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#1 soulitane
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http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraftcataclysm/review.html?tag=topslot;img;1

Thought it would be higher, guess it's another flop.

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#2 millerlight89
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Well it's confirmed. PC gaming is dying.
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#3 DarkLink77
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Man, GS is flopping EVERYTHING this year. Lord have mercy. :lol:

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#4 UCF_Knight
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This was hyped AAA? :o Anyway, good score. Nice for all the WoW fans, though I highly doubt they waited to see any reviews. :P
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#5 rzepak
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To me this is the best expansion yet, simply for the fact that it has mobilised guilds to do runs together more often. Now its not only high level players that get to gether for a run, its everyone trying grouping up and going for the guild perks.

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#6 soulitane
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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]This was hyped AAA? :o Anyway, good score. Nice for all the WoW fans, though I highly doubt they waited to see any reviews. :P

Yup the hype was AAA I'm pretty sure.
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#7 Arach666
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Damn,even WoW isn´t safe from the GS flopping rampage.! :o

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#8 Ikuto_Tsukiyomi
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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]This was hyped AAA? :o Anyway, good score. Nice for all the WoW fans, though I highly doubt they waited to see any reviews. :Psoulitane
Yup the hype was AAA I'm pretty sure.

It was hyped AAA, but why PC gamers give GS reviews credit is beyond me :?

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#9 NaveedLife
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I don't play WoW, but I am a bit shocked since I hear its the best expansion yet and adds so much to the game. Hmm well apparently AAE didnt harm its sales at all :P.

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#10 UCF_Knight
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Hype was AAA.

Teh flopz, Gamespot haz dem.

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#11 mystervj
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best expansion yet, i doubt any1 who plays wow actually cares what score it gets
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#12 brennan7777
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One of the biggest reasons it didn't make the AAA cut is because they didn't include all the changes made before the expansion, that were in a way part of the expansion, in the review. Whether they should include that in the review or not is debatable.

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#13 Wanderer5
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A flop for Blizzard?:P

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#14 kozzy1234
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best WOW expansion no doubt

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#15 Espada12
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Flop! Nothing is safe! And yes hype was AAA.

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#16 Espada12
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One of the biggest reasons it didn't make the AAA cut is because they didn't include all the changes made before the expansion, that were in a way part of the expansion, in the review. Whether they should include that in the review or not is debatable.

brennan7777

Yeah I said that to myself as well, if they added the changes with CATA it would have been AAA as it would have counted as basically new content.

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#17 jakeocooney
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When someone says "Yes, the hype was AAA," what are they referring to? The only "proof" that someone put up was a poll that included about 200 people. Just because some saw a post in a forum from one person, people immediately decide that the one person represent all gamers. Can someone put forth some more evidence please?

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#18 UCF_Knight
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When someone says "Yes, the hype was AAA," what are they referring to? The only "proof" that someone put up was a poll that included about 200 people. Just because some saw a post in a forum from one person, people immediately decide that the one person represent all gamers. Can someone put forth some more evidence please?

jakeocooney
Huh? For every game, there is a poll. The majority vote determines hype. Just because people do not wish to partake, does not mean the poll is not valid, or no president would have ever been elected.
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#19 soulitane
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When someone says "Yes, the hype was AAA," what are they referring to? The only "proof" that someone put up was a poll that included about 200 people. Just because some saw a post in a forum from one person, people immediately decide that the one person represent all gamers. Can someone put forth some more evidence please?

jakeocooney
It's just how system wars works, the game itself isn't necessarily a flop just on system wars.
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#20 Espada12
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When someone says "Yes, the hype was AAA," what are they referring to? The only "proof" that someone put up was a poll that included about 200 people. Just because some saw a post in a forum from one person, people immediately decide that the one person represent all gamers. Can someone put forth some more evidence please?

jakeocooney

Dude as a PC gamer, we all know the hype was AAA amongst us. Some people even citing "the best expansion to date", which it honestly is.

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#21 Antantics
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When someone says "Yes, the hype was AAA," what are they referring to? The only "proof" that someone put up was a poll that included about 200 people. Just because some saw a post in a forum from one person, people immediately decide that the one person represent all gamers. Can someone put forth some more evidence please?

jakeocooney

Thats all the evidence system wars needs. If GT5 is a flop so is Cata!! FACT!!!!!!9w92719373921

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#22 funsohng
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oh man, 8.5 again? I think GS is trolling xD
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#23 OneLazyAsian
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I guess GS felt like handing out flops this year like candy.

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#24 Vaasman
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Well even if it's a flop I am enjoying it far, far more than BC or WotLK so w/e. I think it might be that gamespot didn't include all the updates outside of the 80-85 stuff. Or maybe they're just raging from the fact that heroics are actually hard again.

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#25 Espada12
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oh man, 8.5 again? I think GS is trolling xDfunsohng

Well their reasoning might be considered silly, however I think I can understand where they are coming from. They said the expansion did not change as much as the free update although some would argue the free update was part of the expansion content, GS saw otherwise as you don't need the expansion to experience it. So all the things the update provided (the new skill descriptions, redesigned zones (bulk of content here), spells, class-factions combos) weren't counted while reviewing cataclysm.

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#26 funsohng
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[QUOTE="funsohng"]oh man, 8.5 again? I think GS is trolling xDEspada12

Well their reasoning might be considered silly, however I think I can understand where they are coming from. They said the expansion did not change as much as the free update although some would argue the free update was part of the expansion content, GS saw otherwise as you don't need the expansion to experience it. So all the things the update provided (the new skill descriptions, redesigned zones (bulk of content here), spells, class-factions combos) weren't counted while reviewing cataclysm.

Well, that kinda proves WoW is still awesome for who plays it still doesn't it?
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#27 Espada12
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Well, that kinda proves WoW is still awesome for who plays it still doesn't it?funsohng

It does, but people gonna hate!

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#28 Ncsoftlover
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It flopped !! :D

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#29 Arach666
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Well, that kinda proves WoW is still awesome for who plays it still doesn't it?funsohng
,Yeah,the fact that it got an 8.5 when so much of the new content wasn´t even considered shows that it´s a great expansion.

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#30 Ravenchrome
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It flopped !! :D

Ncsoftlover

yeah! Because NCsoft has produced 9.0+ games since its birth!

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#31 funsohng
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[QUOTE="funsohng"]Well, that kinda proves WoW is still awesome for who plays it still doesn't it?Espada12

It does, but people gonna hate!

I mean, I don't even play WoW, and I was impressed by GiantBomb Quicklook. I heard they pretty much destroyed everything in the map, but not like overnight, but like over the course of time and had special events like cultists invading cities and whatnot, sounded like some intense business.
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#32 jedikevin2
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Expansion got a 8.5... Def doesn't seem floppish. Seems to be bout the average of MMO expansion reviews here. I don't play WOW but just looking at the few games gamespot actually reviewed of this nature, 8.5 seems to be the norm.
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#33 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="funsohng"]Well, that kinda proves WoW is still awesome for who plays it still doesn't it?funsohng

It does, but people gonna hate!

I mean, I don't even play WoW, and I was impressed by GiantBomb Quicklook. I heard they pretty much destroyed everything in the map, but not like overnight, but like over the course of time and had special events like cultists invading cities and whatnot, sounded like some intense business.

Yea they did alot of stuff. First it was actually cultist infiltrating and spreading their propaganda, then they set traps all over the major cities, then they unleashed elementals all over the major cities via the traps, and during all this death wing is being annoying and causing elementals to go crazy all over the world and all this time you are playing double agent trying to figure out who is leading them and what they are doing and how they are going to do it.

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#34 Ncsoftlover
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[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

It flopped !! :D

Ravenchrome

yeah! Because NCsoft has produced 9.0+ games since its birth!

Oh I'm not wishing for it to flop, I love Blizzard, I just found it quite funny when something like this flops :P

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#35 funsohng
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[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

It does, but people gonna hate!

Espada12

I mean, I don't even play WoW, and I was impressed by GiantBomb Quicklook. I heard they pretty much destroyed everything in the map, but not like overnight, but like over the course of time and had special events like cultists invading cities and whatnot, sounded like some intense business.

Yea they did alot of stuff. First it was actually cultist infiltrating and spreading their propaganda, then they set traps all over the major cities, then they unleashed elementals all over the major cities via the traps, and during all this death wing is being annoying and causing elementals to go crazy all over the world and all this time you are playing double agent trying to figure out who is leading them and what they are doing and how they are going to do it.

all that for promoting an expansion. damn.
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#36 Ncsoftlover
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I just want to add that I don't think there is a single game in gamespot history that has its third expansion score in the AAAs.

So that's pretty much not doable.

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#37 shinrabanshou
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Flopaclysm. Year of the flop indeed.

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#38 abuabed
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Should we adhere to "Sales" argument now? :P
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#39 edinsftw
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I am by all means not a wow fan, quite the opposite, but i think its the best expansion they had so far it made the questing to level up much better which was my main gripe with it.

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#41 htekemerald
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I enjoy that they considered the shattering update as not part of cataclysm.

Yet more proof of gamespots incompetence when it comes to the PC.

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#42 Ballroompirate
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If i'm not mistaken it sold 3.3 million in the first 24 hours, thats pretty good.

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#43 Bigboi500
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You mean it didn't get a 10? :shock: Floppaclysm!

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#44 Lucianu
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In general, AAA refers to a game of the highest quality. It was impossible for a 3rd expansion for a MMORPG to score a 9 or above, on this site, i thought it would be given a 8.0. A 8.5 is something i didn't expect, but its Blizzard. I don't know why people hyped it to be above 9 on Gamespot. So its a flop.

But do people on this site even comprehend what AAA means?

The common qualities of a AAA title, as i have heard from other sites, hardcore gamers, casual games, are:

  • - High-quality
    - Broad market
    - High sales
    - Polished audio-visual direction
    - Close to perfect technical and artistic execution
    - Playable & fully enjoyable within the first five minutes of play
    - Exhaustively tested
    - Bug free
    - Great usability
    - Continous, balanced entertainment from beginning to end
    - Hype

WoW Cataclysm sold 3.3 million in 24 hours, and set a new record on PC sales. I think the two most fundamental factors that define a AAA game are scores and sales. On Gamespot, its a flop. On other sites, its not.

In the world, Blizzard won.

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#45 alextherussian
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I enjoy that they considered the shattering update as not part of cataclysm.

Yet more proof of gamespots incompetence when it comes to the PC.

htekemerald
But its not part of Cataclysm...You dont have to buy the expansion to enjoy the other benefits.
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#46 alextherussian
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If i'm not mistaken it sold 3.3 million in the first 24 hours, thats pretty good.

Ballroompirate
ahah yeah thats a "little" good. In the same way that Iphone is just sorta selling now, a few units here and there but not like one of the highest sellers on the market or anything..
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#47 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

I enjoy that they considered the shattering update as not part of cataclysm.

Yet more proof of gamespots incompetence when it comes to the PC.

alextherussian

But its not part of Cataclysm...You dont have to buy the expansion to enjoy the other benefits.

It is, blizzard just decided to give it away for free.

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#48 alextherussian
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It is, blizzard just decided to give it away for free.

htekemerald

And props to them. Amazing thing for them to do. As a whole experience WoW is made much stronger by this decision. However, its not a part of Cataclysm. You dont have to buy Cataclysm to experience this new material. This is worth noting to anyone who is looking to make a purchase. Scores are given to sway purchasing behaviour. So as such GS was quite right to not include this stuff into the review as you will have already paid for it before (by buying any WoW product)...

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#49 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]It is, blizzard just decided to give it away for free.

alextherussian

And props to them. Amazing thing for them to do. As a whole experience WoW is made much stronger by this decision. However, its not a part of Cataclysm. You dont have to buy Cataclysm to experience this new material. This is worth noting to anyone who is looking to make a purchase. Scores are given to sway purchasing behaviour. So as such GS was quite right to not include this stuff into the review as you will have already paid for it before (by buying any WoW product)...

The fact that the review didn't give any credit to these large free updates wow has on a regular basis is moronic, plain and simple. Every other company would charge you through the nose for similar patches, but if that's the model you want to support for the gaming industry so be it.

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#50 CoolSkAGuy
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Pretty fair review imo.