Deus Ex: HR To support FXAA - on PC at least.

Looks like the DX11 renderer for Deus Ex: Human Revolution will support a native implementation of FXAA.

Is this the first title that natively implements FXAA?

You can force FXAA on the PC thanks to DX injection mods which is cool, but obviously a native implementaiton should look even better.

Anyone know if it made it to consoles too?

I kind of feel bad for consolites having to suffer jaggie attacks in their games, and FXAA can be the solution they've been hoping for.

Looks like the DX11 renderer for Deus Ex: Human Revolution will support a native implementation of FXAA.

Is this the first title that natively implements FXAA?

You can force FXAA on the PC thanks to DX injection mods which is cool, but obviously a native implementaiton should look even better.

Anyone know if it made it to consoles too?

I kind of feel bad for consolites having to suffer jaggie attacks in their games, and FXAA can be the solution they've been hoping for.

Kinthalis

Will there ever be a comparison of the PC settings?

FXAA is garbage

just let me use normal AA

Nice all games on the PC should have an option for FXAA or MLAA.

whats the difference between FXAA/MLAA etc. compared to normal AA?GenTom

whats the difference between FXAA/MLAA etc. compared to normal AA?GenTom

[QUOTE="GenTom"]whats the difference between FXAA/MLAA etc. compared to normal AA?dommeus

Exactly. They should both be much less demanding. I'm currently using an FXAA mod on some games and I'm pleasantly surprised. The AMD MLAA didn't work that good for me.

The PC version of Duke Nukem Forever was, AFAIK, the first game to natively support FXAA. :)

I haven't tried it myself, but the PC version of F.E.A.R. 3 supposedly features built-in FXAA as well.

Console versions are using FXAA too. Check Lens of Truth

Traditional AA come sin two flavors:

Super-Sampling renders severla times the number of picels on your screen in roder to create pretty much a completley jaggie free frame. IT eats up video RAM and processing like there's no tomorrow, which is why no one uses it, except on older titles.

Multi-Sampling takes shortcuts, which means it doesn't do as good a job as SSAA, but it eats up less performance and vidoe buffer. The hit on both, however is still significant, specially at 4x and higher quality settings.

FXAA and MLAA are post-processing effects. They bypass traditional AA techniques entirely, and instead employ an edge detecting algorythim that happens AFTER the frame is rendered. Once the edges are detected, it blends pixels, smoothign out jaggies. It's not as good as high quality MSAA, and definitley not as good as SSAA, at least for now, but it's better than no AA or even low quality traditional AA.

Most importanly, it is essentially free on the PC, and only slightly taxign for consoles to do. MUCH cheaper than using MSAA or SSAA.

At this point in time, if your PC hardware can run MSAA without any issues for particular game, I'd definitely stick to that. IT has access to a lot more subpixel information, it will definitely look better.

But if not, fXAA is a great solution, and will probably allow you increae graphics settings and/or resolution over what you could do with MSAA.

Console versions are using FXAA too. Check Lens of Truth

CorbraMax

Is it confirmed by the devs? Because lens of truth uses tiny screens that have obviously been resampeld from larger 720p shots. Which is incedibly misleading. That's like applying super sampling AA while reducing overlal detail - or in other words, it completley hides jaggies that might exist in the actual game screen.

Traditional AA come sin two flavors:

Super-Sampling renders severla times the number of picels on your screen in roder to create pretty much a completley jaggie free frame. IT eats up video RAM and processing like there's no tomorrow, which is why no one uses it, except on older titles.

Multi-Sampling takes shortcuts, which means it doesn't do as good a job as SSAA, but it eats up less performance and vidoe buffer. The hit on both, however is still significant, specially at 4x and higher quality settings.

FXAA and MLAA are post-processing effects. They bypass traditional AA techniques entirely, and instead employ an edge detecting algorythim that happens AFTER the frame is rendered. Once the edges are detected, it blends pixels, smoothign out jaggies. It's not as good as high quality MSAA, and definitley not as good as SSAA, at least for now, but it's better than no AA or even low quality traditional AA.

Most importanly, it is essentially free on the PC, and only slightly taxign for consoles to do. MUCH cheaper than using MSAA or SSAA.

At this point in time, if your PC hardware can run MSAA without any issues for particular game, I'd definitely stick to that. IT has access to a lot more subpixel information, it will definitely look better.

But if not, fXAA is a great solution, and will probably allow you increae graphics settings and/or resolution over what you could do with MSAA.

Kinthalis

[QUOTE="GenTom"]whats the difference between FXAA/MLAA etc. compared to normal AA?GhoX

FXAA/MLAA due to their nature of being post process can cause blurring to textures and image quality, and suffer from lack of sub pixel information.

[QUOTE="CorbraMax"]

Console versions are using FXAA too. Check Lens of Truth

Kinthalis

Is it confirmed by the devs? Because lens of truth uses tiny screens that have obviously been resampeld from larger 720p shots. Which is incedibly misleading. That's like applying super sampling AA while reducing overlal detail - or in other words, it completley hides jaggies that might exist in the actual game screen.

Nice all games on the PC should have an option for FXAA or MLAA.

GTSaiyanjin2

you can use FXAA on every game you want, the same is for MLAA but only on ATI.

and the performance cost is literally nothing (for the FXAA at least)

If they run a DX11 renderer, you can have stuff like FXAA and FLAA no problem.

It's time we move away from MSAA, it's an outdated method that takes to much processing power for to little of a reward.

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

Nice all games on the PC should have an option for FXAA or MLAA.

MK-Professor

you can use FXAA on every game you want, the same is for MLAA but only on ATI.

and the performance cost is literally nothing (for the FXAA at least)

If they run a DX11 renderer, you can have stuff like FXAA and FLAA no problem.

It's time we move away from MSAA, it's an outdated method that takes to much processing power for to little of a reward.

Wasdie

I don't think FXAA/MLAA are going to replace MSAA. Other types of AA which have access to sub-pixel info but are less expensive than traditional AA, will probably come to be used over these post-process only solutions.

I forget the name, but one such type of AA is where FXAA came from.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

Nice all games on the PC should have an option for FXAA or MLAA.

dommeus

you can use FXAA on every game you want, the same is for MLAA but only on ATI.

and the performance cost is literally nothing (for the FXAA at least)

yes for the MLAA.

and he FXAA you can use it in both nvidia and ati very simple, by throwing some DX and fx files in to the game director.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

Nice all games on the PC should have an option for FXAA or MLAA.

dommeus

you can use FXAA on every game you want, the same is for MLAA but only on ATI.

and the performance cost is literally nothing (for the FXAA at least)

For MLAA yes.

FXAA on PC, right now at least (should change soonish) requires a mod. You just drop 2 files where the executable resides and you're set in most games (there are a few games where it just won't work).

Here is my thread on FXAA over in the PC game forum, details are inside:http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28797896/fxaa-beta-for-most-dx9dx10dx11-games-available-for-download-updated

Thanks for the help guys. Much appreciated.

EDIT - by the way, which would you recommend? If they are very similar than I might as well stick to MLAA since I can enable that in the CCC. However is FXAA is better then I will of course get that.

I kind of feel bad for consolites having to suffer jaggie attacks in their games, and FXAA can be the solution they've been hoping for.

Kinthalis

I am perfectly okay with the way the graphics are now because I'm not a graphics whore.

Thanks for the help guys. Much appreciated.

EDIT - by the way, which would you recommend? If they are very similar than I might as well stick to MLAA since I can enable that in the CCC. However is FXAA is better then I will of course get that.

dommeus

I would say that you should at least try the FXAA mod. You can even disable it with a shortcut ingame.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

I kind of feel bad for consolites having to suffer jaggie attacks in their games, and FXAA can be the solution they've been hoping for.

turtlethetaffer

I am perfectly okay with the way the graphics are now because I'm not a graphics whore.

OK... enjoy the jaggies then, I guess.

Really, this type of mentality is just backwards. The option for FXAA on consoles is available and this person would rather HAVE jaggies than not, why? Probably because he perceives anything a PC can do and his platform of choice can't as a personal attack or something and he misundertood or didn't even bother reading the TC.

Thanks for the help guys. Much appreciated.

EDIT - by the way, which would you recommend? If they are very similar than I might as well stick to MLAA since I can enable that in the CCC. However is FXAA is better then I will of course get that.

dommeus

FXAA currently being done in the mod is better than MLAA on the CC. For one, it blurs the overall image a lot less, which is the main problem of these post-processing effects. They tend to blur a little too much, ro they tend to miss a jagged line here or there.