Does teh Falcon Chip really help the RROD problem...

Im about to get a Falcon Chip Elite tomorrow and was wondering if the new chip really works. Does it really help RROD? I noticed that with the new chips, you go from 203 watts to 175 watts, which is a decrease of almost 30 watts which means it should run cooler. I have no idea when the new GPU chips or coming, so I wanted to get this. Does it really help?

Also make sure it's Manufactured on or after 8/24/07.

Im about to get a Falcon Chip Elite tomorrow and was wondering if the new chip really works. Does it really help RROD? I noticed that with the new chips, you go from 203 watts to 175 watts, which is a decrease of almost 30 watts which means it should run cooler. I have no idea when the new GPU chips or coming, so I wanted to get this. Does it really help?

black_awpN1

I doubt it will solve anything. 30 watts is alright, but if the system had a proper heat distribution system, then there wouldn't be any RROD's.

Why use a Falcon Chip when you can just Falcon-PAWNCH the system? It works every time!

:P

I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. black_awpN1

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

Why use a Falcon Chip when you can just Falcon-PAWNCH the system? It works every time!

:P

Shad0ki11

:lol:

Oh man, that was a good one.

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. -RPGamer-

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

Why are you lying to people like that?

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. Ilived

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

Why are you lying to people like that?

He's not lying. It's happened to me too. I had the RROD and my console was out in the open. It was in the best possible place to run and it still had the RROD. It's just bad heat distribution. If MS knew it would get pretty hot, then build a heat system that could handle that kind of heat. They failed, miserably.

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. dream431ca

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

Why are you lying to people like that?

He's not lying. It's happened to me too. I had the RROD and my console was out in the open. It was in the best possible place to run and it still had the RROD. It's just bad heat distribution. If MS knew it would get pretty hot, then build a heat system that could handle that kind of heat. They failed, miserably.

You meant "cooling system", right?

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. Shad0ki11

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

Why are you lying to people like that?

He's not lying. It's happened to me too. I had the RROD and my console was out in the open. It was in the best possible place to run and it still had the RROD. It's just bad heat distribution. If MS knew it would get pretty hot, then build a heat system that could handle that kind of heat. They failed, miserably.

You meant "cooling system", right?

Yeah, I meant a heat distribution system.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. Ilived

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

Why are you lying to people like that?

I do not thing that the Xbox360 technical issues are related to heat, a problem like that would be well know and not require a design of a new processor to fix. Also he is right, my 8800GT OC on stock cooling was at times running close to 90C and if I lowered the fan speed it would go even higher, giving it more ventalation would not help it.

[QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. Nikalai_88

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

Why are you lying to people like that?

I do not thing that the Xbox360 technical issues are related to heat, a problem like that would be well know and not require a design of a new processor to fix. Also he is right, my 8800GT OC on stock cooling was at times running close to 90C and if I lowered the fan speed it would go even higher, giving it more ventalation would not help it.

But a bigger and better heatsink would.

Solution: Get a Gaming PC and a PS3 :twisted:3verlastingHero

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Solution: Get a Gaming PC and a PS3 :twisted:CommanderTy

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. dream431ca

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

Why are you lying to people like that?

He's not lying. It's happened to me too. I had the RROD and my console was out in the open. It was in the best possible place to run and it still had the RROD. It's just bad heat distribution. If MS knew it would get pretty hot, then build a heat system that could handle that kind of heat. They failed, miserably.

You meant "cooling system", right?

Yeah, I meant a heat distribution system.

Meh, I was close enough. lol.

There is no fix to the RROD. You will not find a single reputable website saying it's fixed. Microsoft never claimed it was fixed. The only ones saying fixed are lemmings. The same lemmings who said fixed with elite, fixed with Halo, fixed with Falcon, etc.... Goto any user review site, goto amazon.com, plenty of people with falcon still getting the RROD.

The only thing Falcon did was lower Microsofts cost to produce the console.

Solution: Get a PS3 :twisted:3verlastingHero

[QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Solution: Get a PS3 :twisted:jdc6305

PS3 breaks too.. Everyone I know with a 60gb ps3 has had to have it replaced.

[QUOTE="jdc6305"][QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Solution: Get a PS3 :twisted:dotWithShoes

PS3 breaks too.. Everyone I know with a 60gb ps3 has had to have it replaced.

There are no widespread issues with PS3. I'm guessing you don't have any friends. The defect rate was estimated to be .02%

Solution: Get a PS3 :twisted:3verlastingHero

OH wait I already have a PS3. But I prefer my 360 by far.

I fi dont keep my 360 on for Hours on end and I keep it in a wideopen enviorment, should I probaly not experince the RROD.black_awpN1

Look at it like this if you want to take a chance get an X360, but do it knowing you are taking a huge chance. It's hard to feel sorry for anyone getting the RROD now knowing what we know. In a few months when your X360 dies nobody is going to feel sorry for you. Not even Xbox owners. Nothing is going to guarantee it keeps working. Sorry if that seems harsh. It's cool if you want one but know what you are getting into.

I do not thing that the Xbox360 technical issues are related to heat, a problem like that would be well know and not require a design of a new processor to fix. Also he is right, my 8800GT OC on stock cooling was at times running close to 90C and if I lowered the fan speed it would go even higher, giving it more ventalation would not help it.

Nikalai_88

I also am not sure about the heat issue. Mine rrod last saturday after having it turned on for 5 minutes. I've spend hours in a row playing it without a (serious) problem and this time it suddenly broke after only 5 minutes. Couldn't have built up much heat in 5 minutes could it?

This makes me think its a structural issue. It can happen to anyone, anytime. no matter how good you take care of it with giving it air and all.

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. -RPGamer-

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

I think you are trying to help the guy so he won't suffer the same experiences that you probably did with your now dead X-box (I assume it for your signature) but if he wants to get the 360 NOW let him be, the RROD doesn't happen to EVERY 360 owner, I have a falcon and so far so good.

If you want my opinion, get your 360 now and if possible do it in Best Buy so you can get their replacement plan, so if in case your 360 RROD on you, you just go to the store and get a brand new one, no waits and no reburbished units, who knows maybe if you ever get the problem by that time there will be the flawless 360. That's what I did, the PS3 is not a solution for me because it doesn't have the games that I want the 360 does and that alone it's worth the risk of the RROD.

I am sure this guy is only trying to help but just because he suffered some horrible experiences (I am guessing here) it doesn't mean it will happen to you too!

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. aemena

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

I think you are trying to help the guy so he won't suffer the same experiences that you probably did with your now dead X-box (I assume it for your signature) but if he wants to get the 360 NOW let him be, the RROD doesn't happen to EVERY 360 owner, I have a falcon and so far so good.

If you want my opinion, get your 360 now and if possible do it in Best Buy so you can get their replacement plan, so if in case your 360 RROD on you, you just go to the store and get a brand new one, no waits and no reburbished units, who knows maybe if you ever get the problem by that time there will be the flawless 360. That's what I did, the PS3 is not a solution for me because it doesn't have the games that I want the 360 does and that alone it's worth the risk of the RROD.

I am sure this guy is only trying to help but just because he suffered some horrible experiences (I am guessing here) it doesn't mean it will happen to you too!

I wouldn't shell out extra $$ for the replacement plan. I don't know what it costs but MS has its repairing centers back on track from what I hear. Atleast in europe you're supposed to get your box back in like 8 working days.

If the plan is cheap then sure but if you only miss your box for a week or 2 it might not be worh spending extra $$ on.

[QUOTE="aemena"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. elcoholic

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

I think you are trying to help the guy so he won't suffer the same experiences that you probably did with your now dead X-box (I assume it for your signature) but if he wants to get the 360 NOW let him be, the RROD doesn't happen to EVERY 360 owner, I have a falcon and so far so good.

If you want my opinion, get your 360 now and if possible do it in Best Buy so you can get their replacement plan, so if in case your 360 RROD on you, you just go to the store and get a brand new one, no waits and no reburbished units, who knows maybe if you ever get the problem by that time there will be the flawless 360. That's what I did, the PS3 is not a solution for me because it doesn't have the games that I want the 360 does and that alone it's worth the risk of the RROD.

I am sure this guy is only trying to help but just because he suffered some horrible experiences (I am guessing here) it doesn't mean it will happen to you too!

I wouldn't shell out extra $$ for the replacement plan. I don't know what it costs but MS has its repairing centers back on track from what I hear. Atleast in europe you're supposed to get your box back in like 8 working days.

If the plan is cheap then sure but if you only miss your box for a week or 2 it might not be worh spending extra $$ on.

Yeah I follow you, you have different options if your 360 gets the RROD, it's not the end of the world, MS will fix it for free and have it back in 8 business days, no worries, I just don't like waiting and if I can get a new machine in the deal, even better, but that's just my taste, alot people just keep the normal 3 year warranty from MS and it's all good, you will get your machine fix and will be able to play it in 8 days.

The replacement plan is $60 btw and it covers you for 2 years for any hardware issue, not only the RROD, so in my opinion it's not a bad deal!

[QUOTE="elcoholic"][QUOTE="aemena"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. aemena

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

I think you are trying to help the guy so he won't suffer the same experiences that you probably did with your now dead X-box (I assume it for your signature) but if he wants to get the 360 NOW let him be, the RROD doesn't happen to EVERY 360 owner, I have a falcon and so far so good.

If you want my opinion, get your 360 now and if possible do it in Best Buy so you can get their replacement plan, so if in case your 360 RROD on you, you just go to the store and get a brand new one, no waits and no reburbished units, who knows maybe if you ever get the problem by that time there will be the flawless 360. That's what I did, the PS3 is not a solution for me because it doesn't have the games that I want the 360 does and that alone it's worth the risk of the RROD.

I am sure this guy is only trying to help but just because he suffered some horrible experiences (I am guessing here) it doesn't mean it will happen to you too!

I wouldn't shell out extra $$ for the replacement plan. I don't know what it costs but MS has its repairing centers back on track from what I hear. Atleast in europe you're supposed to get your box back in like 8 working days.

If the plan is cheap then sure but if you only miss your box for a week or 2 it might not be worh spending extra $$ on.

Yeah I follow you, you have different options if your 360 gets the RROD, it's not the end of the world, MS will fix it for free and have it back in 8 business days, no worries, I just don't like waiting and if I can get a new machine in the deal, even better, but that's just my taste, alot people just keep the normal 3 year warranty from MS and it's all good, you will get your machine fix and will be able to play it in 8 days.

The replacement plan is $60 btw and it covers you for 2 years for any hardware issue, not only the RROD, so in my opinion it's not a bad deal!

Actually, im getting it from a Game shop called Game Carzy (extension of Hollywood video) because I have like 200 bucks in store credit. Im not sure if they have a warranty or replacement plan for 360s though.

Im about to get a Falcon Chip Elite tomorrow and was wondering if the new chip really works. Does it really help RROD? I noticed that with the new chips, you go from 203 watts to 175 watts, which is a decrease of almost 30 watts which means it should run cooler. I have no idea when the new GPU chips or coming, so I wanted to get this. Does it really help?

black_awpN1

NOt even MS has claimed that Falcom addresses the RROD. The RROD is widely believed to be caused by the 360's GPU overheating. The Falcon is a CPU and therefore has minimal, if any, impact on the GPUs heating problems. We know this is a fact since Falcon started being used early 2007 and RROD continues to be a major problem.

MS has stated that new, cooler GPU chipsets won't be implemented until August 2008 at the earliest.

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]

[QUOTE="jdc6305"][QUOTE="3verlastingHero"]Solution: Get a PS3 :twisted:EmperorSupreme

PS3 breaks too.. Everyone I know with a 60gb ps3 has had to have it replaced.

There are no widespread issues with PS3. I'm guessing you don't have any friends. The defect rate was estimated to be .02%

I thought it was 3% defect rate.. but among the 4-5 ppl I know who have a ps3, its a 100% defect rate.

I probaly wont be playing the 360 hours on end, so I may not get a OVerheating problem. black_awpN1

I turned mine one after a week and a few days of no use.. RROD instantly and i keep it clean, it has special backup fans and is in AC... so...

I don't think it matters if you get it from GameCrazy or GameStop, just aslong it's a new 360, you're covered. Just make sure it's Manufactured on or after 8/24/07. The newer the manufacture date, the better chances you'll have the falcon chips. There are Elites that were manufactured before that, and it suffered some problems.

Yes, it did help (it went from a 33% failure rate to a 16% one), but it didn't solve the problem. The problem is with the general design of the hardware, not the CPU itself, and the Falcon units only difference is the CPU and a new heatsink... to solve the problem they have to change a lot more things (mainly the GPU right now and the distribution of some components).SambaLele

Wow, still making up failure rate numbers.

Honostly, a day in System Wars without a made up RROD story thread is like a day with out sunshine...

Im about to get a Falcon Chip Elite tomorrow and was wondering if the new chip really works. Does it really help RROD? I noticed that with the new chips, you go from 203 watts to 175 watts, which is a decrease of almost 30 watts which means it should run cooler. I have no idea when the new GPU chips or coming, so I wanted to get this. Does it really help?

black_awpN1

Yeah just get it and if it breaks just fix it for free, no problemo

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]Yes, it did help (it went from a 33% failure rate to a 16% one), but it didn't solve the problem. The problem is with the general design of the hardware, not the CPU itself, and the Falcon units only difference is the CPU and a new heatsink... to solve the problem they have to change a lot more things (mainly the GPU right now and the distribution of some components).DXGreat1_HGL

Wow, still making up failure rate numbers.

Honostly, a day in System Wars without a made up RROD story thread is like a day with out sunshine...

Actually, he didn't make them up, he just misapplied them. The 33% figure is early store manager estimates, while the 16% is from a recent survey. However, neither make any correlation to the type of chip in the system as I recall.

Does Falcon help, probably a little as it does reduce overall heat. Is that little enough to matter, who knows, but even if it doesn't it is still a major issue.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. Ilived

I'll trying to give you a heads up. It doesn't matter. You can keep it in a cool, open air environment (even circulate the air) and elevate the thing to increase it's surface area and it will not garuntee your machine will last. You're giving way to much credit to a cooler running CPU.

One of my co-workers probably put it best, "would you put your hand on a stove if it was in a cool room with a fan blowing on it?"

Hell, I can only give you a warning so many times. Feel free to not heed them and assume the falcon chipset is more than it actually is...

Why are you lying to people like that?

He's not lying. My nephew bought his 360 in June 2007 and placed it in a centralized AC room, very well ventilated for a NEW 4 bedroom house. It's very cool during the summer at my brother's house. Come January of this year, my nephew got the dreaded RROD. The room is well ventilated with central heat, but NEVER gets too hot during the dead cold winter.

My nephew is a big Halo 3 fan (me as well) and he plays the 360 about 2-7 hours a week. Not that much playing time since he's in the after school sports program. But getting a RROD on a rarely played 360 is very disturbing.

I honestly wanted a HDMI port to. I keep my 360 in a very open Area. (on top of a Shelless desk.) so I dont think ill have a porblem If I get the 175W one. black_awpN1

you know what, its a crap shoot either way. I personally dont beleive in living my life afraid things will break, hency why i build and blow up just about anything i can get my hands on. To illistrate my point:

Manufacture date:9/3/2006, never had a problem with it, Never RROD, never scratched a disk or any of the other bullhonky people want you to beleive are 100% certanty.and its by far my most played system. By the way ,it even survived me moving to japan in my luggage.