Doom 4 Indefinitely Postponed Following RAGE Disappointing Launch (rumor?)

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#1 aroxx_ab
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http://kotaku.com/5851953/doom-4-indefinitely-postponed-following-rages-disappointing-launch

"A source claiming to be close to the publishers of the recently-launched RAGE has told Kotaku that, at a recent "company wide" meeting held in Dallas, Bethesda and parent company Zenimax made the decision to "indefinitely postpone" development of Doom 4."

Bad news i really looked forward to Doom4. Didn't Rage do ok on consoles at least? Looks like Id Software isn't what it once where, King of FPS games :?

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#2 TheShadowLord07
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its a rumor. could be true could be false. plus I really want to see kotaus "source"

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#3 GD1551
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IDs fanbase is on PC. Why they decided to focus on consoles is beyond me.

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http://kotaku.com/5851953/doom-4-indefinitely-postponed-following-rages-disappointing-launch

"A source claiming to be close to the publishers of the recently-launched RAGE has told Kotaku that, at a recent "company wide" meeting held in Dallas, Bethesda and parent company Zenimax made the decision to "indefinitely postpone" development of Doom 4."

Bad news i really looked forward to Doom4. Didn't Rage do ok on consoles at least? Looks like Id Software isn't what it once where, King of FPS games :?

aroxx_ab

Sell outs pay the price, same as Crytek.

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#5 ChubbyGuy40
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You should really put "rumor" in the title

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#6 deactivated-5ee322a396e26
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IDs fanbase is on PC. Why they decided to focus on consoles is beyond me.

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#7 aroxx_ab
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IDs fanbase is on PC. Why they decided to focus on consoles is beyond me.

GD1551

They did Doom 3 on consoles. Today consoles is to big market to ignore...

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#8 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

IDs fanbase is on PC. Why they decided to focus on consoles is beyond me.

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That doesn't seem to work though. I like it when a dev makes its name on PC, abandons the PC for consoles and the sales flop horribly, like Crytek.

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#9 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

IDs fanbase is on PC. Why they decided to focus on consoles is beyond me.

tenaka2

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That doesn't seem to work though. I like it when a dev makes its name on PC, abandons the PC for consoles and the sales flop horribly, like Crytek.

What game has Id/Crytek released on consoles that not PC got?

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#10 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]$$$$

aroxx_ab

That doesn't seem to work though. I like it when a dev makes its name on PC, abandons the PC for consoles and the sales flop horribly, like Crytek.

What game has Id/Crytek released on consoles that not PC got?

I am talking about the piss poor effort they made with crysis 2, which they themselves admited to.

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#11 Some-Mist
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nooo!!!! they should have just developed doom 4 before rage....introduce the id games style to newcomers before releasing a new ip.

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#12 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

IDs fanbase is on PC. Why they decided to focus on consoles is beyond me.

iwilson1296

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Obviously that didn't work out.

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#13 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

IDs fanbase is on PC. Why they decided to focus on consoles is beyond me.

aroxx_ab

They did Doom 3 on consoles. Today consoles is to big market to ignore...

Doom 3 was a PC title then ported to consoles. The focus was on the PC there. Rage was a console title that not only was ported to PC but had tons of issues at launch.

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#14 Kinthalis
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It's the console stupid striking another developer again.

These people SWEAR up and down that they will sell 10 million copies on console if they focus their development there. But there's only like 3 franchises that have pulled that off. Most games on console do not even break the 1 million mark.

So they abandoned the Pc, fully confident that they'll be the next modern warfre, only to end up with crappy sale son PC and crappy sales on consoles.

At least it's not affecting everyone. More and more developers are starting to realize that developing for the PC first, and then porting to consoles ends up getting good results on BOTH platforms, and will positively impact the bottom line.

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#15 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

IDs fanbase is on PC. Why they decided to focus on consoles is beyond me.

GD1551

They did Doom 3 on consoles. Today consoles is to big market to ignore...

Doom 3 was a PC title then ported to consoles. The focus was on the PC there. Rage was a console title that not only was ported to PC but had tons of issues at launch.

Wasn't Rage developed for like 7years? i think it was the "bad curse" all games get that get developed to long time :P

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#16 famunda666
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Just a rumor, interested to see how it pans out. On another note I thought RAGE was awesome...on the consoles anyway. Give it time, it will sell, it just came out not that long ago how could it be a dissapointment already? And more than just a "few" games sell more than a million on the consoles, do your reasearch. If not for consoles gaming would be dead. Consoles bring in the cash PERIOD.

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#17 deactivated-5ee322a396e26
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[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

IDs fanbase is on PC. Why they decided to focus on consoles is beyond me.

GD1551

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Obviously that didn't work out.

i know, i hope they learned from it

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Valve is the new king of FPS, but we should all respect iD for their improvements to graphics tech.
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#19 aroxx_ab
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Valve is the new king of FPS, but we should all respect iD for their improvements to graphics tech.donalbane

Yeah, Rage looks very impressive on consoles, have to give them that.

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[QUOTE="donalbane"]Valve is the new king of FPS, but we should all respect iD for their improvements to graphics tech.aroxx_ab

Yeah, Rage looks very impressive on consoles, have to give them that.

Except those horrible textures.
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[QUOTE="donalbane"]Valve is the new king of FPS, but we should all respect iD for their improvements to graphics tech.aroxx_ab

Yeah, Rage looks very impressive on consoles, have to give them that.

I think that iDs role is to design the tech for other companies to use to better effect.
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#22 GD1551
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Wasn't Rage developed for like 7years? i think it was the "bad curse" all games get that get developed to long time :P

aroxx_ab

I think it was 5 years. To be honest, they should have done Doom 4 first and then put out rage. That way newer people could be familiar with their name without banking on a new IP.

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[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

IDs fanbase is on PC. Why they decided to focus on consoles is beyond me.

tenaka2

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That doesn't seem to work though. I like it when a dev makes its name on PC, abandons the PC for consoles and the sales flop horribly, like Crytek.

I believe Crysis 2 sold around two million copies, doesn't sound like a flop to me.

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Sell outs pay the price, same as Crytek.

...

I like it when a dev makes its name on PC, abandons the PC for consoles and the sales flop horribly, like Crytek.

tenaka2

With fans like this, who needs enemies? Why would a developer court customers who seek for them to fail?

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#25 tomarlyn
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Valve is the new king of FPS, but we should all respect iD for their improvements to graphics tech.donalbane
Funny, the only thing that impressed me about HL2 was the tech. Gameplay was poor.
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#26 HaloinventedFPS
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good

hopefully it gets canned

it would have sucked, they would have tried to make it more like COD and it would have been a console port

http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/11921/carmack-doom-4-will-be-more-cinematic

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#27 donalbane
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[QUOTE="donalbane"]Valve is the new king of FPS, but we should all respect iD for their improvements to graphics tech.tomarlyn
Funny, the only thing that impressed me about HL2 was the tech. Gameplay was poor.

Well different strokes for different folks. But even if you didn't like the gameplay they went with, you gotta admit the game was polished. That's why I called them the new king... they put out innovative, highly scalable products that they continue to support as well as or better than any other developer. I mean, I'm not a big L4Dead fan, but there's no denying the impact those games have on the industry. Ditto for Portal.
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]$$$$

megadeth1117

That doesn't seem to work though. I like it when a dev makes its name on PC, abandons the PC for consoles and the sales flop horribly, like Crytek.

I believe Crysis 2 sold around two million copies, doesn't sound like a flop to me.

On 3 platforms.

Crysis 1 has sold 3 million copies and the standalone expansion 1.5.

Crysis 2 was a flop, I think they even admitted it.

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#29 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Sell outs pay the price, same as Crytek.

...

I like it when a dev makes its name on PC, abandons the PC for consoles and the sales flop horribly, like Crytek.

lowe0

With fans like this, who needs enemies? Why would a developer court customers who seek for them to fail?

Because PC gamers are fickle, if the makers of uncharted switched to XBox in the hope of sales would PS3 owners thank them for it?

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#30 Heil68
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Considering how bad Doom 3 was, that's ok with me. I'm enjoying Rage on the PC with no issues.
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#31 Firstinstimct
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Valve is the new king of FPS, but we should all respect iD for their improvements to graphics tech.donalbane
20 million cod fans say otherwise. Valve can never be called the king with their mediocre sales. Numbers talk.
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#32 The_Capitalist
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The game was a commercial flop on all platforms. I'm not surprised.

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[QUOTE="donalbane"]Valve is the new king of FPS, but we should all respect iD for their improvements to graphics tech.Firstinstimct
20 million cod fans say otherwise. Valve can never be called the king with their mediocre sales. Numbers talk.

Half Life 2 sold 12 million.
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#34 lowe0
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[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Sell outs pay the price, same as Crytek.

...

I like it when a dev makes its name on PC, abandons the PC for consoles and the sales flop horribly, like Crytek.

tenaka2

With fans like this, who needs enemies? Why would a developer court customers who seek for them to fail?

Because PC gamers are fickle, if the makers of uncharted switched to XBox in the hope of sales would PS3 owners thank them for it?

Where are the pitchforks and torches for Bungie, then? Are people boycotting Mass Effect 3 because it's on PS3? Did people boycott LA Noire because it went to 360?
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#35 GD1551
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Sell outs pay the price, same as Crytek.

...

I like it when a dev makes its name on PC, abandons the PC for consoles and the sales flop horribly, like Crytek.

lowe0

With fans like this, who needs enemies? Why would a developer court customers who seek for them to fail?

You act as though the fans struck the first blow in that statement......

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#36 GD1551
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Where are the pitchforks and torches for Bungie, then? Are people boycotting Mass Effect 3 because it's on PS3? Did people boycott LA Noire because it went to 360?lowe0

Not even remotely comparable, because the other platform did not get completely put as an after thought. Even if you want to go down this road, remember when FF13 went multiplat?...

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#37 donalbane
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[QUOTE="donalbane"]Valve is the new king of FPS, but we should all respect iD for their improvements to graphics tech.Firstinstimct
20 million cod fans say otherwise. Valve can never be called the king with their mediocre sales. Numbers talk.

Sales don't effect my enjoyment of a game, though... continuous, free support of a product released many years ago does. To clarify, I'm talking about the King of polish, not the king of sales. Now you might come back and argue that COD is more polished, but hey... differen't strokes. And since when were Valve's sales considered mediocre?
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[QUOTE="donalbane"]Valve is the new king of FPS, but we should all respect iD for their improvements to graphics tech.Firstinstimct
20 million cod fans say otherwise. Valve can never be called the king with their mediocre sales. Numbers talk.

What is this?

Left 4 Dead, Portal, Team Fortress, Half Life, and Counter Strike all sell very well.

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] With fans like this, who needs enemies? Why would a developer court customers who seek for them to fail?

lowe0

Because PC gamers are fickle, if the makers of uncharted switched to XBox in the hope of sales would PS3 owners thank them for it?

Where are the pitchforks and torches for Bungie, then? Are people boycotting Mass Effect 3 because it's on PS3? Did people boycott LA Noire because it went to 360?

Perhaps I am not explaining myself well,

Crytek went from being a cutting edge company that pushed the boundaries of gaming to a company that made generic shooters severly limited by console hardware.

They also made it very apparent that the PC version was an after thought.

They thought they would sell a lot more then they did. The fact that Crysis 1 has sold more then Crysis 2 is great news for PC gamers. When devs turn there backs on the fans that made them famous in the first place they do not deserve praise.

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#40 Inconsistancy
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DOOM 4 rumor, games are done when they are done and no title under development at id has been postponed – indefinitely or otherwise.DCDeacon Pete Hines-twitter
... id Twitter > Kotaku

-.- rumor is bs.

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#41 lowe0
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

You act as though the fans struck the first blow in that statement......

"struck the first blow"? There's a difference between a business decision and a personal attack. [QUOTE="GD1551"]

Not even remotely comparable, because the other platform did not get completely put as an after thought. Even if you want to go down this road, remember when FF13 went multiplat?...

If you're not happy with the attention put into the game, why not just, y'know, not buy it? Don't buy it, don't play it, and move on. No need to wish for the developer to fail.
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#42 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

You act as though the fans struck the first blow in that statement......

lowe0

"struck the first blow"? There's a difference between a business decision and a personal attack.

Not even remotely comparable, because the other platform did not get completely put as an after thought. Even if you want to go down this road, remember when FF13 went multiplat?...

GD1551

If you're not happy with the attention put into the game, why not just, y'know, not buy it? Don't buy it, don't play it, and move on. No need to wish for the developer to fail.

I bought 2 copies of Crysis and 1 of Warhead. But I wouldn't touch Crysis 2 with a barge pole. The developer failed because it abandoned its fanbase not because of anything I wish for.

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#43 Arach666
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Eh,I suppose that´s what happens id...don´t feel even a tiny bit sorry about you.

But I guess that maybe this isn´t true lol.

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#44 Inconsistancy
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I bought 2 copies of Crysis and 1 of Warhead. But I wouldn't touch Crysis 2 with a barge pole. The developer failed because it abandoned its fanbase not because of anything I wish for.

tenaka2

Who'd they abandon? The gunplay in Crysis was bad, the enemies were boring/had no synergy... overrated game, just pretty. Unless you like that it was a tech demo. Only thing bad about Crysis2 is they put all the flaws of Crysis into a smaller map and then put a terrible, pretentious story in.

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#45 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

You act as though the fans struck the first blow in that statement......

lowe0

"struck the first blow"? There's a difference between a business decision and a personal attack.

Not even remotely comparable, because the other platform did not get completely put as an after thought. Even if you want to go down this road, remember when FF13 went multiplat?...

GD1551

If you're not happy with the attention put into the game, why not just, y'know, not buy it? Don't buy it, don't play it, and move on. No need to wish for the developer to fail.

They didn't think about those business decisions when they were making money and their name off the PC. If it suddenly became a good business decision to make console games as side projects and focus on the PC versions then I don't think you would take that too kindly.

Why shouldn't they wish for the dev to fail anyway? Not that I am doing it but if you put someone on a pedestial and they turn around and spit in your face, why wouldn't you want them to fail?

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#46 demonic_85
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I hope it's true, they REALLY screwed up with RAGE. They need to assess their current development strategy and work out the bugs before they attempt to make another game.

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#47 Inconsistancy
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I hope it's true, they REALLY screwed up with RAGE. They need to assess their current development strategy and work out the bugs before they attempt to make another game.

demonic_85

[QUOTE="DCDeacon Pete Hines-twitter"]DOOM 4 rumor, games are done when they are done and no title under development at id has been postponed – indefinitely or otherwise.Inconsistancy

... id Twitter > Kotaku

-.- rumor is bs.

-.- Can someone read MY post? And Rage isn't buggy, it's AMD's drivers that suck.

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#48 lowe0
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They didn't think about those business decisions when they were making money and their name off the PC. If it suddenly became a good business decision to make console games as side projects and focus on the PC versions then I don't think you would take that too kindly.

Why shouldn't they wish for the dev to fail anyway? Not that I am doing it but if you put someone on a pedestial and they turn around and spit in your face, why wouldn't you want them to fail?

GD1551

Nobody spit in your face. They just made a game that doesn't leverage your platform of choice as much as you'd like.

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#49 GD1551
Member since 2011 • 9645 Posts

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They didn't think about those business decisions when they were making money and their name off the PC. If it suddenly became a good business decision to make console games as side projects and focus on the PC versions then I don't think you would take that too kindly.

Why shouldn't they wish for the dev to fail anyway? Not that I am doing it but if you put someone on a pedestial and they turn around and spit in your face, why wouldn't you want them to fail?

lowe0

Nobody spit in your face. They just made a game that doesn't leverage your platform of choice as much as you'd like.

Oh yes they did, because the game was unplayable at launch.

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#50 lowe0
Member since 2004 • 13692 Posts

The developer failed because it abandoned its fanbase not because of anything I wish for.

tenaka2

I like it when a dev makes its name on PC, abandons the PC for consoles and the sales flop horribly, like Crytek.

tenaka2
Let's just put these two statements side by side....