DS graphics matching up to psp

Unless you've been hiding under a rock, you know the DS is insanely popular. It lives up to its predecessor, the Game Boy Advance, churning out plenty of good games, not always graphically impressive, but fun for months none-the-less. Now developers are beginning to learn how to utilize the DS to its full potential. The main point I want to make in this post is, the DS is catching up. I only realized this partly after Zelda: Phantom hourglass, which uses the whole DS card's memory, something older DS games did not. When I stumbled onto Tales of Innocence for the DS, it really got me thinking.

The tales of...series is one of my favorites (ever since tales of symphonia), and after viewing some trailers on Namco's website, I thought "How much better can it get than this? maybe on the psp?" Well I went to Ign, watched Tales of the World since I had an excuse and was jealous. If you watch both, the thing I notice is that the lighting in the psp is definetly brighter, but overall, the environments and battle sequences arent that different. The cutscenes are Anime, so their equal there.

I think that developers are just realizing this, with games like ASH, and hopefully will still be great games not counting graphics. Dragon Quest IX was put on delay even longer because they said they could make some MORE enhancements to it, after Zelda set a new standard. Now I've looked at the FF7: Crisis Core and I know that it does look better, but its a much newer game, as is Tales of Innocence. What will Nintendo's next handheld have to offer?

Anyone that has a DS can tell you that the games are fun (Mario Kart, Animal Crossing), addictive (Jump! Ultimate Stars, Metroid) and challenging (Castlevania's, Pheonix Wright), and covers a wide range of genres. Its the handheld version of the ps2. Its reinvented handhelds.Soon, I guarantee that DS games are going to be looking a lot better, or not to keep the old school feel (contra, metal slug). Here are the links so you can agree or disagree, I mean this IS system wars.

Tales of Innocence: http://namco-ch.net/talesofinnocence/video/tgs_pv.php(you should watch all 3 videos)

Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology http://media.psp.ign.com/media/836/836506/vid_1987776.html

I know both games are great (even though ToI isnt out yet) and Im not saying that the psp doesn't have its moments, but I find the DS much more enjoyable, especially with Wifi games. I spend more money actually buying games for the DS than I do for the Wii. I hope that this is insightful to somepeople. I know its really long, and most people aren't going to read this since its so fricken long.

:| No. Somebody post a pic of Crisis Core or God of War, then we can end this thread.

Ugh, Im comparing the 2 games in the link, Im not even showing ASH or Zelda. So calm down, bet you didnt even read it.

I've seen GoW: CoO and FF7 in action, I know their impressive, but they're not THAT much better. It seems people just believe what they hear and dont actually look the stuff up to see if it really is that good.

lol you didnt play a PSP, dint you? lol

watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_e-WuldDJU

now, think before u post anything

I guess no one wants to give the DS a chance...pity. Watch the video's people

I guess no one wants to give the DS a chance...pity. Watch the video's people

TalesofRaGnArOk

The DS will never have better graphics than the PSP, Crisis Core and God of War are prime examples of that.

So no one watched the videos huh?...the point of this thread wasnt about Chains of Olympus or FF7, I already said they were impressive (portable ps2 right?) but depth and quality-wise, the winner is RpGs, which is what I was comparing.TalesofRaGnArOk

I watched the videos and although the DS game is shaping up very nicely it still doesn't compete with the PSP. The DS has superior controls and portability, be happy with that. Visuals really aren't that important on a handheld.

the DS is an absolutely cracking handheld....the best made in a very long time. its an ideal protable gaming system. the touch screen is fantastic and some of the games on it are absolutely brilliant (i still play advance wars from time to time...bloody brilliant game).

but no TC......were not going to see the DS catch up to the PSP on the graphics front.....ever. it cant be done. it can do. some nice 3d stuff (MK has a really nice chunky look about it) but comparing it to PSP games for graphics is folly. i have both handhelds and although i prefer the DS.....the PSPs graphics are just far superior on a technical level.

the graphics on DS might improve a bit over time (PH is certainly looking lovely) but they just wont get to PSP levels. DS simply doesent have the grunt to pull it off.....its got 2 processors, 1 running at 66MHz and the other at 33MHz and i think it has 4MB of ram. theres only so much devs can squeez out of that. the PSP has a 333MHz cpu (now fully unlocked for devs it seems) and a 162MHz GPU. it also has 32MB of ram. the DS just cant compete with the PSP in the horsepower battle.

artistically speaking, well thats all opinion of course. imho though, GOW on PSP is just going to floor anything on the DS on the graphics front. artistically and technically, the game looks wonderful (i just hope the devs nail the controls).

So no one watched the videos huh?...the point of this thread wasnt about Chains of Olympus or FF7, I already said they were impressive (portable ps2 right?) but depth and quality-wise, the winner is RpGs, which is what I was comparing.TalesofRaGnArOk

That Tales game doesn't even come close to a lot of 3D PSP games, probably closer to Death Jr then anything.

Play MGS Portable Ops, and this kind of thought won't ever cross your mind.

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C'mon guys, I never said ONCE that teh graphics were the SAME. I said that the DS was catching up, not the same, but possibly getting close.

The Ds isn't close to the PSP graphics wise. End Thread Now!Soulja_West

PSP can hang with the Wii.

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C'mon guys, I never said ONCE that teh graphics were the SAME. I said that the DS was catching up, not the same, but possibly getting close.

TalesofRaGnArOk

And the PSP just gets further away.

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]

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C'mon guys, I never said ONCE that teh graphics were the SAME. I said that the DS was catching up, not the same, but possibly getting close.

Ragnarok1051

And the PSP just gets further away.

Thats why I talked about the DS using up all its memory for the NEW games in the NEW cartridges that hold More memory, while the psp has nothing NEW to use, unless Im ignorant about the psp slim?

God of War doesn't look THAT good?

I suggest you watch some more videos on it.

It's absolutely amazing. The best looking handheld game to date.

DS is getting better in the graphics department, but nowhere near close to Chains of Olympus.

:| No. Somebody post a pic of Crisis Core or God of War, then we can end this thread.

Ragnarok1051

And then I would post a pic of Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword and then you = owned into nothingness

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

:| No. Somebody post a pic of Crisis Core or God of War, then we can end this thread.

Kritical_Strike

And then I would post a pic of Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword and then you = owned into nothingness

Have you seen Crisis Core? It looks better than 90% of Wii games.

en

Ninja gaiden dragon sword

God of war chains of olympus.

Syphon filter logan's shadow

FF7 crisis core. Tell me which one looks better.

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

:| No. Somebody post a pic of Crisis Core or God of War, then we can end this thread.

Ragnarok1051

And then I would post a pic of Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword and then you = owned into nothingness

Have you seen Crisis Core? It looks better than 90% of Wii games.

Actually I should of said 'vid' of NGDS, the graphics are good, but not Crisis Core good, the DS just isn't capable of those kind of visuals. However in motion it owns GoW into the ground.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

:| No. Somebody post a pic of Crisis Core or God of War, then we can end this thread.

Kritical_Strike

And then I would post a pic of Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword and then you = owned into nothingness

Ninja Gaiden is not going to help much, since Crisis Core and God of War still look better.:|

en

Ninja gaiden dragon sword

God of war chains of olympus.

Syphon filter logan's shadow

FF7 crisis core. Tell me which one looks better.

numba1234

my psp can output 1080 x 725 now? Awesome.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

:| No. Somebody post a pic of Crisis Core or God of War, then we can end this thread.

Kritical_Strike

And then I would post a pic of Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword and then you = owned into nothingness

Have you seen Crisis Core? It looks better than 90% of Wii games.

Actually I should of said 'vid' of NGDS, the graphics are good, but not Crisis Core good, the DS just isn't capable of those kind of visuals. However in motion it owns GoW into the ground.

You're still losing ground on this.

The DS sure is flexing it's muscles now, but it's not that close to comparing to the PSP. It has come closer, but not enough. nintendofreak_2

And thats the original topic creator point, but everyone is ignoring that and started making assumptions.....

When the DS get a games equivalent to that of Ocarina of Time, I would truly say that it has nearly caught up to PSP's first-gen graphic games...

The DS' graphics are getting better yes, but no where close to that of the PSP

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"]The DS sure is flexing it's muscles now, but it's not that close to comparing to the PSP. It has come closer, but not enough. tocool340

And thats the original topic creator point, but everyone is ignoring that and started making assumptions.....

When the DS get a games equivalent to that of Ocarina of Time, I would truly say that it has nearly caught up to PSP's first-gen graphic games...

That is true he is also saying it is getting closer to the PSP as well. Be that as it may, but as the DS gets "closer" the PSP just gets farther.

And thats the original topic creator point, but everyone is ignoring that and started making assumptions.....

When the DS get a games equivalent to that of Ocarina of Time, I would truly say that it has nearly caught up to PSP's first-gen graphic games...

tocool340

No... Just outright no. DS graphics will never match up to the psp.

And I have both.

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"]The DS sure is flexing it's muscles now, but it's not that close to comparing to the PSP. It has come closer, but not enough. tocool340

And thats the original topic creator point, but everyone is ignoring that and started making assumptions.....

When the DS get a games equivalent to that of Ocarina of Time, I would truly say that it has nearly caught up to PSP's first-gen graphic games...

Considering how the DS is supposedly equivalent to the N64. I think we should expect Ocarina level graphics.RedMarzBoy

[QUOTE="tocool340"]

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"]The DS sure is flexing it's muscles now, but it's not that close to comparing to the PSP. It has come closer, but not enough. RedMarzBoy

And thats the original topic creator point, but everyone is ignoring that and started making assumptions.....

When the DS get a games equivalent to that of Ocarina of Time, I would truly say that it has nearly caught up to PSP's first-gen graphic games...

If the DS had a couple 1000 more pixels, maybe. But there are things the N64 can do that DS can not. And it can also be said vice versa as well....

Not quite.

[QUOTE="tocool340"]

And thats the original topic creator point, but everyone is ignoring that and started making assumptions.....

When the DS get a games equivalent to that of Ocarina of Time, I would truly say that it has nearly caught up to PSP's first-gen graphic games...

nintendofreak_2

I just checked those Tales' videos out. Thats does actually look impressive. Better than what I would thought the DS can do. It would have done better if Nintendo could have added more pixels for the DS. It's kind of annoying playing Pokemon Diamond, and being able to see the pixel squares on my DS screen so easily......

Not quite.

agentfred

I just checked those Tales' videos out. Thats does actually look impressive. Better than what I would thought the DS can do. It would have done better if Nintendo could have added more pixels for the DS. It's kind of annoying playing Pokemon Diamond, and being able to see the pixel squares on my DS screen so easily......

tocool340

dude ur attempt fails miserably.

catching up?

it never will

improve?

maybe.

catching up?

never

catching up?

never

so stop trying to convince people. its too obvious ds graphics are far inferior to psps. jus go watch crisis core or gow gameplay.

nobody cares. so stop trying.

[QUOTE="agentfred"]

Not quite.

tocool340

Gameplay

CGI

Now which do you think that one was?

:| No. Somebody post a pic of Crisis Core or God of War, then we can end this thread.

Ragnarok1051

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]

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C'mon guys, I never said ONCE that teh graphics were the SAME. I said that the DS was catching up, not the same, but possibly getting close.

TalesofRaGnArOk

And the PSP just gets further away.

Thats why I talked about the DS using up all its memory for the NEW games in the NEW cartridges that hold More memory, while the psp has nothing NEW to use, unless Im ignorant about the psp slim?

Not exactly, Sony has recently unlocked the cap 266mhz on the 333mhz capable CPU about a couple months ago for developers to take advantage of, so this may show some improvement overrall.