Console Gamings is too expensive compared to Pc's

it may sound like a paradox, but when you think about it, thanks to their overpriced old hardware - games - accessories - live fees ( in the case of the xbox 360 ) , you actually see that Pc gaming just has so much value for money.

a decent rig outclasses consoles in pretty much all the aspects:

- better graphics

- better perfomance

- massive lineup of exclusives ( more exclusives than all the 3 consoles put together )

- STEAM

- free online

- MODS

- FREE DLC'S in many games

- possibility to choose kb+mouse or controllers

- freedom of choice

- upgradable hardware

- Indie Games

- emulation

- it is actually the ONLY system that does everything

I gotta give it to consoles when it comes to big franchises such as Uncharted, Halo, Gears, Gran Turismo, Ico, Super Mario, Metroid, Zelda etc, but other than those rare gems, I believe that nowadays it makes less sense to own one or more consoles than it did back in the days when the systems offered a big amount of unique exclusives and that were ACTUALLY a valid alternative to Pc gaming.

thoughts?

Those games you listed aren't rare gems, they are regular occurrences. mystervj

I'm not sure how to describe it, but I agree. I own an XBox 360 and that was cheap enough, but the games just cost way too much compared to superior PC titles in which you get all the obvious advantages and free content (you know, mods) as well. When you own a decent PC and internet connection I really can't think of any reason buying a game on a console platform that's also available on PC unless it's cheap and you're wondering about all the various differences between the different versions.

If you buy a PS3 now, the only accessories you have to buy are a second controller and a mic, thats it. Ps3's bundles come with HDMI alreadyJ-WOW

The content of your post doesn't prove the statement in your title. All you showed is that you think PCs are superior, but you didn't prove that consoles are more expensive as the title suggests.

If you buy a PS3 now, the only accessories you have to buy are a second controller and a mic, thats it. Ps3's bundles come with HDMI alreadyJ-WOW

So, this is Xbox 360 vs. PC?

Here's what came to my mind:
Yes, you don't need to pay to play online on PC. Yes, you have mods and stuff like that. Yes, you can choose to play with keyboard and mouse or controller.

But, let's say: you don't play online with your console, only singleplayer (so, no money for Live, or if you have PS3, you can play online for free too)
You buy the console once, ($300), you buy the PC once ($1500-$2000).

You play with the same console for 4 years and you haven't upgraded it once (because you can't, except, maybe a new controller...) and the games work now as good as they did 4 years ago and they even look better.
Try to do the same with 4 year old PC...
Not a change. PC just can't handle the maximum graphics of the newest games, that you can get today. If you want to play with maximum graphics (as you said, PC has better graphics, I assume that you want to maximize your graphics on PC?), you need to upgrade your PC, and this costs you about the price of a new console.

[QUOTE="J-WOW"]If you buy a PS3 now, the only accessories you have to buy are a second controller and a mic, thats it. Ps3's bundles come with HDMI alreadyGhoX

i have my gaming pc hooked up to my 63" tv... they're both expensive hobbies but console gaming is much cheaper to get started. a decent gaming pc to build is $600-$800 (not including monior) a ps3/xbox/wii is roughly $300. btw, i have both my ps3 and my pc hooked up to a 5.1 definitive surround sound and my big screen, so those are both extraneous as far as what is required.

I'm personally trying to decide if I want to switch over and make my first gaming pc but I've always found better controls and everything to simply work on consoles. I'm probably staying with my PS3 though, it's just easier for me.

So, this is Xbox 360 vs. PC?

Here's what came to my mind:
Yes, you don't need to pay to play online on PC. Yes, you have mods and stuff like that. Yes, you can choose to play with keyboard and mouse or controller.

But, let's say: you don't play online with your console, only singleplayer (so, no money for Live, or if you have PS3, you can play online for free too)
You buy the console once, ($300), you buy the PC once ($1500-$2000).

You play with the same console for 4 years and you haven't upgraded it once (because you can't, except, maybe a new controller...) and the games work now as good as they did 4 years ago and they even look better.
Try to do the same with 4 year old PC...
Not a change. PC just can't handle the maximum graphics of the newest games, that you can get today. If you want to play with maximum graphics (as you said, PC has better graphics, I assume that you want to maximize your graphics on PC?), you need to upgrade your PC, and this costs you about the price of a new console.

ScrapersPTs

no one really needs to maximize the graphics? medium settings on nowadays Pc's easily outperform what you get on any consoles.

The content of your post doesn't prove the statement in your title. All you showed is that you think PCs are superior, but you didn't prove that consoles are more expensive as the title suggests.

LovePotionNo9

how does it not prove my statement?

Yeah, but I want to play the Console games.

PC's are expensive up front. Further down the line depends on the end-user and what they buy (be it in sales or otherwise). They do offer more advantages though.

So, this is Xbox 360 vs. PC?

Here's what came to my mind:
Yes, you don't need to pay to play online on PC. Yes, you have mods and stuff like that. Yes, you can choose to play with keyboard and mouse or controller.

But, let's say: you don't play online with your console, only singleplayer (so, no money for Live, or if you have PS3, you can play online for free too)
You buy the console once, ($300), you buy the PC once ($1500-$2000).

You play with the same console for 4 years and you haven't upgraded it once (because you can't, except, maybe a new controller...) and the games work now as good as they did 4 years ago and they even look better.
Try to do the same with 4 year old PC...
Not a change. PC just can't handle the maximum graphics of the newest games, that you can get today. If you want to play with maximum graphics (as you said, PC has better graphics, I assume that you want to maximize your graphics on PC?), you need to upgrade your PC, and this costs you about the price of a new console.

ScrapersPTs

Most people don't do that, since we prefer to game at higher than console graphical quality, be they multiplats or PC exclusives, higher than 720p resolution, and certainly not something as low as 30fps. Finally, the rationality behind this can be as simple as "Ferrari vs cheap Japanese car".

So, this is Xbox 360 vs. PC?

Here's what came to my mind:
Yes, you don't need to pay to play online on PC. Yes, you have mods and stuff like that. Yes, you can choose to play with keyboard and mouse or controller.

But, let's say: you don't play online with your console, only singleplayer (so, no money for Live, or if you have PS3, you can play online for free too)
You buy the console once, ($300), you buy the PC once ($1500-$2000).

You play with the same console for 4 years and you haven't upgraded it once (because you can't, except, maybe a new controller...) and the games work now as good as they did 4 years ago and they even look better.
Try to do the same with 4 year old PC...
Not a change. PC just can't handle the maximum graphics of the newest games, that you can get today. If you want to play with maximum graphics (as you said, PC has better graphics, I assume that you want to maximize your graphics on PC?), you need to upgrade your PC, and this costs you about the price of a new console.

ScrapersPTs

Not necessarily $1500-2000. You can build for much cheaper (if you are on a tight budget).

PC's are also lasting longer dueto the high cost to produce higher-end games. The hardware advancement has far surpassed the software advancement. However, i'm not saying it'll last 4+ years, though many people are still running GPU's such as an 8800GT happily.

[QUOTE="GhoX"][QUOTE="J-WOW"]If you buy a PS3 now, the only accessories you have to buy are a second controller and a mic, thats it. Ps3's bundles come with HDMI alreadyz4twenny

i have my gaming pc hooked up to my 63" tv... they're both expensive hobbies but console gaming is much cheaper to get started. a decent gaming pc to build is $600-$800 (not including monior) a ps3/xbox/wii is roughly $300. btw, i have both my ps3 and my pc hooked up to a 5.1 definitive surround sound and my big screen, so those are both extraneous as far as what is required.

Your examples are not very comparable however.

A 600-800 dollars PC would be able to play console multiplats at above-console quality. A fair comparison would be, as suggested in my original post, getting a 400 dollars PC, which is just as capable at playing console multiplats at console quality or above.

So, this is Xbox 360 vs. PC?

Here's what came to my mind:
Yes, you don't need to pay to play online on PC. Yes, you have mods and stuff like that. Yes, you can choose to play with keyboard and mouse or controller.

But, let's say: you don't play online with your console, only singleplayer (so, no money for Live, or if you have PS3, you can play online for free too)
You buy the console once, ($300), you buy the PC once ($1500-$2000).

You play with the same console for 4 years and you haven't upgraded it once (because you can't, except, maybe a new controller...) and the games work now as good as they did 4 years ago and they even look better.
Try to do the same with 4 year old PC...
Not a change. PC just can't handle the maximum graphics of the newest games, that you can get today. If you want to play with maximum graphics (as you said, PC has better graphics, I assume that you want to maximize your graphics on PC?), you need to upgrade your PC, and this costs you about the price of a new console.

ScrapersPTs

Here's where you went wrong.

A new vid card is only 150 bucks for a nice one that could max almost every game.

1500 dollars for a new PC? Are you kidding me? I built a PC that could max almost every game for a friend for 600 bucks.

I built a PC that could max almost every game for a friend for 600 bucks.

DragonfireXZ95

And what are the specs if I may ask? ...and what are the "every" game you are talking about?

Since ATI Radeon HD 5970 2Gb costs itself a over $700... and ain't that the "best" on todays market?

(http://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-PCIE2-0-Video-HD597ACNB9/dp/B002YCKF02/ref=sr_1_cc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1282959242&sr=1-2-catcorr)

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

I built a PC that could max almost every game for a friend for 600 bucks.

ScrapersPTs

And what are the specs if I may ask? ...and what are the "every" game you are talking about?

Since ATI Radeon HD 5970 2Gb costs itself a over $700... and ain't that the "best" on todays market?

(http://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-PCIE2-0-Video-HD597ACNB9/dp/B002YCKF02/ref=sr_1_cc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1282959242&sr=1-2-catcorr)

ADD: Why did you link one of the more expensive HD5970 anyway? You can get it for 600 bucks.

*shakes head* why is it hermits, and even fakeboys use this argument? that some how pc gaming is cheap? Its not, right now if you want a pc system minus Os, keyboard and mouse and monitor that is going to play the latest games for the next 3-4 years you have to spend atleast over 1500 dollars its as simple as that. 700? 500? you are getting at most a year or 2 of it being a viable gaming platform in terms of the best of the best.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="J-WOW"]If you buy a PS3 now, the only accessories you have to buy are a second controller and a mic, thats it. Ps3's bundles come with HDMI alreadyroflumadkid

news flash........an HDMI cable is 10-15 dollars on newegg which is gold plated, i fail to see how thats a big deal.

I spend a lot more on my consoles. I keep a mid range PC around at all times and these days I only buy games on DD sale. Steam always churns out awesome deals. Actually, this PC rocks, I just need a new video card but don't have a good reason yet.

[QUOTE="J-WOW"]If you buy a PS3 now, the only accessories you have to buy are a second controller and a mic, thats it. Ps3's bundles come with HDMI alreadyGhoX

Why are using the prices of an HDTV to make console gaming seem more expensive? This is awful logic... sure an HD monitor is cheaper than an HDTV, but you can use the monitor to play console games just as you can use the TV to play PC games.

And including the price of the couch? wow... if you are playing console games on a monitor you can also use a chair, and that is ignoring the fact that almost everyone owns a couch. You dont buy a couch for console gaming. lol.

Just compare the price of the tower + mouse + keyboard vs the console + controller. Console is cheaper.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

I built a PC that could max almost every game for a friend for 600 bucks.

ScrapersPTs

And what are the specs if I may ask? ...and what are the "every" game you are talking about?

Since ATI Radeon HD 5970 2Gb costs itself a over $700... and ain't that the "best" on todays market?

(http://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-PCIE2-0-Video-HD597ACNB9/dp/B002YCKF02/ref=sr_1_cc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1282959242&sr=1-2-catcorr)

*shakes head* why is it hermits, and even fakeboys use this argument? that some how pc gaming is cheap? Its not, right now if you want a pc system minus Os, keyboard and mouse and monitor that is going to play the latest games for the next 3-4 years you have to spend atleast over 1500 dollars its as simple as that. 700? 500? you are getting at most a year or 2 of it being a viable gaming platform in terms of the best of the best.

WilliamRLBaker

Why do use a monitor in your statement? It's assumed that poeple have TV's, so why not assume they have a monitor?

Also, your "at least" is an arbitrary number, so use something a little more feasible, such as $1000. It's still a chunk, but not unreasonable like your assessment. I agree that $700 or $500 doesn't get you much, but it'll get you more than a year... Quite possibly 2 as well (especially with some of the rigs i've seen floating around here).

The 9800 GTX+ can max almost every game out there(in DX9) and it's only 130 bucks.

DragonfireXZ95

OK.
But that's only the graphics card.
How about rest of the computer? That card is almost half of the price of a new Xbox 360 or PS3.
And even if you did build your computer for your friend for 600 bucks, it's about 2x higher price than on Xbox 360 or PS3.

So, as this topic says, PC is cheaper than console?

[QUOTE="GhoX"][QUOTE="J-WOW"]

Why are using the prices of an HDTV to make console gaming seem more expensive? This is awful logic... sure an HD monitor is cheaper than an HDTV, but you can use the monitor to play console games just as you can use the TV to play PC games.

And including the price of the couch? wow... if you are playing console games on a monitor you can also use a chair, and that is ignoring the fact that almost everyone owns a couch. You dont buy a couch for console gaming. lol.

Just compare the price of the tower + mouse + keyboard vs the console + controller. Console is cheaper.

alfredooo

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

ScrapersPTs

OK.
But that's only the graphics card.
How about rest of the computer? That card is almost half of the price of a new Xbox 360 or PS3.
And even if you did build your computer for your friend for 600 bucks, it's about 2x higher price than on Xbox 360 or PS3.

So, as this topic says, PC is cheaper than console?

You are changing the front of your argument. A 600 dollars computer that can max out all games has nothing to do with a computer that can play multiplats at console quality. You get a 300-400 dollars computer for that. Remember that a game maxed out on PC has much superior quality, resolution and fps than a game running at console quality, 720p and 30 fps.

You have some really good points there. But overall I don't know how can you say that PC's are cheaper than consoles. Maybe in the lower spcetrums of PC gaming but even then it sounds doubtful.

Remember that a game maxed out on PC has much superior quality, resolution and fps than a game running at console quality, 720p and 30 fps.

GhoX

[QUOTE="GhoX"]

Remember that a game maxed out on PC has much superior quality, resolution and fps than a game running at console quality, 720p and 30 fps.

ScrapersPTs

A 600 dollars PC can max out all games, except the most demanding PC exclusives, or PC focused multiplats.

Now then, your point?

People who insist PC gaming is expensive must not be looking beyond the initial investment or never buy games. Or they don't do the digital download thing. I recall when D2D had a sale last year and I picked up games like Civ 4, Bioshock, and a bunch of others for five dollars.

I 100% agree the PC is the best however that is obvious when it is a computer THE software designer THE one thing that programs everything. How does the PC not win? It created the other systems. It is cheaper as well. But slacks in the "fun" department for me. My friends are'nt on the computer sending me messages and invites to games and parties. They're on the consoles. Also I never really feel in the game on the pc. Just doesn't feel right. Bottom line the pc wins in EVERYTHING but I still will never play games on it as much as my ps3.

I have to disagree, especially when many PC games want a monthly subscription paid, you're actually better off playing console games as those are one time purchases without need to keep paying to play. And DLC isn't that expensive.Cloud_765

Just in the MMO genre. That's really not a big deal. Especially when you consider MMO crack heads only ever play that one game.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

*shakes head* why is it hermits, and even fakeboys use this argument? that some how pc gaming is cheap? Its not, right now if you want a pc system minus Os, keyboard and mouse and monitor that is going to play the latest games for the next 3-4 years you have to spend atleast over 1500 dollars its as simple as that. 700? 500? you are getting at most a year or 2 of it being a viable gaming platform in terms of the best of the best.

DragonfireXZ95

Really? Everyone has a tv before they buy a console, who would have a monitor before they get a PC if we are talking starting from scratch

Now then, your point?

GhoX

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

*shakes head* why is it hermits, and even fakeboys use this argument? that some how pc gaming is cheap? Its not, right now if you want a pc system minus Os, keyboard and mouse and monitor that is going to play the latest games for the next 3-4 years you have to spend atleast over 1500 dollars its as simple as that. 700? 500? you are getting at most a year or 2 of it being a viable gaming platform in terms of the best of the best.

dachase

Really? Everyone has a tv before they buy a console, who would have a monitor before they get a PC if we are talking starting from scratch

I'm sure many would have the mindset that a monitor is absolutely required. Me? I spend a lot of time gaming on a PC hooked up to a 2003-era 32" 720p LCD TV (all Windows 7 and game res are at 1280x768) . It doesn't take much for a PC gamer to realize what the VGA/DVI/HDMI ports on a TV are for....and yes. I'm on the couch.

Edit: I thought going from 1440x900 to 1280x768 might pose a problem. But, Windows 7 and every single game I have installed autoconfigured themselves to use the TV res. No inputs from me were necessary except to doublecheck and make sure I still have the same detail settings for each game which were all fine.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

*shakes head* why is it hermits, and even fakeboys use this argument? that some how pc gaming is cheap? Its not, right now if you want a pc system minus Os, keyboard and mouse and monitor that is going to play the latest games for the next 3-4 years you have to spend atleast over 1500 dollars its as simple as that. 700? 500? you are getting at most a year or 2 of it being a viable gaming platform in terms of the best of the best.

dachase

Really? Everyone has a tv before they buy a console, who would have a monitor before they get a PC if we are talking starting from scratch

Really? Everyone has a PC but not a gaming PC, so they most have a monitor already.:roll:

Why do people not realize you can't directly compare the price of a PC to a console?

PC's are expensive. Mine cost $600, some people spend $1500.

The thing about my PC, and others, are that they do about ten thousand other things the PS3/360/Wii can't do, so why compare their prices?

Compare a household telephone to a smartphone (blackberry, iphone, etc). The house phone costs $20, the smartphone costs $150. The house phone bill is $30 a month, and the smartphone is $70 a month.

Only to someone who only wants to make calls does that house phone sound like the best deal, but someone who wants the benefits of texting, phone, apps, games, web, gps, etc etc will shun the house phone and buy a smart phone.

These threads are among the group of threads that need to stop being made. Just face the facts that some people just want to plug a phone in and make calls.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]The 9800 GTX+ can max almost every game out there(in DX9) and it's only 130 bucks.

ScrapersPTs

OK.
But that's only the graphics card.
How about rest of the computer? That card is almost half of the price of a new Xbox 360 or PS3.
And even if you did build your computer for your friend for 600 bucks, it's about 2x higher price than on Xbox 360 or PS3.

So, as this topic says, PC is cheaper than console?

Let me tell you this so you can learn.

CPU and RAM are much less important than your video card for almost every PC game made.

Nice try leaving your original quote out of there though. You asked for a graphics card that could max almost every game, I gave you one and you skirted the issue.

And what are the specs if I may ask? ...and what are the "every" game you are talking about?

Since ATI Radeon HD 5970 2Gb costs itself a over $700... and ain't that the "best" on todays market?

(http://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-PCIE2-0-Video-HD597ACNB9/dp/B002YCKF02/ref=sr_1_cc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1282959242&sr=1-2-catcorr)

ScrapersPTs