[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Because you can argue modifications are an extention of the games multiplayer..... All you need is the game to run it. Valve might not of developed it, but they supported these developers, and crafted the tools for them to ceate it. And BTW Team Fortress Classic was a multiplayer component for Half Life from Valve, who hired the original Quake mod developers translate it across for the Golden Source engine.
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Ah, but that's why I give credit to Valve and their engine for making this incredible environment for other games to be made. You said it yourself - "they supported these developers" and "crafted the tools for them to create (TF, CS, DoD, etc)... They didn't make the games. They weren't part of Half-Life. They were actually *very* distinct games from HL. Valve's connection to these things is to facilitate their creation through creating tools... But do any of them make Half-Life itself a better game? Remember, HL had its own multiplayer and its own singleplayer - none of which were affected by CS, TF, DoD, etc. These were independent games you could download later - a side effect of Valve's exceptional engine and great infrastructure for making things like this possible. But, none of them were Half-Life. And yeah, I used to play the old Quake mode of TF. I always did find it funny that people said Half-Life had incredible multiplayer because of a remake of a game that was out on another engine years before... While Half-Life's actual multiplayer, with HL weapons and the HL cast and all that, was swept under the rug in no-time flat.
PS - the walls of text are a result of this bloody forum not getting along with Mozilla, I can't do squat in the way of formatting.Well (the start) that was my point really. :? And no, again TFC was an extension of HLs multiplayer - which was developed by Valve and the original TF creators. Its not an original IP, but its a 'multiplayer component'.
The others were created by independent mod developers using valves tools, and their support.
Again those games are an extention of Half Life.
You can say Half Life Counter Strike had incredible multiplayer, as it is an extension of the game - even if it community made.
It sells more copies, and gains a wider audience.
Why else have Valve supported developers, and continue to hold mods to a high priority - even on steam, right next to their retail releases....
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Its like saying that the user made levels in LBP dont count, if you determine the quality of the game...... They may of been made by other people, using developers tools; but they are still an extension, or in this case core component of the game.
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