Don't Believe Forza 3 Bullshots, The Game Has Series Issues (56k warning)

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#1 DarthaPerkinjan
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To be fair and balanced yes it is true Gran Turismo has it's share of bull shots. However, Gran Turismo realtime gameplay always manages to look 85-90% as good as the photomode pics and the cars keep all their features and detail when you race them. Maybe the AA is turned down during gameplay but that's about it.

On the other hand Turn 10 is hustling Forza fans. Their bullshots look NOTHING like the real time gameplay. The cars lose parts, polygons, resolution and texture quality in real time gameplay. Whole features go missing, from parts on the cars to details in the track. The cars look maybe 40-50% as good in real time as they do in bull shots and photomode pics.

What happened was Turn 10 created car models somewhat near to that of GT5, stuck 8 of them on screen at 720p (compared to GT5's 16 @1080p ) and the 360 spased out and spit it out. So just like how you have to turn the graphics down on that high end game on your PC to get it to run properly Turn 10 has done the same with 360.

This is unfair to the consumer, because on PC you can get a better PC and match the great screenshots developers show, but there's NO WAY you get graphics of the quality in the bullshots of Forza 3 for the 360.

This is false advertising

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#2 Threebabycows
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Screen caps!?!?!?!?!? lol!.

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#3 x360owna
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And you took the crappiest screenshots possible. We may never know what it really looks like until release.
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#4 Hanass
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And we all know that those GT5 shots are in-game, right? You know, with 48X anti aliasing and 96X anisotropic filtering...

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#5 InsaneBasura
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lol, that ferrari is only doing 2mph at 6000rpm, how unrealistic.
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#6 Chutebox
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I don't care about photos, the video I saw of someone racing was freaking hot.

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#7 ForsakenWicked
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I've never played a Forza game and am not into racing games that much. Just my opinion on the subject: I don't think anyone will really stop to look at all the details when playing racing games.
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#8 Androvinus
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the gameplay i saw looked pretty good to me. but you're right about it not being close to the bullshots. but those screens are a lot worse than how it actually looks
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#9 ThatsSimtastic
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If you want people to believe you. Try not to make your screenshots the dodgiest pictures possible on forza 3, we know your a sony fanboy but come on seriously? You expect us to believe you with those screenshots? Ha!

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#10 DJ_Lae
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The last 'shot' is a screen capture from a movie taken from E3 - from a camera recording a TV. Of course it looks a bit weird. I have simliar doubts with the first two, which also look heavily compressed. And most race cars don't even have headlights or have their covers painted over, so a headlight complaint is meaningless.
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#11 DJ_Lae
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lol, that ferrari is only doing 2mph at 6000rpm, how unrealistic.InsaneBasura
Ferrari?
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#12 dotWithShoes
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good question is where did you get those 'screen caps'?
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#13 Androvinus
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[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]lol, that ferrari is only doing 2mph at 6000rpm, how unrealistic.DJ_Lae
Ferrari?

he probably means tha lambo
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#14 InsaneBasura
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look at that blury ass road texture, now when its gettin closer to release its swhoing its true colors becuz they know they cant lie any longer. the car is a preprogrammed illusion. that model is swapped in for photomode. the skybox doesnt have any clouds, ive never seen a cloudless sky in reality, so its faked.

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#15 Hanass
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look at that blury ass road texture, now when its gettin closer to release its swhoing its true colors becuz they know they cant lie any longer. the car is a preprogrammed illusion. that model is swapped in for photomode. the skybox doesnt have any clouds, ive never seen a cloudless sky in reality, so its faked.

InsaneBasura

If you think that the Xbox 360 or the PS3 is capable of producing such graphics, then you should really wake up, buddy.

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#17 InsaneBasura
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[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]lol, that ferrari is only doing 2mph at 6000rpm, how unrealistic.DJ_Lae
Ferrari?

I'm just spouting senseless nonsense. Deemed it would be an appropriate response. What else you gonna do in a thread like this?
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#18 Androvinus
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look at that blury ass road texture, now when its gettin closer to release its swhoing its true colors becuz they know they cant lie any longer. the car is a preprogrammed illusion. that model is swapped in for photomode. the skybox doesnt have any clouds, ive never seen a cloudless sky in reality, so its faked.

InsaneBasura

i have seen a cloudless sky. one smoldering hot day there were no clouds in the sky. but that screenshot is clearly fake

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[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

look at that blury ass road texture, now when its gettin closer to release its swhoing its true colors becuz they know they cant lie any longer. the car is a preprogrammed illusion. that model is swapped in for photomode. the skybox doesnt have any clouds, ive never seen a cloudless sky in reality, so its faked.

Hanass

If you think that the Xbox 360 or the PS3 is capable of producing such graphics, then you should really wake up, buddy.

hmm i have seen a cloudless sky before.
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#20 DarthaPerkinjan
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good question is where did you get those 'screen caps'?dotWithShoes

Doesn't matter where I got them from, it's obvious in bull shots and showroom pics the graphics are turned to "HIGH" but in realtime when it actually matters they are turned to "LOW"

This is unfair to the consumer because they will never be able to see the graphics Turn 10 is throwing everywhere in real time except for maybe photomode pics and showrooms.

The yellow lamborghini pic is real time.

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#21 videogamesetras
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that screenshot is stupid the background is blurred like the cars moving fast by why isnt the car a blur also? lol
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#22 ThatsSimtastic
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ive never seen a cloudless sky in reality, so its faked.InsaneBasura
Hell, I bet you haven't even gone outside! :p

Jokes don't suspend meee

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#23 Marka1700
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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"][QUOTE="Hanass"]

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

look at that blury ass road texture, now when its gettin closer to release its swhoing its true colors becuz they know they cant lie any longer. the car is a preprogrammed illusion. that model is swapped in for photomode. the skybox doesnt have any clouds, ive never seen a cloudless sky in reality, so its faked.

If you think that the Xbox 360 or the PS3 is capable of producing such graphics, then you should really wake up, buddy.

hmm i have seen a cloudless sky before.

*looks out window I can see one right now.
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#24 MizFitAwesome
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[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"][QUOTE="Hanass"]

If you think that the Xbox 360 or the PS3 is capable of producing such graphics, then you should really wake up, buddy.

Marka1700

hmm i have seen a cloudless sky before.

*looks out window I can see one right now.

Link or it didn't happen......:P

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#25 Brainkiller05
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About time consolites "stood up" against the bullshots they're constantly fed.
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#26 Threebabycows
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[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]look at that blury ass road texture, now when its gettin closer to release its swhoing its true colors becuz they know they cant lie any longer. the car is a preprogrammed illusion. that model is swapped in for photomode. the skybox doesnt have any clouds, ive never seen a cloudless sky in reality, so its faked.

Androvinus

i have seen a cloudless sky. one smoldering hot day there were no clouds in the sky. but that screenshot is clearly fake

First off all, the textures look weird because of motion blurr, and the shot isn't fakes only added AA/DOF, which is already 4X(AA) ingame.

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#27 kate_jones
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did you take a photo of a forza youtube running on a an ipod with a gameboy camera?

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#28 dotWithShoes
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[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]good question is where did you get those 'screen caps'?DarthaPerkinjan

Doesn't matter where I got them from, it's obvious in bull shots and showroom pics the graphics are turned to "HIGH" but in realtime when it actually matters they are turned to "LOW"

This is unfair to the consumer because they will never be able to see the graphics Turn 10 is throwing everywhere in real time except for maybe photomode pics and showrooms.

The yellow lamborghini pic is real time.

If it doesn't matter, why not post your source?
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#29 thelastguy
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Those shots you provided are horrible quality

Using screen caps from an off screen source? Fail

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#30 EndorphinMaster
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If you want people to believe you. Try not to make your screenshots the dodgiest pictures possible on forza 3, we know your a sony fanboy but come on seriously? You expect us to believe you with those screenshots? Ha!

ThatsSimtastic

Agreed, this thread is an instant-fail.

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#31 foxhound_fox
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Could you have found worse shots to make your point? Come back when you get direct feed, HD shots of gameplay that support your point.

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#32 Communistsheep
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Lulz.

Look at all those low res textures and blur. OH MY GAWD. See? Forza sucks and has crappy graphics! This screen is fact and i probably won't be saying how i got this. :P

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#33 Tobin09
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It's a little sad that someone would be skewed enough to do this. With offscreen shots. Lol.

The first picture is of the first split secound of a replay, when not everything has loaded yet.

I guess the TC doesn't understand what photomode is.

People like that are what make me lose faith in humanity.

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#34 gamecubepad
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People who can't recognize bullshots are funny. So how does it feel Neo? Seeing the world with your own eyes for the first time. jk.

Anyways, I've seen the gameplay videos, it looks sick. Of course it doesn't look like photomode, but that doesn't mean it looks like crap by any means.

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#35 eric813
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huh..i didnt know serious was spelt series. Of course the game doesnt look like the opening credits its not in game.

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#36 machod_19
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forza3>gt5videogamesetras

hahahahahaha please tell me your joking

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#37 bphan
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Nice try OP, but sorry. Fail.

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#38 Magik85
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Lost words...LoL @ TC Youll be so suprised when youll play FM3 on your own. I had pleasure to play it on Gamescom and boy youre wrong:) It loos pretty much like on photomode/replays/bullchots. It runs in 60 fps and what i did not expected - they did get rid of aliasing. Thereare hardly any noticable jaggies...i wouldnt believe that (after playing FM2) if i wouldnt see it myself. GT5 in the other hand looks nothing better than Prologue...actually the tracj presented on Gamescom looked worse than lets say London from prologue. Overall it looks great and has stunning cars but there were huge aliasing/flickering on those trees...hope they will fix it (or just get rid of those trees on that track xD) What made me happy is that Poliphony finally changed tyres sounds lol.
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#39 OmegaTau
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lol, at all the forza fanboys

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#40 CanYouDiglt
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Lulz.

Look at all those low res textures and blur. OH MY GAWD. See? Forza sucks and has crappy graphics! This screen is fact and i probably won't be saying how i got this. :P

(funny pic)

Communistsheep

This post was pretty funny and pretty true anout the TC

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#41 CanYouDiglt
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Forza and GT5 both look great only fanboys argue about the graphics of the two games. What people should argue about if they must is what do the games offer and gameplay. Some of the things like damage,customization,A.I. or other things that set them apart is what should be debated. As for myself Forza would offer me more.
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#42 santoron
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Well the great thing is that FM3 is gonna be here is out soon now, and if the dev and recent rumors are to be believed, we may see GT5 this year too. So speculation at this point is almost moot. The truth about both games is gonna be there for all to see before long.

I think FM3 is gonna look great.... way better than TC's shots show. I think GT5 is gonna look great too, and I'm gonna end up buying it day 1. The hype on both games in here is out of control. I'd be shocked if either game ships with the graphics SW is expecting at this point...

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#43 Reiji-Arisu
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Its too early to judge both. Just save you judgment for the final product.
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#44 II_Seraphim_II
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Wow TC...what's with the hating?
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#45 enygma500
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Forza and GT5 both look great only fanboys argue about the graphics of the two games. What people should argue about if they must is what do the games offer and gameplay. Some of the things like damage,customization,A.I. or other things that set them apart is what should be debated. As for myself Forza would offer me more.CanYouDiglt
The only thing you can't customize on the cars in GT is the looks. You can do whatever you want with the machnics of the car. you know the part that matters in a driving sim. This isn't NFS.

GT also has damages. But I think it's only on like 300 cars or something. Would be better if it had damages on all vehicles.

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#47 Blue-Sky
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You can't show the truth about a game's graphics with photos.

I was expecting a gameplay video or something, not screencaps. What a waste of time.

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#48 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Wow TC...what's with the hating?DarthaPerkinjan

lol, im saving this image :lol:

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#49 adamosmaki
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lol, that ferrari is only doing 2mph at 6000rpm, how unrealistic.InsaneBasura
no is doing 87 at 6000rpm on 2nd GEAR
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#50 killerfist
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That looks like something SDF would post.