or Bungie completely dropped the ball on ODST mainly in the firefight. Here you have this horde type mode which is becoming increasingly popular. You throw it in the Halo universe with it's awesome weapons, physics, vehicles and gameplay. Perfect the format with skulls, and limited lives, Then they don't include any type of matchmaking or even server list. It is a complete and utter failure. I haven't been able to play because none of my friends are online playing it. It's a huge pain to recruit a team of randoms from message boards to play. And when we do get to play, the net code is iffy and it lags. Almost every game lags. They completely failed. It's uncharacteristic of Bungie, especially since ODST reportedly had been finished since early Spring, they could have used that time to fix any of this. But they didn't. They failed.

But still, regardless of this. I can understand why it received a 9. The story is well progressed with great atmosphere. It gives you the option to coop with friends, when many other games don't. The firefight when you do get it going is excellent, and with friends is some of the most fun online this gen. And it does include the complete Halo 3 MP experience which is always good to go back to. You can't ask for much more for $60.

I won't lie ODST has it's issues and it has major ones. But regardless it's still a great game. In the same way other games have issues and can still score a 10. You have to remember review score criteria is ambiguous. They aren't graded on a specific set of characteristics. The number is only there to represent the overall quality of a title. You can look at every single piece and say it could have been done better, or it's not exactly 9 worthy. But as the saying goes "the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts"

[QUOTE="foossilo"]

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

I disagree completely. ODST was one of the best Halo campaigns I have ever played. I really enjoyed the soundtrack and atmosphere, which I think Bungie did a fantastic job with. Voice acting was also top notch and the story was great.

Before we take this discussion any further, can you show me your gamertag to prove that you've played ODST?

Kiyobear

Saying that it is the best Halo campaign isn't saying much

Halo 2 and Halo 3 had awful campaigns.

Please answer my long message lol

Do you understand the difference between an opinion and fact?

[QUOTE="foossilo"]

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

I disagree completely. ODST was one of the best Halo campaigns I have ever played. I really enjoyed the soundtrack and atmosphere, which I think Bungie did a fantastic job with. Voice acting was also top notch and the story was great.

Before we take this discussion any further, can you show me your gamertag to prove that you've played ODST?

Kiyobear

Saying that it is the best Halo campaign isn't saying much

Halo 2 and Halo 3 had awful campaigns.

Please answer my long message lol

Do you understand the difference between an opinion and fact?

So you enjoyed Halo 2 and Halo 3's campaign? you my friend need better taste. Have you ever played Half-Life? FEAR? Crysis? STALKER? Chronicles of Riddick? Deus Ex? Bioshock? System Shock 2?