Downloaded games should/do count now

Get over it fanboys...Downloaded games count in considering a gaming systems games. It helps one make a buying decision. It's not like anyone is saying downloaded games aren't fun.

To believe downloaded games are any different than full disk games you'd have to believe that the 3 disks that make up blue dragon make it a better game than any other AAA game on a single disk. Because when comparing a game like blue dragon which is on 3 disks there is no way a single disk game can compete, so it's unfair to saddle a single disk game with competing with the likes of Blue Dragon.

Also you have to believe that if a game comes out for download as the first way to get it then when/if it comes out a disk, then and only then is it worth talking about in SW game metrics.

You have to believe that when a game is reviewed the price isn't taken into consideration. So that a game like KZ2 if it costs $100 it would still be AAA and a game like Braid if it was $50 it would still be AAA. Reviews consider the cost of the game and that's why Downloaded game count in review score totals. Heavenly sword was dinged because of the length of gameplay...had heavenly sword been sold on the cheap at launch then it could have gotten AAA and counted toward the game counts (but then by the DL not counting logic it would mean it shouldn't count since it's not a $50+ game). Speaking of which what does Banjo Nuts and Bolts count as? It was sold at below normal full game price when it luanched...$39 I believe. So is it 1/2 retail and 1/2 download?

We are here because we love games any great game is a great game that should count.

From here on Downloaded games count (which they really always have it's just some fanboys didn't want to give up ownage to the other guys for some AAA downloaded games).

Edit: You also have to believe that systems like OnLive (if ever released) won't count at SW because it's not on a disc.

Edit 2: Classic games available for download do count when/if they get reviewed under today's standards which do take cost into consideration so yes that's fair.

If DL games count then ps3 win with just the PS1 classic section alone.RTUUMM

If DL games count then ps3 win with just the PS1 classic section alone.RTUUMM

If DL games count then ps3 win with just the PS1 classic section alone.RTUUMM

I totally agree, expansions and such should count as well. I was very susprised when gamespot didnt review the GTA DLC, i mean they have reviewed every other expansion and the TLAD added over 20 hours of gameplay. If it wasnt for GS retarded rules it would have been a AAAE. They leave out the GTA expansion but review every other expansion till TLAD was released. SOunds more cowspot.

Picture this: what if the only good game on 360 was Geometry Wars 2, and the only good game on PS3 was Infamous? Would the 360's library be just as good as the PS3's, since Geometry Wars has the same score as Infamous?Cherokee_Jack

I totally agree, expansions and such should count as well. I was very susprised when gamespot didnt review the GTA DLC, i mean they have reviewed every other expansion and the TLAD added over 20 hours of gameplay. If it wasnt for GS retarded rules it would have been a AAAE. They leave out the GTA expansion but review every other expansion till TLAD was released. SOunds more cowspot.

big_orc

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Picture this: what if the only good game on 360 was Geometry Wars 2, and the only good game on PS3 was Infamous? Would the 360's library be just as good as the PS3's, since Geometry Wars has the same score as Infamous?stiltzsy

The PSP GO will only use downloadable games, so yes it has to count.

Downloadable games should count when it is a full game, i.e just like a disc based game but released on PSN instead, for the price of a full game.

Picture this: what if the only good game on 360 was Geometry Wars 2, and the only good game on PS3 was Infamous? Would the 360's library be just as good as the PS3's, since Geometry Wars has the same score as Infamous?Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="stiltzsy"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Picture this: what if the only good game on 360 was Geometry Wars 2, and the only good game on PS3 was Infamous? Would the 360's library be just as good as the PS3's, since Geometry Wars has the same score as Infamous?Cherokee_Jack

Downloadable games should count when it is a full game, i.e just like a disc based game but released on PSN instead, for the price of a full game.

SeanDiff

Picture this: what if the only good game on 360 was Geometry Wars 2, and the only good game on PS3 was Infamous? Would the 360's library be just as good as the PS3's, since Geometry Wars has the same score as Infamous?Cherokee_Jack

Let's just keep it simple.siLVURcross

If DL games count then ps3 win with just the PS1 classic section alone.RTUUMM

ya u right they should count bur they get rated differently so their hard to countmurat8

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Let's just keep it simple.stiltzsy

[QUOTE="murat8"]ya u right they should count bur they get rated differently so their hard to countstiltzsy

Now if GS didn't take cost/value into consideration when determining game scores then this would be broken. But since they do every AAA is worth the same in gameplay VALUE as the next.stiltzsy

They're reviewed by a different standard, doesn't matter how hard or how much time you spend trying to twist this, that's just how it is. Brainkiller05

[QUOTE="stiltzsy"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Let's just keep it simple.siLVURcross

[QUOTE="stiltzsy"]Now if GS didn't take cost/value into consideration when determining game scores then this would be broken. But since they do every AAA is worth the same in gameplay VALUE as the next.Cherokee_Jack

im not really following why vc/ps1 games etc would count since thats a lot like counting ps2 or xbox originals game towards the ps3/wii/xbox 360s counts. but i could care less either way. the idea that downloadable games dont count is pretty silly. games are already graded differently anyway (do you really think ds games are getting put to the same expectations as ps3 games?).

im not really following why vc/ps1 games etc would count since thats a lot like counting ps2 or xbox originals game towards the ps3/wii/xbox 360s counts. but i could care less either way. the idea that downloadable games dont count is pretty silly. games are already graded differently anyway (do you really think ds games are getting put to the same expectations as ps3 games?).

CaptainHarley

no.

maybe we can compare downloadable games in a seperate list, but them being part of full games lists is misleading.

no.

maybe we can compare downloadable games in a seperate list, but them being part of full games lists is misleading.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="stiltzsy"]Now if GS didn't take cost/value into consideration when determining game scores then this would be broken. But since they do every AAA is worth the same in gameplay VALUE as the next.stiltzsy

[QUOTE="stiltzsy"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Really? Is that part of GS' review policy?Cherokee_Jack

And then there's games like BK:N&B. That game retails at under $40...so how do you directly compare that to a Halo3?

If they don't cound why do GTA and Fallout DLCs gets constantly listed?

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="stiltzsy"] Yes, just read the reviews. In fact, BRAID almost got dinged for costing too much but they said it was such a great game it made up for it. Orange Box scored as high as it did because it had so much content (even though some are old).stiltzsy

And then there's games like BK:N&B. That game retails at under $40...so how do you directly compare that to a Halo3?

The PSP GO will only use downloadable games, so yes it has to count.

gago-gago

But, you forget that not all games are judged on the same standards. Value is taken into consideration, but that doesn't mean you can directly compare a retail AAA to a downloadable AAA.Cherokee_Jack

And then there's games like BK:N&B. That game retails at under $40...so how do you directly compare that to a Halo3?

The PSP GO will only use downloadable games, so yes it has to count.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="stiltzsy"] Well if you're talking directly comparing you can't directly compare PD0 to KZ2 now can you? So let's throw all games out except for any game scores in teh last month or two.

And then there's games like BK:N&B. That game retails at under $40...so how do you directly compare that to a Halo3?

stiltzsy

I didn't say it was the *same* standard. I said it was a very similar standard. It should be obvious why that is.

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

no.

maybe we can compare downloadable games in a seperate list, but them being part of full games lists is misleading.

stiltzsy

i think it would depend on the price and weather or not it's a "full" game for lack of a better word... a game like warhawk should be counted because it was 40 bucks when it came out and had the content to make it worth the price tag.

compilation discs shouldn't count (that includes sega genesis, XBLAcompilations etc.)

I also think we as a gaming community can play it by ear when a game is released and decide then if a game on both disc and downloadable form should be counted as a "full" game or "arcade" game.

[QUOTE="stiltzsy"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] The PS3's standards are very similar to the 360's, and Banjo wasn't reviewed by different standards than other retail 360 games simply because it was cheaper than the average game.Cherokee_Jack

I didn't say it was the *same* standard. I said it was a very similar standard. It should be obvious why that is.

[QUOTE="bleehum"][QUOTE="gago-gago"]

The PSP GO will only use downloadable games, so yes it has to count.

stiltzsy

mostly the pricetag.

full psp games are what? 40 bucks when they come out? some are 30 as well. those are full games.

PSN games thatdebut at5-15 bucks are not.

[QUOTE="stiltzsy"][QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

no.

maybe we can compare downloadable games in a seperate list, but them being part of full games lists is misleading.

i think it would depend on the price and weather or not it's a "full" game for lack of a better word... a game like warhawk should be counted because it was 40 bucks when it came out and had the content to make it worth the price tag.

compilation discs shouldn't count (that includes sega genesis, XBLAcompilations etc.)

I also think we as a gaming community can play it by ear when a game is released and decide then if a game on both disc and downloadable form should be counted as a "full" game or "arcade" game.

[QUOTE="stiltzsy"][QUOTE="bleehum"] No they don't, because it's downloading full fledged games, it's different. finesse-gamer

mostly the pricetag.

full psp games are what? 40 bucks when they come out? some are 30 as well. those are full games.

PSN games thatdebut at5-15 bucks are not.

Eh... I would agree with you. But it would just be really complicated to choose what counts as DL games, and what doesn't. The PC has tons of DL games, and most don't get reviewed here. Same with the XBLA, but to a lesser extent. And we'd have to agree that remakes or VC doesn't count, because they aren't exclusive, and..... It would just cause a lot of arguments. The Lems were never allowed Braid, Castle Crashers and Geometry Wars 2 to count last year, so why should these games count now anyway?comeonthehoops