Halo Reach: Flop Incoming?

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#1 argetlam00
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By flop incoming, I meant critically on gamespot. I mean, Gamespot choose a pro-Sony multiplat (Dead Space 2) over Halo Reach as best Xbox 360 title in E3 Awards...Thats kinda sad and I think its a sign that gamespot isn't impressed by the game.

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#2 Zero_epyon
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By flop incoming, I meant critically on gamespot. I mean, Gamespot choose a pro-Sony multiplat (Dead Space 2) over Halo Reach as best Xbox 360 title in E3 Awards...Thats kinda sad and I think its a sign that gamespot isn't impressed by the game.

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It's hard to judge a game from a 3 minute trailer. Without hands on experience with any game, this is all just speculation. Being best at E3 really doesn't and shouldn't weigh much.
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#3 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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:question:

I fail to see the relation between Dead Space being more impressive in the E3 and the possibility of Reach flopping.

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#4 Iantheone
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Im hyping Reach to be the best halo made so far. Please not im not really a fan of the series, it just looks like they are taking everything that was awesome about the first 4 and put them all together
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#5 Ross_the_Boss6
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I was under the impression E3 awards were not indicative of the final product. Scribblenauts won a ton of E3 awards but when the reviews hit, it averaged 79%.

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I really doubt it. Halo Reach will get AAA.

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#7 rolo107
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

By flop incoming, I meant critically on gamespot. I mean, Gamespot choose a pro-Sony multiplat (Dead Space 2) over Halo Reach as best Xbox 360 title in E3 Awards...Thats kinda sad and I think its a sign that gamespot isn't impressed by the game.

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It's hard to judge a game from a 3 minute trailer. Without hands on experience with any game, this is all just speculation. Being best at E3 really doesn't and shouldn't weigh much.

Just look at Scribblenauts and how that turned out. Best of E3 is not that conclusive of an award, and mainly done just for the hell of it. I don't see how Halo Reach could possibly flop, it's coming to be one of the most fully featured console titles available. Forge(which is so extensive they used it to make some of the official maps in the game), Co-Op Campaign, SP Campaign, Firefight, and good ol' MP.
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#8 LegatoSkyheart
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Halo Reach is the Modern Warfare 2 of this Year.

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Not at all, I expect it get a great score here at gamespot and at most other sites. Also, I expect it to sell very well.
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#10 slvrraven9
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="argetlam00"]

By flop incoming, I meant critically on gamespot. I mean, Gamespot choose a pro-Sony multiplat (Dead Space 2) over Halo Reach as best Xbox 360 title in E3 Awards...Thats kinda sad and I think its a sign that gamespot isn't impressed by the game.

It's hard to judge a game from a 3 minute trailer. Without hands on experience with any game, this is all just speculation. Being best at E3 really doesn't and shouldn't weigh much.

pretty much this. DS 2 is gonna be an awesome game through and through from what i can tell and H:R is gonna be awesome as well. im a big halo fan but cmon you gotta admit that the DS 2 footage was just epic beyong all recogintion. thats not to say that H:R was bad its just that DS 2 was more thrilling than H:R from the trailers...
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with all those features, I can easily see it getting AAA it's just that GS found DS better, so it will be AAA too :D
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#12 Arbiterisl33t69
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Halo Reach is the Modern Warfare 2 of this Year.

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Except the MP is balanced and you won't have to download a patch every single day after release.
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#13 Sky-
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I don't know, TC. I did not enjoy the portions of the other Halo games I played, and I think Reach looks fantastic. In fact, it has impressed me so much, that I want to go back and give the previous Halo titles another go and see if my opinion of them has changed somewhat.

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also there is no way that Reach is gonna flop...on ANY level. by any means...
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#15 argetlam00
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I don't know, TC. I did not enjoy the portions of the other Halo games I played, and I think Reach looks fantastic. In fact, it has impressed me so much, that I want to go back and give the previous Halo titles another go and see if my opinion of them has changed somewhat.

Sky-

im not saying it will, im simply putting forth the possibility because it looks like gamespot made a rather big statement by picking a multiplat (not to mention a pro Sony one) for best 360 game.

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Nope sorry. Halo is an AAA franchise and Halo Reach will not be an exception.

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im not saying it will, im simply putting forth the possibility because I honestly believe that gamespot made a rather big statement by picking a multiplat (not to mention a pro Sony one) for best 360 game.argetlam00
You're looking a little too far into it. Kevin-V said here in SW that after KZ3 Reach was probably the most impressive shooter.
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Reach FLOP? that would be the day SW explodes, Lemms will RAGE, send death treats to GS staff, and you'll see a bunch of multiple suicide threads. COWs will have a field day with them
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#19 ___gamemaster__
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ODST got AAAE. Reach will surpass it in any way.

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#20 Sky-
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im not saying it will, im simply putting forth the possibility because it looks like gamespot made a rather big statement by picking a multiplat (not to mention a pro Sony one) for best 360 game.

argetlam00

I'm curious, how do they decide the E3 awards? Do the reviewing staff take a vote on each individual award?

Also, there is something that might be of interest to you. Someone I know who went to E3 said that at Microsoft's booth, there were a lot of Kinect games, but Halo Reach was nowhere in sight.Perhaps that could have been a factor in the decision as well.

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#21 argetlam00
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

im not saying it will, im simply putting forth the possibility because it looks like gamespot made a rather big statement by picking a multiplat (not to mention a pro Sony one) for best 360 game.

Sky-

Also, there is something that might be of interest to you. Someone I know who went to E3 said that at Microsoft's booth, there were a lot of Kinect games, but Halo Reach was nowhere in sight.Perhaps that could have been a factor in the decision as well.

did gamespot have a stage demo of Reach?

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[QUOTE="Sky-"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

im not saying it will, im simply putting forth the possibility because it looks like gamespot made a rather big statement by picking a multiplat (not to mention a pro Sony one) for best 360 game.

I'm curious, how do they decide the E3 awards? Do the reviewing staff take a vote on each individual award?

Also, there is something that might be of interest to you. Someone I know who went to E3 said that at Microsoft's booth, there were a lot of Kinect games, but Halo Reach was nowhere in sight.Perhaps that could have been a factor in the decision as well.

If I understood right what Kevin-V said, KZ3 was chosen because it was the one that broke the mold with it aerial fights and artstyIe, while Reach and Gears 3, despite being impressive, didn't show anything unexpected.
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#23 Sky-
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did gamespot have a stage demo of Reach?

argetlam00

Oh good point. I remember they brought some guys from Bungie to play Halo Reach. I believe it was the same demo as the one they showed at the press conference.

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I seriously don't want Reach to flop because of the amount of chaos that may occur and this chaos may be worse than what happened with SMG2 when it got a 10. If it gets a 10 the same thing may happen as with SMG2,but not as bad.

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Reach FLOP? that would be the day SW explodes, Lemms will RAGE, send death treats to GS staff, and you'll see a bunch of multiple suicide threads. COWs will have a field day with themRTUUMM

It would be entertaining I admit, but I doubt that will happen. Just like if GT5 would flop

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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Sky-"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

im not saying it will, im simply putting forth the possibility because it looks like gamespot made a rather big statement by picking a multiplat (not to mention a pro Sony one) for best 360 game.

I'm curious, how do they decide the E3 awards? Do the reviewing staff take a vote on each individual award?

Also, there is something that might be of interest to you. Someone I know who went to E3 said that at Microsoft's booth, there were a lot of Kinect games, but Halo Reach was nowhere in sight.Perhaps that could have been a factor in the decision as well.

If I understood right what Kevin-V said, KZ3 was chosen because it was the one that broke the mold with it aerial fights and artstyIe, while Reach and Gears 3, despite being impressive, didn't show anything unexpected.

well the space battles were unexpected...
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considering odst should have got AA Im sure GS will give reach AAA

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#28 jg4xchamp
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In 2008 Fable 2 won best 360 game at Gamespot for E3. Gears of War 2 didn't win an award and got triple-A reviews, and Fable 2 didn't. Scribblenauts was the big winner last year. How did that turn out?
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#29 argetlam00
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considering odst should have got AA Im sure GS will give reach AAA

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yeah now that you mention that you are probably right. There is practically no way that Reach could not be better than ODST. If it gets a lower score one can be sure that it is simply because gamespot didn't receive enough $$$$ in the mail.

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Maybe Dead Space 2 is just that damn awesome???

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#31 Sky-
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If I understood right what Kevin-V said, KZ3 was chosen because it was the one that broke the mold with it aerial fights and artstyIe, while Reach and Gears 3, despite being impressive, didn't show anything unexpected.IronBass

Yea more or less.

Here are GameSpot's criteria for the awards:

"Please keep in mind that with the exception of certain special achievement categories (namely, Most Disappointing Absence, Best E3 Trailer, Biggest "What The...?", and Best Hardware), GameSpot's editors' choice awards were limited to games that were playable in some form at E3, such as being available for hands-on play on the show floor or being part of a hands-off, real-time gameplay demonstration.(However, our readers are able to vote on more choices, including games thatwere notplayable and in some cases, were present only in the form of video trailers.)

Please also keep in mind that the Editors' Choice Awards were given to the games that looked the most impressive and made the most impact at the show itself; they were not necessarily based on any future judgment on how those games may eventually turn out. And finally, please be aware that we consider just being nominated a distinction unto itself. Most categories allowed for up to five Editors' Choice finalists, except for Game of the Show, which includes 10 Editors' Choice finalists.

With that out of the way, let's take a look at the most exciting games, demonstrations, events, and hardware at E3 2010."

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well the space battles were unexpected...Giancar

He mentioned them, but besides that he said it was "very very Halo".

In 2008 Fable 2 won best 360 game at Gamespot for E3.jg4xchamp

Fable2 :lol:

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#33 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="Giancar"]well the space battles were unexpected...IronBass
He mention them, but besides that he said it was "very very Halo".
In 2008 Fable 2 won best 360 game at Gamespot for E3.jg4xchamp
Fable II :lol:

exactly IronBass, exactly. E3 is what impressed you, what surprised you, what got your interests peaked. The problem Reach is that they had a beta, that Halo has its run in the spot light already. Sure Reach might honestly end up being the best FPS this year, but that's something that won't be conveyed in quick demos because in a quick demo you're only going to get what the game is going to feel like. The problem for Reach is that it is still Halo.
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meh child of eden > halo:reach, kz3

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meh child of eden > halo:reach, kz3

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#36 coola426
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don't forget that KZ3 was awarded best SHOOTER by Gamespot. Halo:Reach prob won't be a flop but as I have expected will not be as good as Halo 3.

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#37 Arbiterisl33t69
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don't forget that KZ3 was awarded best SHOOTER by Gamespot. Halo:Reach prob won't be a flop but as I have expected will not be as good as Halo 3.

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Lol what? Your expectations are way off, considering it was so hard to play through a full game of Halo 3 after playing the Reach BETA The game is shaping up to be even better than Halo 1 yet you think it won't be as good as Halo 3. Hilarious.
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]In 2008 Fable 2 won best 360 game at Gamespot for E3.IronBass

Fable2 :lol:

I'm really enjoying Fable 2 right now lol.

On topic though, I'm certain Halo Reach will not flop based off the beta alone.

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I'm really enjoying Fable 2 right now lol.catfishmoon23
It's not bad... it's just meh. How that game has a Metascore of 89 is beyond me.
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erm halo reach will definetly be AAAE....just like how killzone 3 will be AAAE. Shooter love for every console. Though killzone 3 (imo) will be better.
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[QUOTE="coola426"]

don't forget that KZ3 was awarded best SHOOTER by Gamespot. Halo:Reach prob won't be a flop but as I have expected will not be as good as Halo 3.

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Lol what? Your expectations are way off, considering it was so hard to play through a full game of Halo 3 after playing the Reach BETA The game is shaping up to be even better than Halo 1 yet you think it won't be as good as Halo 3. Hilarious.

as a whole package every Halo game it's better than CE CE it's special because the impact it made on consoles, how it drive the original xbox alive, and how it made FPS popular on consoles Reach will be better than CE, but it won't have the impact to replace CE in peoples mind
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#42 ps3_owns_360Wii
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Since when has a Halo game flopped?

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#43 Giancar
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Since when has a Halo game flopped?

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Halo wars MUAHAHAHA :twisted: j/k it's not even in the main series how ODST got AAA, well that just blows my mind *expects Halo fanboys to come ask questions/flame me*
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[QUOTE="catfishmoon23"]I'm really enjoying Fable 2 right now lol.IronBass
It's not bad... it's just meh. How that game has a Metascore of 89 is beyond me.

That's a lie Fable 2 should win an award for most boring game this gen. Atleast DragonAge is boring, but has characters worth playing for. Atleast No More Heroes is wacky and insane enough. That you want to keep giving it a chance even if it is a piece of dog crap Fable 2? oh my god the only good thing in that game is the ability to kick chickens or as I like to call it Innovative Chicken Kicking Technology(ICKT for short)
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#45 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

Since when has a Halo game flopped?

Giancar
Halo wars MUAHAHAHA :twisted: j/k it's not even in the main series how ODST got AAA, well that just blows my mind *expects Halo fanboys to come ask questions/flame me*

yeah but if I remember correctly that was the Halo game everyone hyped like AA or something, and it totally caught everyone off guard with that 9.0(good game, but that score is honestly too high).
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="catfishmoon23"]I'm really enjoying Fable 2 right now lol.jg4xchamp
It's not bad... it's just meh. How that game has a Metascore of 89 is beyond me.

That's a lie Fable 2 should win an award for most boring game this gen. Atleast DragonAge is boring, but has characters worth playing for. Atleast No More Heroes is wacky and insane enough. That you want to keep giving it a chance even if it is a piece of dog crap Fable 2? oh my god the only good thing in that game is the ability to kick chickens or as I like to call it Innovative Chicken Kicking Technology(ICKT for short)

Nah, most boring game this gen is oblivion. See there is so much to do, but the issue is you simply don't want to. No immersion at all.

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#47 Arbiterisl33t69
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[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]

Since when has a Halo game flopped?

Giancar
Halo wars MUAHAHAHA :twisted: j/k it's not even in the main series how ODST got AAA, well that just blows my mind *expects Halo fanboys to come ask questions/flame me*

Nah IMO it shouldn't have scored a 9.0. There's no way Reach will be 9.0 if ODST got 9 Oh and Argentina fan? Please, I'm still pissed..
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#48 mazdero
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There is exactlyZERO possibility of the LAST Halo game flopping. It could be the worst Halo game ever, and it would still score AAA.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="IronBass"] It's not bad... it's just meh. How that game has a Metascore of 89 is beyond me.argetlam00

That's a lie Fable 2 should win an award for most boring game this gen. Atleast DragonAge is boring, but has characters worth playing for. Atleast No More Heroes is wacky and insane enough. That you want to keep giving it a chance even if it is a piece of dog crap Fable 2? oh my god the only good thing in that game is the ability to kick chickens or as I like to call it Innovative Chicken Kicking Technology(ICKT for short)

Nah, most boring game this gen is oblivion. See there is so much to do, but the issue is you simply don't want to. No immersion at all.

I give Bethesda games a free pass on the boring scale. I hate every game they've made. EVER(All 4 elder scroll games and Fallout 3. Hate all of em) At this point I accept them for games that are probably good that I just don't like. That is something I will not give other games the benefit of :P