DVD 2.0 to be released this year!!! (56k warning!!)

Hey guys, i became curious about this format based on a post by another member, so i did a little research, and DVD 2.0 now renamed DVD-DL is slated for release this later this year!! Could this be the firmware update that the 360 got that was "nothing"?? i dunno....discuss...

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/7451/6/0

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38204/97/

Does it allow more storage?Koalakommander

yes, 24gigs

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]Does it allow more storage?navyguy21

yes, 24gigs

Really? I wonder why Microsoft didn't tell id,"Hey, the 360 will soon be supporting a new format that can hold more information!" when they complained about the need of a third disc and multiple disc royalty fees for Rage. :?

so does this mean DVD movies would start using 2.0 (because normal DVD's work too on it) and as a result we can use upscaling DVDplayersand X360 to play HD movies?chansaet

yes, it it supports up to 960p, and a dvd upscaler to that resolution

I never heard this news before...so am I understanding this correctly? There's a new update for the xbox360 that allwos the HD-DVD to work natively on the machine? Without the attachment?

A lil confused...

Hey guys, i became curious about this format based on a post by another member, so i did a little research, and DVD 2.0 now renamed DVD-DL is slated for release this later this year!! Could this be the firmware update that the 360 got that was "nothing"?? i dunno....discuss...

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/7451/6/0

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38204/97/

navyguy21

Wouldnt get too excited, from what I read it maxes out at 24GB, its call DVD Download because it comes with the SD version of the movie on the disk and will provide you with a HDi code to STREAM the HD verion of the movie.

In other words to keep DVD on life support you will need their upconverting player, the new DVD and a good internet connection. Not gonna do a thing for the 360 or dent movies studio push for Blu ray.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

Hey guys, i became curious about this format based on a post by another member, so i did a little research, and DVD 2.0 now renamed DVD-DL is slated for release this later this year!! Could this be the firmware update that the 360 got that was "nothing"?? i dunno....discuss...

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/7451/6/0

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38204/97/

Javy03

Wouldnt get too excited, from what I read it maxes out at 24GB, its call DVD Download because it comes with the SD version of the movie on the disk and will provide you with a HDi code to STREAM the HD verion of the movie.

In other words to keep DVD on life support you will need their upconverting player, the new DVD and a good internet connection. Not gonna do a thing for the 360 or dent movies studio push for Blu ray.

When in doubt and insecure, just speculate...

I never heard this news before...so am I understanding this correctly? There's a new update for the xbox360 that allwos the HD-DVD to work natively on the machine? Without the attachment?

A lil confused...

groovdafied

No there is Toshiba working on something for blu ray and patenting a new DVD DL logo. Nobody knows 100% what it does but supposedly it will allow for HD movies to be played off DVDs, however from what I read it will need the Internet to stream so the DVD still only has the SD version.

I never heard this news before...so am I understanding this correctly? There's a new update for the xbox360 that allwos the HD-DVD to work natively on the machine? Without the attachment?

A lil confused...

groovdafied

No, this is a new tech. thats is supported by all existing dvd players, dvd upconverters, and the new dvd-dl players, but only the dvd-dl players and upscalers can access the HD content because they are able to be updated via firmware. But the 360 had an update recently and no one knows what was for. so if this is releasing this year, it couldve been support for the new disc. we dont know really

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]

Hey guys, i became curious about this format based on a post by another member, so i did a little research, and DVD 2.0 now renamed DVD-DL is slated for release this later this year!! Could this be the firmware update that the 360 got that was "nothing"?? i dunno....discuss...

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/7451/6/0

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38204/97/

AlphaGamer469

Wouldnt get too excited, from what I read it maxes out at 24GB, its call DVD Download because it comes with the SD version of the movie on the disk and will provide you with a HDi code to STREAM the HD verion of the movie.

In other words to keep DVD on life support you will need their upconverting player, the new DVD and a good internet connection. Not gonna do a thing for the 360 or dent movies studio push for Blu ray.

When in doubt and insecure, just speculate...

Are you referring to me. Thats actually pretty funny because if you actually new anything about this topic you would know its ALL speculation. Toshiba hasnt announced any solid details and all we have is speculation. I posted what one of the speculation figured would be the most likly scenerio. Now seeing the name change from DVD 2.0 to DVD Download, I have a strong feeling he is right.

I have no insecurities, I know Blu ray was gonna beat HD DVD and I am very sure it will remain the standard for HD content. Adding 4 layers to a dying DVD format is not gonna solve our problem when we have movies that fit on 50GB blu rays. Not to mention the fact these DVDs seem to need the internet.

When in doubt and insecure, just attack...

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

Hey guys, i became curious about this format based on a post by another member, so i did a little research, and DVD 2.0 now renamed DVD-DL is slated for release this later this year!! Could this be the firmware update that the 360 got that was "nothing"?? i dunno....discuss...

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/7451/6/0

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38204/97/

Javy03

Wouldnt get too excited, from what I read it maxes out at 24GB, its call DVD Download because it comes with the SD version of the movie on the disk and will provide you with a HDi code to STREAM the HD verion of the movie.

In other words to keep DVD on life support you will need their upconverting player, the new DVD and a good internet connection. Not gonna do a thing for the 360 or dent movies studio push for Blu ray.

that sounds like one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Do you know how long it would take to download a HD movie? If they do this this format will die in like a day. Why not downscale the HD movies when playing it in SD? I can play 720p movies on 480p on the X360. Is downscaling the 960p movie to 480p impossible to do or something?

P.S. I'm not bashing you but them if that is what they are going to do.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]

Hey guys, i became curious about this format based on a post by another member, so i did a little research, and DVD 2.0 now renamed DVD-DL is slated for release this later this year!! Could this be the firmware update that the 360 got that was "nothing"?? i dunno....discuss...

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/7451/6/0

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38204/97/

chansaet

Wouldnt get too excited, from what I read it maxes out at 24GB, its call DVD Download because it comes with the SD version of the movie on the disk and will provide you with a HDi code to STREAM the HD verion of the movie.

In other words to keep DVD on life support you will need their upconverting player, the new DVD and a good internet connection. Not gonna do a thing for the 360 or dent movies studio push for Blu ray.

that sounds like one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Do you know how long it would take to download a HD movie? If they do this this format will die in like a day. Why not downscale the HD movies when playing it in SD? I can play 720p movies on 480p on the X360. Is downscaling the 960p movie to 480p impossible to do or something?

P.S. I'm not bashing you but them if that is what they are going to do.

IF they are trying to keep DVD on life support why not make it double sided. One side a SD version and the other side the DVD 2.0 simliar to what they did with 300

http://www.amazon.com/300-Combo-HD-DVD-Standard/dp/B000Q6GXW2

That would be alot cheaper than hosting a server where people download HD movies from.

I never heard this news before...so am I understanding this correctly? There's a new update for the xbox360 that allwos the HD-DVD to work natively on the machine? Without the attachment?

A lil confused...

groovdafied

No, this is a firmware update for ALL dvd players that have upgradeable firmware, AND support component out HD resolutions (such as upscaling dvd players and the xbox 360) and will allow upscaling and native 960p support for movies due to the larger size on the disc. This also would mean developers could make all these "multidisc" games on one disc now.

This also would mean, if true, that john carmacks statement about the ps3 having worse hardware and better storage, would no longer apply.... if true, but somehow seems too good to be possible.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]

Hey guys, i became curious about this format based on a post by another member, so i did a little research, and DVD 2.0 now renamed DVD-DL is slated for release this later this year!! Could this be the firmware update that the 360 got that was "nothing"?? i dunno....discuss...

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/7451/6/0

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38204/97/

chansaet

Wouldnt get too excited, from what I read it maxes out at 24GB, its call DVD Download because it comes with the SD version of the movie on the disk and will provide you with a HDi code to STREAM the HD verion of the movie.

In other words to keep DVD on life support you will need their upconverting player, the new DVD and a good internet connection. Not gonna do a thing for the 360 or dent movies studio push for Blu ray.

that sounds like one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Do you know how long it would take to download a HD movie? If they do this this format will die in like a day. Why not downscale the HD movies when playing it in SD? I can play 720p movies on 480p on the X360. Is downscaling the 960p movie to 480p impossible to do or something?

P.S. I'm not bashing you but them if that is what they are going to do.

I agree, its a dumb idea if this is what it turns out to be. The more and more I start to think the more and more I think this is less about DVD vs. Blu ray and more about HDi vs itunes. I think this is an alternative to those DVDs that offer the digital copy. This obviously couldnt impact Blu ray but it might impact those digital downloads that are coming free with movies.

Thanks TC...

In my thread I got bombarded with haters. Again , thank you.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

Hey guys, i became curious about this format based on a post by another member, so i did a little research, and DVD 2.0 now renamed DVD-DL is slated for release this later this year!! Could this be the firmware update that the 360 got that was "nothing"?? i dunno....discuss...

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/7451/6/0

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38204/97/

Javy03

Wouldnt get too excited, from what I read it maxes out at 24GB, its call DVD Download because it comes with the SD version of the movie on the disk and will provide you with a HDi code to STREAM the HD verion of the movie.

In other words to keep DVD on life support you will need their upconverting player, the new DVD and a good internet connection. Not gonna do a thing for the 360 or dent movies studio push for Blu ray.

the technology isn't backwarards compatible with current DVD drives.

at least, that's my understanding of it. might be an inexpensive upgrade, but who knows. consoles don't do "upgrades" like that.

[QUOTE="groovdafied"]

I never heard this news before...so am I understanding this correctly? There's a new update for the xbox360 that allwos the HD-DVD to work natively on the machine? Without the attachment?

A lil confused...

Phazevariance

No, this is a firmware update for ALL dvd players that have upgradeable firmware, AND support component out HD resolutions (such as upscaling dvd players and the xbox 360) and will allow upscaling and native 960p support for movies due to the larger size on the disc. This also would mean developers could make all these "multidisc" games on one disc now.

This also would mean, if true, that john carmack said the ps3 has worse hardware and no logner has the advantage of super large disc space over the 360... if true, but somehow seems too good to be possible.

????? What? From what I read these disks will come with the SD movie and with internet connection and the right cables you will be able to stream the HD movie with the internet. I seriously doubt adding more layers will make this stable for 360 use. You also do realize that the reason the 360 and PS3s load times are simliar even though the 360s DVD drive is suppossed to be faster is because the games are on DVD9s which make the read time take a huge hit. Can you imagine the hit the load times would take if you added another layer to that. It wouldnt be pretty.

960p? :lol: How many TVs support that resolution? Pretty pointless when it'll either be upscaled to 1080p or downscaled to 720p.BZSIN

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]

Hey guys, i became curious about this format based on a post by another member, so i did a little research, and DVD 2.0 now renamed DVD-DL is slated for release this later this year!! Could this be the firmware update that the 360 got that was "nothing"?? i dunno....discuss...

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/7451/6/0

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38204/97/

LibertySaint

Wouldnt get too excited, from what I read it maxes out at 24GB, its call DVD Download because it comes with the SD version of the movie on the disk and will provide you with a HDi code to STREAM the HD verion of the movie.

In other words to keep DVD on life support you will need their upconverting player, the new DVD and a good internet connection. Not gonna do a thing for the 360 or dent movies studio push for Blu ray.

Like I said before DVD read speeds take big hits when you add layers. DVD9 takes the very fast read speed of the 360s harddrive and makes it barely faster then the 2x Blu ray drive. Imagine what more layers would do to the loading.

the technology isn't backwarards compatible with current DVD drives.

at least, that's my understanding of it. might be an inexpensive upgrade, but who knows. consoles don't do "upgrades" like that.

Dreams-Visions

I trust your knowledge of the subject over the other naysayers trying to act like they know...

the technology isn't backwarards compatible with current DVD drives.

at least, that's my understanding of it. might be an inexpensive upgrade, but who knows. consoles don't do "upgrades" like that.

Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

the technology isn't backwarards compatible with current DVD drives.

at least, that's my understanding of it. might be an inexpensive upgrade, but who knows. consoles don't do "upgrades" like that.

AlphaGamer469

I trust your knowledge of the subject over the other naysayers trying to act like they know...

No you just like him because he praises your system here and there.

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]

Hey guys, i became curious about this format based on a post by another member, so i did a little research, and DVD 2.0 now renamed DVD-DL is slated for release this later this year!! Could this be the firmware update that the 360 got that was "nothing"?? i dunno....discuss...

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/7451/6/0

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38204/97/

Javy03

Wouldnt get too excited, from what I read it maxes out at 24GB, its call DVD Download because it comes with the SD version of the movie on the disk and will provide you with a HDi code to STREAM the HD verion of the movie.

In other words to keep DVD on life support you will need their upconverting player, the new DVD and a good internet connection. Not gonna do a thing for the 360 or dent movies studio push for Blu ray.

Like I said before DVD read speeds take big hits when you add layers. DVD9 takes the very fast read speed of the 360s harddrive and makes it barely faster then the 2x Blu ray drive. Imagine what more layers would do to the loading.

you guys have it all wrong. it has no more space, show a link that says otherwise.

its just online connected dvds + the upscale that has zero proof if its any better then any other upscale dvd player.

Like I said before DVD read speeds take big hits when you add layers. DVD9 takes the very fast read speed of the 360s harddrive and makes it barely faster then the 2x Blu ray drive. Imagine what more layers would do to the loading.

Javy03

i hate to admit it, but you are right, if true, this is both a solution for MS, and a new problem for 360 devs since there is sure harddrive for cache, i guess they'll be duplicating data like with blu-ray lol

you guys have it all wrong. it has no more space, show a link that says other wise.

its just online connected dvds + the upscale that has zero proof if its any better then any other upscale dvd player.

killzowned24

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

the technology isn't backwarards compatible with current DVD drives.

at least, that's my understanding of it. might be an inexpensive upgrade, but who knows. consoles don't do "upgrades" like that.

LibertySaint

The articles are all speculation, Toshiba has announced nothing and definatly havnt mention anything for the Xbox 360. The truth is we have no clue if they do have a 24GB DVD, thats all a rumor. All we know is that they changed DVD 2.0 to DVD DL and if they plan to use the internet to download HD movies its most likly because the disk isnt 24GB big.

[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

the technology isn't backwarards compatible with current DVD drives.

at least, that's my understanding of it. might be an inexpensive upgrade, but who knows. consoles don't do "upgrades" like that.

Javy03

I trust your knowledge of the subject over the other naysayers trying to act like they know...

No you just like him because he praises your system here and there.

What you bitter because he isn't a blind fanboy like you?

but with installs becoming something everyone uses, they can just install that data or cache it when it has the chance to.LibertySaint

Installs is something PS3 games use because they have a standard HDD and large ones. THe 360 doesnt have that and their most popular model is 20GB large. It would have to be an optional HDD install and if its optional the devs cant depend on an install to help their game out drastically because not all gamers will opt to install.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

you guys have it all wrong. it has no more space, show a link that says other wise.

its just online connected dvds + the upscale that has zero proof if its any better then any other upscale dvd player.

LibertySaint

Where is the link?

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]

you guys have it all wrong. it has no more space, show a link that says other wise.

its just online connected dvds + the upscale that has zero proof if its any better then any other upscale dvd player.

killzowned24

Where is the link?

http://www.eproductwars.com/reportcontent.cfm?iscomment=true&ID=61907

What you bitter because he isn't a blind fanboy like you?

AlphaGamer469

LOL...I never made any negative comment in this thread about the 360, but stayed on topic which was peoples interpretation of the speculation behind DVD DL. You are the one who found the need to attack and add nothing to the topic but insults. Yet I am the fanboy, LOL.

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]

Hey guys, i became curious about this format based on a post by another member, so i did a little research, and DVD 2.0 now renamed DVD-DL is slated for release this later this year!! Could this be the firmware update that the 360 got that was "nothing"?? i dunno....discuss...

http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/7451/6/0

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38204/97/

Javy03

Wouldnt get too excited, from what I read it maxes out at 24GB, its call DVD Download because it comes with the SD version of the movie on the disk and will provide you with a HDi code to STREAM the HD verion of the movie.

In other words to keep DVD on life support you will need their upconverting player, the new DVD and a good internet connection. Not gonna do a thing for the 360 or dent movies studio push for Blu ray.

Like I said before DVD read speeds take big hits when you add layers. DVD9 takes the very fast read speed of the 360s harddrive and makes it barely faster then the 2x Blu ray drive. Imagine what more layers would do to the loading.

No, they have a new technology to help fight crossreads, which is the major cause of slowdowns. Meaning they can maintain the speed at a higher rate than without that tech. Still, I could care less about the HD features as opposed to the fact that mutli disc games can be on one disc now.

500 GB Blu-Ray disk says high:)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10007133-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt

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500 GB Blu-Ray disk says high:)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10007133-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt

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agentzero23

or just hit the spacebar after the link...

500 GB Blu-Ray disk says high:)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10007133-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt

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agentzero23

Cool. With the PS3's 2x read speed this should work out well.

No, they have a new technology to help fight crossreads, which is the major cause of slowdowns. Meaning they can maintain the speed at a higher rate than without that tech. Still, I could care less about the HD features as opposed to the fact that mutli disc games can be on one disc now.

Phazevariance

See now, we have a winner. You'll have the faster speeds (hence no installs,) combined with increased disc space( ceasing the cows lame 'I don't like to disc swap' argument.) I guess this just means cows will have to revert into making up RROD stories again...

This is very interesting. I've never herd of this before. Glad you brought it up.

[QUOTE="agentzero23"]

500 GB Blu-Ray disk says high:)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10007133-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt

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xsubtownerx

Cool. With the PS3's 2x read speed this should work out well.

I know, and this DVD 2.0 should work out just as well as their HD-DVD drive did.