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#1 PBSnipes
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For those of you who are part of the "Halo is overrated casual trash" camp, I direct you to exibits A and B.

Exibit A: Gamerankings Halo: Combat Evolved page http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/472132.asp

On this page note at the top the 96% overall rating (actually a 95.6%) based on the average score of 92 different media reviews that are only from sources deemed credible by Gamerankings. Also note that Halo CE is rated as the 9th best game of all time based on the average scores calculated by Gamerankings. Remember that these aren't user scores, they are scores taken from sources that are deemed credible, such as websites and magazines. I would also direct you to the identical 9.7's (97%)given to Halo: CE by both IGN and Gamespot, considered as two of the most credible review sources.

Exibit B: Gamerankings Halo 2 page http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/562116.asp?q=Halo%202

Also on this page we can note many similar features to exibit A. We see that across 112 media outlets Halo 2 averaged a score of 95% (actually a 94.6%), including a 9.4 (94%)from GS and a 9.8 (98%)from IGN. Also we can note that it is rated as the 21st best game of all time. Now I can't stress this enough, these average scores are calculated only using sites deemed credible. We can also note that IGN (which many SW forum users deem more reliable than GS) actually scored Halo 2 much higher than the average. Also of interest is that despite the number of people who are convinced GS is biased, IGN has actually rated Halo 2 higher, and the average is technically higher than the GS score.

So what do these exibits show? That professional writers in the gaming industry believe that Halo CE and Halo 2 are two of the finest games ever made. While everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion as to whether or not Halo CE and Halo 2 are good games, it is both futile and illogical to say that either Halo game is overrated considering how a huge pool of reviews can score it so high, particularily when two of the industries leading sources of reviews are close to the average, or even higher than the average in the case of Halo CE. The point is, there is no proof to support the theory that either Halo game is overrated.

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#2 Seckzy_Gamer
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Opinions are like owning a Ps3 or Wii - pointless
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#3 -Tretiak
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I agree that Halo: Combat Evolved is not overrated at all. It was fully deserving of the praise it got. After all, all of this hype had to have come from somewhere.

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#4 tsapman2007
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Halo is ok for a concole FPS, Halo 2 is trash.
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#5 Seckzy_Gamer
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Halo is ok for a concole FPS, Halo 2 is trash.tsapman2007

The first Halo is better than the majority of PC fps

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#6 Vfanek
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Opinions are like owning a Ps3 or Wii - pointlessSeckzy_Gamer

What a loop..

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#7 PBSnipes
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Halo is ok for a concole FPS, Halo 2 is trash.tsapman2007
Did you even try to read my post? Or is that the standard answer you vomit out at the mention of Halo?
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#8 tsapman2007
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[QUOTE="tsapman2007"]Halo is ok for a concole FPS, Halo 2 is trash.PBSnipes
Did you even try to read my post? Or is that the standard answer you vomit out at the mention of Halo?

It's the standard answer I vomit out at the mention of Halo

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#9 Meu2k7
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Overated? No , Too easy? Yes ... as someone said on the Pc board:

"Far Cry Medium = Halo/Halo 2 Legendary".

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Also note that halo ce is higher ranked then halflife 2, AND bioshock for the 360 pushed hl2 out of the top 10 on gamerankings
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indeed
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#12 PBSnipes
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Also note that halo ce is higher ranked then halflife 2, AND bioshock for the 360 pushed hl2 out of the top 10 on gamerankingsplat1num913
Actually Bioshock 360 is ranked #4 on the all time list, and the scores aren't directly comparable because of the different standards of the various platforms. My point wasn't that Halo CE and Halo 2 are two of the best games ever, merely that to call them overrated or trash is illogical and frankly stupid.
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Overated? No , Too easy? Yes ... as someone said on the Pc board:

"Far Cry Medium = Halo/Halo 2 Legendary".

Meu2k7

I've always thought both Halos were very fair at the Heroic difficulty. Saying they are too easy is a bit strange by me because Legendary is a complete b****, especially in Halo 2 were its more unfair then anything.

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Overated? No , Too easy? Yes ... as someone said on the Pc board:

"Far Cry Medium = Halo/Halo 2 Legendary".

Meu2k7

they plan on changing that in Halo 3, they said they're gonna make it harder.

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[QUOTE="plat1num913"]Also note that halo ce is higher ranked then halflife 2, AND bioshock for the 360 pushed hl2 out of the top 10 on gamerankingsPBSnipes
Actually Bioshock 360 is ranked #4 on the all time list, and the scores aren't directly comparable because of the different standards of the various platforms. My point wasn't that Halo CE and Halo 2 are two of the best games ever, merely that to call them overrated or trash is illogical and frankly stupid.

doesnt change the fact that halo ce has a higher average then hl2

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Halo:CE is really underrated and deserves all the praise it got and more. Halo2 on the other hand is highly overrated, was a huge step backwards in every way except that it had online multiplayer, which was really all it had going for it. But still it's a decent game... 7.5 I'd say. Even now Halo2 is painful to play after much better stuff has come out... well hell it was painful for me right away after obsessing over Halo:CE's greatness for 3 years only to have Halo2 suck balls and ruin every aspect I loved about the first.
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Overrated and trash are two completely different things. Trash means the game is bad which is obviously stupid and not worth arguing with. Overrated is the fact that Halo 3 is by far and away the most hyped game of the year and may be the most hyped game of all time. Some people say it's an amazing game, but compared to the coverage of other great games like MP3, it's too much. I don't agree. I'm caught in the hype.
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#18 6matt6
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i personally think halo 2 has be dethroned as the let down xbox franchise. gears holds the honour.

and people can damm well say if a game is over-rated. your post doesnty even proves its not over-rated.

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Halo is great for console's, but not for PC's

becouse for the PC we just have much better shooters, so the bar is much higher for PC

althrough I truely enjoyed Halo:CE with 3 friends LAN

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Overrated and trash are two completely different things. Trash means the game is bad which is obviously stupid and not worth arguing with. Overrated is the fact that Halo 3 is by far and away the most hyped game of the year and may be the most hyped game of all time. Some people say it's an amazing game, but compared to the coverage of other great games like MP3, it's too much. I don't agree. I'm caught in the hype.manningbowl135
Overrated is the score. I believe you meant over-hyped when refering to Halo 3. Overrated and over-hyped are two very different terms.
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#22 sakura_Ex
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Yes Halo is overrated,Golden Eye for the N64 was better imo.
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Yes Halo is overrated,Golden Eye for the N64 was better imo.sakura_Ex

its a shame the game hasnt aged well.

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Overated? No , Too easy? Yes ... as someone said on the Pc board:

"Far Cry Medium = Halo/Halo 2 Legendary".

Meu2k7

:lol: Nope, I can actually survive in Far Cry longer than I can in Halo..If anything..Halo 2 Legendary is to unforgiving.

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#25 PBSnipes
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Yes Halo is overrated,Golden Eye for the N64 was better imo.sakura_Ex
FYI if you check Gamerankings and GS Goldeneye is rated higher than Halo, so your point is moot.
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#26 Phanrang
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NO ****!
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[QUOTE="plat1num913"]Also note that halo ce is higher ranked then halflife 2, AND bioshock for the 360 pushed hl2 out of the top 10 on gamerankingsPBSnipes
Actually Bioshock 360 is ranked #4 on the all time list, and the scores aren't directly comparable because of the different standards of the various platforms. My point wasn't that Halo CE and Halo 2 are two of the best games ever, merely that to call them overrated or trash is illogical and frankly stupid.

Well fanboys are fanboys you know. The most hardcore fanboy outthere can tell you that any worthless game is better than Halo CE or Halo 2 just to get you irritated. Ignore them

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[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]Overrated and trash are two completely different things. Trash means the game is bad which is obviously stupid and not worth arguing with. Overrated is the fact that Halo 3 is by far and away the most hyped game of the year and may be the most hyped game of all time. Some people say it's an amazing game, but compared to the coverage of other great games like MP3, it's too much. I don't agree. I'm caught in the hype.PBSnipes
Overrated is the score. I believe you meant over-hyped when refering to Halo 3. Overrated and over-hyped are two very different terms.

I mean both. Some people may think it's overrated for all the hype, mania and accolades it gets. Example: I think Tom Brady is an amazing QB, but he's overrated b/c he gets too much attention for a QB his caliber. Same works for Halo. Again, I don't believe that, but some might and they can NOT be fanboys.

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Halo1 was amazing for its time, and still is a good game...Halo2 was trash, and the only good thing about it was multiplayer :?
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#30 PBSnipes
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]Overrated and trash are two completely different things. Trash means the game is bad which is obviously stupid and not worth arguing with. Overrated is the fact that Halo 3 is by far and away the most hyped game of the year and may be the most hyped game of all time. Some people say it's an amazing game, but compared to the coverage of other great games like MP3, it's too much. I don't agree. I'm caught in the hype.manningbowl135

Overrated is the score. I believe you meant over-hyped when refering to Halo 3. Overrated and over-hyped are two very different terms.

I mean both. Some people may think it's overrated for all the hype, mania and accolades it gets. Example: I think Tom Brady is an amazing QB, but he's overrated b/c he gets too much attention for a QB his caliber. Same works for Halo. Again, I don't believe that, but some might and they can NOT be fanboys.

Ok I see what you're getting at, and I'd generally agree. The thread was aimed more at the mindless thought that Halo doesn't deserve its scores and that the game sucks, and that there is some giant conspiracy to boost Halo's scores.
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[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]Overrated and trash are two completely different things. Trash means the game is bad which is obviously stupid and not worth arguing with. Overrated is the fact that Halo 3 is by far and away the most hyped game of the year and may be the most hyped game of all time. Some people say it's an amazing game, but compared to the coverage of other great games like MP3, it's too much. I don't agree. I'm caught in the hype.PBSnipes

Overrated is the score. I believe you meant over-hyped when refering to Halo 3. Overrated and over-hyped are two very different terms.

I mean both. Some people may think it's overrated for all the hype, mania and accolades it gets. Example: I think Tom Brady is an amazing QB, but he's overrated b/c he gets too much attention for a QB his caliber. Same works for Halo. Again, I don't believe that, but some might and they can NOT be fanboys.

Ok I see what you're getting at, and I'd generally agree. The thread was aimed more at the mindless thought that Halo doesn't deserve its scores and that the game sucks, and that there is some giant conspiracy to boost Halo's scores.

people are allowed to believea game is over-rated. while i agree most people who claim it are blind fanboys i still reserve the right to say gears is over-rated.

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#32 NickyJoe_
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Halo is great for console's, but not for PC's

becouse for the PC we just have much better shooters, so the bar is much higher for PC

althrough I truely enjoyed Halo:CE with 3 friends LAN

whoody12

We will see if PC has many FPS better than Halo 3 ;)

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#33 tomarlyn
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Overated? No , Too easy? Yes ... as someone said on the Pc board:

"Far Cry Medium = Halo/Halo 2 Legendary".

Meu2k7

I finished Farcry on medium with adaptive AI, it was tough but I did it. However it took me and my friend 2 hours in co-op on Legendary to finish the first intro level of Halo CE (XBOX version). Halo is easier on the PC because of M&K.

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#34 meetroid8
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The only problem is that HAlo 2 wasn't much better than Halo:CE yet Metroid Prime 2 wasn't much better than Metroid Prime either.
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#35 Hk47ownz
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Ita about time someone voiced this. Halo 2 was still good, but not as good as Halo CE

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#36 DeadMan1290
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[QUOTE="whoody12"]

Halo is great for console's, but not for PC's

becouse for the PC we just have much better shooters, so the bar is much higher for PC

althrough I truely enjoyed Halo:CE with 3 friends LAN

NickyJoe_

We will see if PC has many FPS better than Halo 3 ;)

Crys...Um...Yeah their might be better PC FPS' than Halo 3.

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#37 PBSnipes
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people are allowed to believea game is over-rated. while i agree most people who claim it are blind fanboys i still reserve the right to say gears is over-rated.6matt6
Not really, you have the right to an opinion and to disagree with a review, but not the right to say another person's opinion is wrong, especially when that person's opnion (in the case of the Gears reviews) is well supported.
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The only problem is that HAlo 2 wasn't much better than Halo:CE yet Metroid Prime 2 wasn't much better than Metroid Prime either.meetroid8

But were both AAA all over the place x_x

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[QUOTE="6matt6"]people are allowed to believea game is over-rated. while i agree most people who claim it are blind fanboys i still reserve the right to say gears is over-rated.PBSnipes
Not really, you have the right to an opinion and to disagree with a review, but not the right to say another person's opinion is wrong, especially when that person's opnion (in the case of the Gears reviews) is well supported.

and the opinion that gears has a laggy and glitchy online and a short single player campaign is not valid or supported?

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#40 RotaryRX7
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Opinions are like owning a Ps3 or Wii - pointlessSeckzy_Gamer

Pointless if you're a biased non-gamer Lemming, of course.

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#41 Dopemonk736
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PC has only one title better than Halo IMO, and that is Half-Life 2.
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#42 vickissv2
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What good and ground-breaking game isn't arguably overrated ?

No apostrophe. In the topic title btw

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#43 meetroid8
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[QUOTE="meetroid8"]The only problem is that HAlo 2 wasn't much better than Halo:CE yet Metroid Prime 2 wasn't much better than Metroid Prime either.DeadMan1290

But were both AAA all over the place x_x

Well a AAA game not being as good as another AAA game doesn't make it a not AAA game.

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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="6matt6"]people are allowed to believea game is over-rated. while i agree most people who claim it are blind fanboys i still reserve the right to say gears is over-rated.6matt6

Not really, you have the right to an opinion and to disagree with a review, but not the right to say another person's opinion is wrong, especially when that person's opnion (in the case of the Gears reviews) is well supported.

and the opinion that gears has a laggy and glitchy online and a short single player campaign is not valid or supported?

He said it is well supported. Unless I'm blind and read the wrong thing.

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The multiplayer is a lot of fun, not so much the single player though.
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[QUOTE="6matt6"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="6matt6"]people are allowed to believea game is over-rated. while i agree most people who claim it are blind fanboys i still reserve the right to say gears is over-rated.DeadMan1290

Not really, you have the right to an opinion and to disagree with a review, but not the right to say another person's opinion is wrong, especially when that person's opnion (in the case of the Gears reviews) is well supported.

and the opinion that gears has a laggy and glitchy online and a short single player campaign is not valid or supported?

He said it is well supported. Unless I'm blind and read the wrong thing.

so when people bring up reviews in arguements i just have to drop my opinion because i cant say its wrong?

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#47 DeadMan1290
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[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"]

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]The only problem is that HAlo 2 wasn't much better than Halo:CE yet Metroid Prime 2 wasn't much better than Metroid Prime either.meetroid8

But were both AAA all over the place x_x

Well a AAA game not being as good as another AAA game doesn't make it a not AAA game.

Well said. Hell, your post is going in my sig. that's how well said it is.

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#48 legend26
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yeah it is
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Halo1 was amazing for its time, and still is a good game...Halo2 was trash, and the only good thing about it was multiplayer :? mgreener_34

I understand people saying the first Halo had a better campaign, but calling halo 2 "trash" is just letting everyone know you either didn't play the game, or have nothing but the first Halo to compare it to b/c compared to the rest of the console shooters Halo 2 is still far superior to most.

I think there isa reason why Halo 2 is so highly rated and I think an even more obvious reason why so many people call the Halo franchise "overrated trash"all the time, it's called fanboyism and unrealistic expectations.

I spent a bunch of money on my PC to play Doom 3 and Half life 2, and while HL2 was at least good, neither came close to my expectations. I had too high expectations for Halo 2 as well, but it's still a good game in it's own right, it just wasn't the second coming like so many were foolish enough to believe.

overrated is only an opinion anyhow. anyone who doesn't like a game can say it's overrated, but that ONLY means it is overrated to them, not that it being overrated is a fact.

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#50 PBSnipes
Member since 2007 • 14621 Posts

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="6matt6"]people are allowed to believea game is over-rated. while i agree most people who claim it are blind fanboys i still reserve the right to say gears is over-rated.6matt6

Not really, you have the right to an opinion and to disagree with a review, but not the right to say another person's opinion is wrong, especially when that person's opnion (in the case of the Gears reviews) is well supported.

and the opinion that gears has a laggy and glitchy online and a short single player campaign is not valid or supported?

I'm not saying they're not valid, quite the opposite infact. I'm saying everyone's opinion is valid, so using the term overrated when there is a large portion of people who think it deserved the rating it recieved is wrong. I'm not saying you have to like it, just that you have to respect other people's opinions. Calling a game overrated means that you believe your opinion is more valid than others, and in the case of Gears many of the opinions in support of its rating (such as the IGN and GS reviews) carry more clout than your opinion does.