Could the ps5 play games off the disc again no more installs?

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#1 ProtossRushX
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I like to pop in a disc and start playing anyone else miss that? let nintendo and Microsoft install crap sony should go back to playing off the disc and consumers can choose. Maybe just use the ssd for the os.

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@ProtossRushX: I read that all first party games for the PS5 will be playable with a dvd remote.

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Isn't straight from the disk slower than even mechanical HDD?

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#5 Juub1990
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@ProtossRushX: A disc is a lot slower than a drive so no.

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#6  Edited By Howmakewood
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Not happening

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That's a new low for OP

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#8 sealionact
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Wait......are you serious?

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#9 AJStyles
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@ssouncyk: Nintendo games have no textures, lame cartoony graphics and are just modified N64 games for the most part.

The only reason Nintendo games barely have load times is because their games are of low quality.

And let’s not pretend all of Nintendo’s games never had them. I vividly remember Metroid Prime taking 15 seconds to load every area in that damn game. Click the button to open a door and you stand there waiting forever despite just coming from that area a minute ago because of all the backtracking.

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@ajstyles: ?

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#11  Edited By osan0
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the only way i could see it ever possibly happening is with a highly customised optical drive specifically built to be able to read data at a very high rate AND be able to find it on the disc very very quickly.

I can only really speculate on such a drive (and i dont know if its technically feasible) but it would need to take gamecube size discs for a start (physically: maybe have multiple layers to get the capacity as close to 100GB as possible). this reduced the surface area which makes life easier for the read heads.

and i mean read heads: if the drive had multiple read heads (3-4) it would, maybe, be able to further reduce the seek times while increasing the read speed times.

tools would also need to be developed to optimise the layout of data on the disc so that, especially for bigger files (textures for example) all 4 heads can be lined up on different areas of the disc to maximise the read rate (4 heads reading 4 different areas of the disc at the same time.

the disc would also need to spin as quickly as possible of course. whats the max speed of a blu-ray drive these days? 8X?

anyway something like that, maybe, is the only way modern games would be able to run off a disc with no installs. well technically they could use a standard drive but the loading times would be absolutely horrendous.

edit: just to add: this would not be nearly as good as an SSD. at best it may just be able to scrape by good enough. it still wouldnt be hitting the improvements Cerny mentioned with the PS5 storage setup with spiderman for example.

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#12 DaVillain-  Moderator
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@ProtossRushX said:

I like to pop in a disc and start playing anyone else miss that?

I went all digital this gen and I don't regret it either! So no, I don't miss popping a disc inside, digital downloads is the future of Sony with PS5.

Evolve today :P

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I guess PS5 and Xbox Scarlett requires games to be installed onto the hard drive before playing.

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#14  Edited By DaVillain-  Moderator
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@mclarenmaster18 said:

I guess PS5 and Xbox Scarlett requires games to be installed onto the hard drive before playing.

Pretty much this. PS5/Xbox Scarlet will need disc in order to be installed, but knowing both Sony/MS, they'll try pushing digital even more so but that's fine by me.

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#15  Edited By Kali-B1rd
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Isn't worth setting aside some time in your life, to understand the basics of computers in your hobby?

So you can work out what the pros and cons of this request are?

and then come to the natural conclusion that that little convenience you gain is completely overshadowed by the downsides.

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Doubt it. It definitely will have a day one patch.

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#17 Rockman999
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That would completely kill the "no load times" point of the PS5. Not to mention it will greatly shorten the lifetime of the drive itself if its constantly spinning.

Personally, I know for a fact the drive on my PS5 will be completely unused the entire gen. What would be the point of buying physical when I can currently download 100GB games in less than 40 minutes? ??‍♂️

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#18  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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Things are going the other direction. It's increasingly rare to use the disc for anything other than a DRM check and initial install. And it makes sense. Disc drives don't last long, and as games get bigger and bigger it makes less and lead sense to try to "stream" data from the disc.

It'll be ok - we've had to install games on PC since the late 80s and you get used to it. On the other hand, playing games from a ps1 disc was like pulling teeth

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Nah, I'm fine with the way things are now.

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#20 Ant_17
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That's going backwards in tech dude.

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There's zero chance that'll ever happen. Hard drives are significantly faster at reading data than any disc drive.

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#22 Archangel3371  Online
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Why would you want to? As has already been said reading from an HDD is significantly faster. I prefer installing games from the optical disc myself so no I don’t miss those days of just popping in the disc and playing right away. The benefits outweigh the negatives.

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#23 appariti0n
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Let's go back to disk swapping while we're at it.

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#24 Martin_G_N
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Well, the fastest bd drives are at 25MB to 52MB read speeds, with the fastest speed being using single layer discs. And the speeds are inconsistent. They could get close to a standard 5200rpm HDD at the peak speeds, but far from a better HDD or a SSD. And games are pushing 100GB easily now, so installing on a SSD will be important.

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#25 adsparky
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It would be awesome, but is nearly impossible.

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#26 Zero_epyon
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@ProtossRushX said:

I like to pop in a disc and start playing anyone else miss that? let nintendo and Microsoft install crap sony should go back to playing off the disc and consumers can choose. Maybe just use the ssd for the os.

That's never coming back. File sizes are just too massive and disc read speeds are just too slow. Installation is the way to go until we're all digital or a new medium appears that addresses the problem of slow read speeds.

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#27 X_CAPCOM_X
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No. It will use installs.

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#28  Edited By lamprey263
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If you don't want to disc swap then just buy digital, it's been an option for consoles for last decade.

Also, all games have patches so still going to need to update game, so no pop in and play.

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@Rockman999 said:

That would completely kill the "no load times" point of the PS5. Not to mention it will greatly shorten the lifetime of the drive itself if its constantly spinning.

Personally, I know for a fact the drive on my PS5 will be completely unused the entire gen. What would be the point of buying physical when I can currently download 100GB games in less than 40 minutes? ??‍♂️

The disadvantage comes in the form that you don't own digital games,you are license to them and if a company decide to drop a game next gen and not carry it anymore and your system is damage you loss the game for ever.

Contrary to physical games which you own the copy and is yours,and if your system break and the game is discontinued you just get another system.

You can still purchase an original Atari or Nes online and play games if you owned them,lets see how that fares out 20 years from now,and see how many of those digital games still are offer to be downloaded.

But i do agree that playing games from an optical drive can't be done this days or next gen specially with how big games have become and how much data need to be load faster.

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#30 dimebag667
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I'm sure it would be cost prohibitive, but what if they used carts with flash/SSD inside? Just talking out of my ass, but does that make sense?

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#31  Edited By Zaryia
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Nope, you're going to have to deal with PS just being a shitty PC.

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#32 Vaidream45
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I miss those days too but the opposite is happening with ps5. They are bragging about the speed of the new ssd hd in ps5 saying that the game loading is coming from the hd so I doubt the disc will have much more than some install files and copy protection stuff on it. Gotta go back to ps2, dreamcast, and gamecube for that kind of gaming. I miss it dearly. No online patches. Complete games. Carry your games with you to a friends house etc. Now the Switch comes closest but still doesn’t count because most games need to download extra data on the hd as well.

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#33 HalcyonScarlet
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Sony wants to eliminate loading times and you want them to go back to disc play?

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#34 Sevenizz
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The intelligence of the average playstation fan here seems to be, well, simpler than most.

Anyone else notice this?

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@Sevenizz: yes

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#36 R4gn4r0k
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Loading from a disc is just way too slow.

I don't mind the install times, because having to suffer from insanely long loading times is worse.

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@tormentos said:
@Rockman999 said:

That would completely kill the "no load times" point of the PS5. Not to mention it will greatly shorten the lifetime of the drive itself if its constantly spinning.

Personally, I know for a fact the drive on my PS5 will be completely unused the entire gen. What would be the point of buying physical when I can currently download 100GB games in less than 40 minutes? ??‍♂️

The disadvantage comes in the form that you don't own digital games,you are license to them and if a company decide to drop a game next gen and not carry it anymore and your system is damage you loss the game for ever.

Contrary to physical games which you own the copy and is yours,and if your system break and the game is discontinued you just get another system.

You can still purchase an original Atari or Nes online and play games if you owned them,lets see how that fares out 20 years from now,and see how many of those digital games still are offer to be downloaded.

But i do agree that playing games from an optical drive can't be done this days or next gen specially with how big games have become and how much data need to be load faster.

Judging by the fact that there are readily available copies of games for every system dating back to the 2600 and those game ONLY came in a physical format originally, I would say the chances are VERY high that copies of games that are already digital will exist 20 years from now.

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#38 SecretPolice
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Okay, I won't have the classroom throw their backpacks at you this time but still...

lol :P

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Nope. Discs are way too slow. Not to mention loud, annoying, fragile, etc...

So glad I don't have to deal with those things anymore.

...And don't come at me with those flawed ownership arguments. We all know game ownership died along with console gen 6.

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#40  Edited By tormentos
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@Steppy_76 said:

Judging by the fact that there are readily available copies of games for every system dating back to the 2600 and those game ONLY came in a physical format originally, I would say the chances are VERY high that copies of games that are already digital will exist 20 years from now.

playing a blow up atari game in a HD screen is not even close to the same experience.And not there is no copies of every system unless you are talking a bout emulation which is totally illegal if you don't own said games.

Fact is you dont own digital games and for consoles you can't sell them either.

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#42 floppydics
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Those days are long gone for no installs. But hey we have a nice fast SSD on the way so why would you want to anyway. I'll always want physical media as an option mind you.

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#43 Steppy_76
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@tormentos said:
@Steppy_76 said:

Judging by the fact that there are readily available copies of games for every system dating back to the 2600 and those game ONLY came in a physical format originally, I would say the chances are VERY high that copies of games that are already digital will exist 20 years from now.

playing a blow up atari game in a HD screen is not even close to the same experience.And not there is no copies of every system unless you are talking a bout emulation which is totally illegal if you don't own said games.

Fact is you dont own digital games and for consoles you can't sell them either.

I don't own any CRT Tv's so even if I knew where my 2600 and games were, it's being done on my big ass TV, physical or digital doesn't matter in that regard. I'm saying there are copies of games available that were released on proprietary formats that were never meant to be copied, and you think digital copies will not exist of digitally released games? You need original hardware to play the physical copy, and your license of the digital copy has no time limit either so if you purchased the game in the past you would legally be able to obtain and use a digital copy regardless of where it comes from. You don't own your physical copy either, you own a license and that's it...if you owned it you could make and sell copies of your disc since you "own" it...try it and let me know how that works out for you.

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#44  Edited By KBFloYd
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@goldenelementxl said:

?

switch still plays game off the cart for many games. the last old school console so far.