Hermits --- You always resort to using mods as your ownage against consoles

Yeah, that's fair! :lol: You always use "we have the mods" to own lemmings.  Lemmings get it!  You have the uber, awesome mods and lemmings don't.  Are lemmings jealous?  Perhaps.  But it is still not fair of you to use "we have mods" as ownage every time!  It gets old.  Take Oblivion, for example. 

When this game debuted for 360 and PC, GameSpot cmarked the 360 version with the "best" tag.  GameSpot was doing a fair comparison...the PC version as is vs. the 360 version.   Without mods, the 360 version is considered better by GameSpot.  360 games NEVER HAVE MODS, so how is it fair to compare a modded PC game to the 360 counterpart?  The answer is, it isn't fair. 

I find it funny that it takes all thse user created mods for hermits to fully enjoy a game.  Saying "we have the mods" as ownage only makes it appear that you don't enjoy a game much without mods.  It is like saying "the developer didn't give us what we want, so we have to change aspects of the game to make it playable for us".  

Try comparing UNMODDED PC games to 360 counterparts next time...after all, it is the more fair thing to do. 

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!" 

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

AvIdGaMeR444

Are achievement points a good incentive to play mediocre console games? 

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

dgsag

Are achievement points a good incentive to play mediocre console games? 

Ok..unmodded PC game versus an xbox 360 game...

All I see are clearly better graphics and much better performance.

It's considered better because it showcased what the 360 can do. Hence, they rated it higher.

And GS still says that the controls and graphics are superior on the PC version without mods.

"On a high-end PC, you can get the game looking even better,"

"Controls are as good on the Xbox 360 as on the PC, though using the PC's number keys is a little easier than using the 360 controller's D pad for quickly switching between items and powers." 

Yeah, that's fair! :lol: You always use "we have the mods" to own lemmings. Lemmings get it! You have the uber, awesome mods and lemmings don't. Are lemmings jealous? Perhaps. But it is still not fair of you to use "we have mods" as ownage every time! It gets old. Take Oblivion, for example.

When this game debuted for 360 and PC, GameSpot cmarked the 360 version with the "best" tag. GameSpot was doing a fair comparison...the PC version as is vs. the 360 version. Without mods, the 360 version is considered better by GameSpot. 360 games NEVER HAVE MODS, so how is it fair to compare a modded PC game to the 360 counterpart? The answer is, it isn't fair.

I find it funny that it takes all thse user created mods for hermits to fully enjoy a game. Saying "we have the mods" as ownage only makes it appear that you don't enjoy a game much without mods. It is like saying "the developer didn't give us what we want, so we have to change aspects of the game to make it playable for us".

Try comparing UNMODDED PC games to 360 counterparts next time...after all, it is the more fair thing to do.

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

 

AvIdGaMeR444

The gamespot review is wrong. Oblivions is better on PC due to mods and mouse & keyboard use.

Everytime a hermit resorts to mods to make an arguement, they have already lost.

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

dgsag

Are achievement points a good incentive to play mediocre console games? 

Why do all hermits assume console games are "mediocre" or just plain bad when this is clearly not the case...

The gamespot review is wrong. Oblivions is better on PC due to mods and mouse & keyboard use.

Illumination77

Ok..unmodded PC game versus an xbox 360 game...

All I see is are clearly better graphics and much better performance.

Peter_Darkstar

Plus, why the hell aren't mods "fair"? Yes, the 360 doesn't support mods. The 360 has generally weaker hardware, et cetera as well. If mods are unfair, then comparing the console version to the PC in general isn't really fair either, see? 

Mods are like expansion packs.

Except free.

And more awesome. 

I guess achievements, entitlements, and Home must mean that PS3 and 360 games are so boring and unfulfilling that you need extra incentives to play and beat the game.

Right? 

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

dgsag

how mature.

Are achievement points a good incentive to play mediocre console games? 

It doesn't matter whether it's fair or not.

Mods exist, and are a realistic option for enhancing great games (though in Oblivion's case, they're used for fixing the gameplay) .

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

AvIdGaMeR444

Are achievement points a good incentive to play mediocre console games?

Why do all hermits assume console games are "mediocre" or just plain bad when this is clearly not the case...

Anyone whos played Oblivion that CAN mod will change the CRAPTASTIC leveling system back to morrowind standard, prime example there, oblivion's gameplay was rushed and ****

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

marklarmer

how mature.

Are achievement points a good incentive to play mediocre console games?

Isn't it? I was just asking an honest question. 

[QUOTE="Illumination77"]

The gamespot review is wrong. Oblivions is better on PC due to mods and mouse & keyboard use.

JPOBS

Did you ever think a possibility for the lower score was because of standards?

A PC game is assumed to look and play amazingly when its reviewed, and the reviewer most likely compared Oblivion's quality to other games he has rated.

When Oblivion came out on the 360, it was considered revolutionary. At the time it had the best visuals of any console game ever released. 

Yeah, that's fair! :lol: You always use "we have the mods" to own lemmings. Lemmings get it! You have the uber, awesome mods and lemmings don't. Are lemmings jealous? Perhaps. But it is still not fair of you to use "we have mods" as ownage every time! It gets old. Take Oblivion, for example.

When this game debuted for 360 and PC, GameSpot cmarked the 360 version with the "best" tag. GameSpot was doing a fair comparison...the PC version as is vs. the 360 version. Without mods, the 360 version is considered better by GameSpot. 360 games NEVER HAVE MODS, so how is it fair to compare a modded PC game to the 360 counterpart? The answer is, it isn't fair.

I find it funny that it takes all thse user created mods for hermits to fully enjoy a game. Saying "we have the mods" as ownage only makes it appear that you don't enjoy a game much without mods. It is like saying "the developer didn't give us what we want, so we have to change aspects of the game to make it playable for us".

Try comparing UNMODDED PC games to 360 counterparts next time...after all, it is the more fair thing to do.

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

 

AvIdGaMeR444

Yeah totally man I think you nailed it on the head never read anything like this its opened my eyes I'm a changed man you're awesome this is right on wow mind blowing we should hang out sometime. 

[QUOTE="Peter_Darkstar"]

Ok..unmodded PC game versus an xbox 360 game...

All I see is are clearly better graphics and much better performance.

Core0

Plus, why the hell aren't mods "fair"? Yes, the 360 doesn't support mods. The 360 has generally weaker hardware, et cetera as well. If mods are unfair, then comparing the console version to the PC in general isn't really fair either, see? 

No, I don't see.  Mods are basically user created "hacks" to change the game data and make it "more user friendly" or tolerable, or better.  360 doesn't have that advantage.  Mods are unfair, because they aren't what the developer intended the game to be and aren't from the developers.  The fair thing is to compair the ACTUAL GAME WITH NO MODS to the 360 counterpart.  That is fair. 

[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="Illumination77"]

The gamespot review is wrong. Oblivions is better on PC due to mods and mouse & keyboard use.

Peter_Darkstar

Did you ever think a possibility for the lower score was because of standards?

A PC game is assumed to look and play amazingly when its reviewed, and the reviewer most likely compared Oblivion's quality to other games he has rated.

When Oblivion came out on the 360, it was considered revolutionary. At the time it had the best visuals of any console game ever released.

[QUOTE="Core0"][QUOTE="Peter_Darkstar"]

Ok..unmodded PC game versus an xbox 360 game...

All I see is are clearly better graphics and much better performance.

AvIdGaMeR444

Plus, why the hell aren't mods "fair"? Yes, the 360 doesn't support mods. The 360 has generally weaker hardware, et cetera as well. If mods are unfair, then comparing the console version to the PC in general isn't really fair either, see?

No, I don't see. Mods are basically user created "hacks" to change the game data and make it "more user friendly" or tolerable, or better. 360 doesn't have that advantage. Mods are unfair, because they aren't what the developer intended the game to be and aren't from the developers. The fair thing is to compair the ACTUAL GAME WITH NO MODS to the 360 counterpart. That is fair.

Except most developers provide tools for mod making. Or was the editor for Oblivion just a "hack"  that the developers never intended. A good deal of games bring level editing and mod creation tools.

PC games have the capability to support mods. Thats an ability of the game. Or should we considered how it was unfair to judge Xbox games vs. the GC and PS2 because it had online capabilities? Of course not. Its part of the game - and making a game more mod friendly so that the community can take advantage of it is part of the game.

[QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

Yeah, that's fair! :lol: You always use "we have the mods" to own lemmings. Lemmings get it! You have the uber, awesome mods and lemmings don't. Are lemmings jealous? Perhaps. But it is still not fair of you to use "we have mods" as ownage every time! It gets old. Take Oblivion, for example.

When this game debuted for 360 and PC, GameSpot cmarked the 360 version with the "best" tag. GameSpot was doing a fair comparison...the PC version as is vs. the 360 version. Without mods, the 360 version is considered better by GameSpot. 360 games NEVER HAVE MODS, so how is it fair to compare a modded PC game to the 360 counterpart? The answer is, it isn't fair.

I find it funny that it takes all thse user created mods for hermits to fully enjoy a game. Saying "we have the mods" as ownage only makes it appear that you don't enjoy a game much without mods. It is like saying "the developer didn't give us what we want, so we have to change aspects of the game to make it playable for us".

Try comparing UNMODDED PC games to 360 counterparts next time...after all, it is the more fair thing to do.

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

 

AvIdGaMeR444

Yeah totally man I think you nailed it on the head never read anything like this its opened my eyes I'm a changed man you're awesome this is right on wow mind blowing we should hang out sometime.

I forgot to mention that hermits usually use sarcasm and turn their chin up acting like they are superior by belittling console users....Thanx for proving my point!!

Most hermits own consoles... 

[QUOTE="Core0"][QUOTE="Peter_Darkstar"]

Ok..unmodded PC game versus an xbox 360 game...

All I see is are clearly better graphics and much better performance.

AvIdGaMeR444

Plus, why the hell aren't mods "fair"? Yes, the 360 doesn't support mods. The 360 has generally weaker hardware, et cetera as well. If mods are unfair, then comparing the console version to the PC in general isn't really fair either, see?

No, I don't see. Mods are basically user created "hacks" to change the game data and make it "more user friendly" or tolerable, or better. 360 doesn't have that advantage. Mods are unfair, because they aren't what the developer intended the game to be and aren't from the developers. The fair thing is to compair the ACTUAL GAME WITH NO MODS to the 360 counterpart. That is fair.

A) The PC still wins even if we do what you propose 

B) Again, those games also take advantage of PC's superior hardware as well. So, utilizing that happens to be as "unfair" as using the platform's modding capabilities, which is as well bound into its technological, hardware-dependent base.

Yeah, that's fair! :lol: You always use "we have the mods" to own lemmings. Lemmings get it! You have the uber, awesome mods and lemmings don't. Are lemmings jealous? Perhaps. But it is still not fair of you to use "we have mods" as ownage every time! It gets old. Take Oblivion, for example.

AvIdGaMeR444

Ownage is ownage no matter if its fair or not. Mods make a game better and thats a fact you can't dispute. Its not fair lol. Oh wow I thought I've heard it all up until now. Its not fair :cry: 

>No, I don't see. Mods are basically user created "hacks" to change the game data and make it "more user friendly" or tolerable, or better. 360 doesn't have that advantage. Mods are unfair, because they aren't what the developer intended the game to be and aren't from the developers. The fair thing is to compair the ACTUAL GAME WITH NO MODS to the 360 counterpart. That is fair.AvIdGaMeR444

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

dgsag

Are achievement points a good incentive to play mediocre console games? 

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

FrenziedRaldo24

Are achievement points a good incentive to play mediocre console games?

Mods add a lot the gameplay experience, and gives games far more replay value than achievements.  I'd rather have a new part of the game, rather than feel the need to unlock a title or something else that's useless.

However, i think custom maps, like in RTS games, are far better than mods.  While similar to mods, they are made with an in-game editor.  I loved Tower Wars, all the Mythodea levels, and so many others from Age of Mythology.

[QUOTE="Core0"][QUOTE="Peter_Darkstar"]

Ok..unmodded PC game versus an xbox 360 game...

All I see is are clearly better graphics and much better performance.

AvIdGaMeR444

Plus, why the hell aren't mods "fair"? Yes, the 360 doesn't support mods. The 360 has generally weaker hardware, et cetera as well. If mods are unfair, then comparing the console version to the PC in general isn't really fair either, see?

No, I don't see. Mods are basically user created "hacks" to change the game data and make it "more user friendly" or tolerable, or better. 360 doesn't have that advantage. Mods are unfair, because they aren't what the developer intended the game to be and aren't from the developers. The fair thing is to compair the ACTUAL GAME WITH NO MODS to the 360 counterpart. That is fair.

Developers intend for their games to be modded....Thats why they provide us tools to do it with. 

[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="Illumination77"]

The gamespot review is wrong. Oblivions is better on PC due to mods and mouse & keyboard use.

Peter_Darkstar

Did you ever think a possibility for the lower score was because of standards?

A PC game is assumed to look and play amazingly when its reviewed, and the reviewer most likely compared Oblivion's quality to other games he has rated.

When Oblivion came out on the 360, it was considered revolutionary. At the time it had the best visuals of any console game ever released. 

PGR3 looked better than Oblivion, I would hardly call it revolutionary, it had crappy draw distance and terrible loading times. Morrowind 1.5

Mods are nice to play around with but they're never as good as the original game and frankly I would rather move onto a new game than continue to suck the life out of it with mods that are usually only average at best,NickyJD

there have been many incidents where modding teams have been bought out by the Devs of a game....Valve is well known for doing this.....

But mods like Desert Combat...were easily far better then BF1942, and were more popular. 

Yeah, that's fair! :lol: You always use "we have the mods" to own lemmings. Lemmings get it! You have the uber, awesome mods and lemmings don't. Are lemmings jealous? Perhaps. But it is still not fair of you to use "we have mods" as ownage every time! It gets old. Take Oblivion, for example.

When this game debuted for 360 and PC, GameSpot cmarked the 360 version with the "best" tag. GameSpot was doing a fair comparison...the PC version as is vs. the 360 version. Without mods, the 360 version is considered better by GameSpot. 360 games NEVER HAVE MODS, so how is it fair to compare a modded PC game to the 360 counterpart? The answer is, it isn't fair.

I find it funny that it takes all thse user created mods for hermits to fully enjoy a game. Saying "we have the mods" as ownage only makes it appear that you don't enjoy a game much without mods. It is like saying "the developer didn't give us what we want, so we have to change aspects of the game to make it playable for us".

Try comparing UNMODDED PC games to 360 counterparts next time...after all, it is the more fair thing to do.

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

 

AvIdGaMeR444

You do know, that in a GS article that came out a little after Oblivions release,  they stated that if you have a high-end PC, the PC version was better. Why wouldn't it be? It has better graphics, faster and shorter load times. There is absolutely no reason for the 360 version to be better, because it's the exact same game.

[QUOTE="NickyJD"]Mods are nice to play around with but they're never as good as the original game and frankly I would rather move onto a new game than continue to suck the life out of it with mods that are usually only average at best,cobrax75

there have been many incidents where modding teams have been bought out by the Devs of a game....Valve is well known for doing this.....

But mods like Desert Combat...were easily far better then BF1942, and were more popular.

Not to mention the devs who made Desert Combat, are now making Frontlines:Fuels of War, a full retail game. I don't see how mods can be bad in any way. They are FREE. 

[QUOTE="cobrax75"]

[QUOTE="NickyJD"]Mods are nice to play around with but they're never as good as the original game and frankly I would rather move onto a new game than continue to suck the life out of it with mods that are usually only average at best,trix5817

there have been many incidents where modding teams have been bought out by the Devs of a game....Valve is well known for doing this.....

But mods like Desert Combat...were easily far better then BF1942, and were more popular.

Not to mention the devs who made Desert Combat, are now making Frontlines:Fuels of War, a full retail game. I don't see how mods can be bad in any way. They are FREE.

yep luckily, Desert Combat is being remade for BF2.

also, Epic hosted a modding tournament a while back....The winner was "Red Orchestra" which became a full game. 

[QUOTE="Core0"][QUOTE="Peter_Darkstar"]

Ok..unmodded PC game versus an xbox 360 game...

All I see is are clearly better graphics and much better performance.

AvIdGaMeR444

Plus, why the hell aren't mods "fair"? Yes, the 360 doesn't support mods. The 360 has generally weaker hardware, et cetera as well. If mods are unfair, then comparing the console version to the PC in general isn't really fair either, see?

No, I don't see. Mods are basically user created "hacks" to change the game data and make it "more user friendly" or tolerable, or better. 360 doesn't have that advantage. Mods are unfair, because they aren't what the developer intended the game to be and aren't from the developers. The fair thing is to compair the ACTUAL GAME WITH NO MODS to the 360 counterpart. That is fair.

Your logic is flawed. Whether it's fair or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is who get's to actually PLAY the better game. And in Oblivions case, it's PC gamers. Mods are HUGE. Stop crying, and get over it. The devs made Oblivion easy to mod on purpose. 

Mods are nice to play around with but they're never as good as the original game and frankly I would rather move onto a new game than continue to suck the life out of it with mods that are usually only average at best,NickyJD

Mods don't have to be whole new games, as in Oblivions case. I advise you to read up more about what mods actually are. Oh, and I play the Point of Existence 2 and Project Reality mods much more than I play BF2. They improve on it and make the game much more suitable to my liking. 

 

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!" AvIdGaMeR444

No but i see them using it as a way to "own" PS3 fanboys all the time. The good thing is (if your into that crap) both PC & PS3 will have acheivement points or a similar system in the near future.

[QUOTE="Peter_Darkstar"][QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="Illumination77"]

The gamespot review is wrong. Oblivions is better on PC due to mods and mouse & keyboard use.

NickyJD

Did you ever think a possibility for the lower score was because of standards?

A PC game is assumed to look and play amazingly when its reviewed, and the reviewer most likely compared Oblivion's quality to other games he has rated.

When Oblivion came out on the 360, it was considered revolutionary. At the time it had the best visuals of any console game ever released.

PGR3 looked better than Oblivion, I would hardly call it revolutionary, it had crappy draw distance and terrible loading times. Morrowind 1.5

Wow, you must be blind. Oh, and the PC version had amazing draw distances, and loaded in about a 2 seconds or less, all while having less loading times then the 360 version. But yep, the 360 version is superior! 

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

BTW, you don't see lemmings saying to hermits, "We have the achievement points and you don't!"

swaginator

Are achievement points a good incentive to play mediocre console games? 

Achievments made me play games I would otherwise never take a second look at, the good thing about that though is that a few of those games really impressed me.