Can we say Mass Effect Legendary edition easily beats every jrpgs ?

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#1  Edited By deactivated-64fbf588222fb
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Jrpgs like Souls , Final Fantasy and others. Sorry to hurt jrpg fans , I love jrpgs very much myself but Mass Effect trilogy updated graphics is on another level in terms of si fi action rpg. It's the best of the best! And the swag of fem shep, badass to the core. And the crazy team, Garry, Lia, Mira , Tali , Wrex, Kai you can't help falling in love with and they instantly becomes your fav squadmates of all time.

Or you beg to differ ?

Well?

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#2 Mesome713
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Not Zelda, and. Definitely not Xenoblade.

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#3  Edited By R4gn4r0k  Online
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Final Fantasy VII remake is a great JRPG because it caters to a western crowd.

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#4 Maroxad
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Better graphics would not save Mass Effect from being a sleeping pill.

They need competent game mechanics.

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#5 daredevils2k
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It’s definitely better then Starfield because of the locked 30 fps that Starfield suffers from .

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#6 PCLover1980
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Depends on what game/s it's up against to and at what part. If you're talking about generally, nah, I can't agree to that.

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#7  Edited By Macutchi
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mass effect 1 had a great story, right up there with the best i've experienced in video games. that's about as much praise i can give the entire series.

so no

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#8 Nirgal
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Its better value, but not better games.

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#9 Ghosts4ever
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Mass effect 1 a great story but shit gameplay. 2 and 3 have slightly improve gameplay but bad story.

in general they are just mediocre cover based shooters.

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#10 deactivated-65dd04f21decf
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Somebody has never played Xenogears, lol.

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#11  Edited By sonny2dap
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I'm rather fond of Mass effect as a series/franchise/universe, no we cannot say that, it's definitely superior to many jRPG's but every? nope. Also ME2 remains the highpoint of the series.

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#12 Chutebox
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No 😆

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#13  Edited By shellcase86
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Can we say Mass Effect Legendary edition easily beats every jrpgs ?

No, we cannot.

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#14 Pedro
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Most definitely for some people. Absolutely not for others.

That is how opinions work. Folks treat the enjoyment of games as an objective evaluation and it simply isn't.

But, let us argue who is right and who is wrong.🤷🏽‍♂️

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#15 Archangel3371
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@Pedro: Exactly. /thread

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#16 uninspiredcup
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Real men play CRPGS.

Especially virgins. (the purest of men)

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#17 Juub1990
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@mesome713 said:

Not Zelda, and. Definitely not Xenoblade.

Zelda being a JRPG is just lol. Nobody has ever referred to it as such.

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#18 Fedor
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Love Mass Effect, but no.

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#19 Miquella
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Nope

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#20 lamprey263
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For starters, there's not many JRPGs I like to begin with, but not even I'd agree with this and I love the Mass Effect games.

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#21 mrbojangles25
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Are they really competitors, though?

I mean I pretty much loathe most JRPG's and love Mass Effect, but I'm not so biased as to be like "This apple is soooooo much better than that orange!"

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#22 IvanGrozny
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Better than Souls games? Lol no

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#23 Mesome713
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@Juub1990: Nintendo does.

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#24 nepu7supastar7
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@kazumakiryu21:

It is an undoubtedly one of the best trilogies out there but it's far from being better than every jrpg out there. Mainly because jrpgs feature a wide range of different genres and themes that it's impossible for Mass Effect Legendary to beat ALL of them. It's definitely up there with the greats though. I'd go as far as to say that Mass Effect Trilogy Legendary Edition gives the original Final Fantasy VII a run for its money.

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#25  Edited By cdragon_88
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lol

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#26 Last_Lap
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@kazumakiryu21: ME isn't even an rpg, it's a sci-fi third person shooter.

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#27 Last_Lap
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@daredevils2k said:

It’s definitely better then Starfield because of the locked 30 fps that Starfield suffers from .

Someone wants to play Starfield REALLY badly 🤣

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#28  Edited By Litchie
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Mass Effect is like a poor mans Star Trek without interesting gameplay. It's ok, but nothing really special. How good it is basically depends on how into its drama you are. Played the first one and liked it, played the second one and disliked it, never looked at the third one, laughed at Andromeda.

That said though, there are basically no good JRPGs in the world, lol. I mean.. Dragon Quest XI was ok, but really fucking easy and very slow, and people gave it 9 or 10/10. My guess is that the whole series is like that. Xeno series is like a SP MMO, which is weird. Tales of series is braindead attack spam. If there's any good JRPGs out there, I still haven't found any. Except:

The best JRPG I've ever played is Paper Mario: TTYD. Not only did it have fantastic gameplay, it had great writing, and it was very neatly paced too, something other JRPGs just doesn't do. It totally shits on Mass Effect too.

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#29 Mozelleple112
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If we are counting From Software games (sans Sekiro) as JRPGs then they destroy the Mass Effect trilogy lol.

Elden Ring > Bloodborne > DS3 > DS1 > ME2 > DeS > DS2 > ME3 > ME1 >>>>>>>>>> Andromeda BS.

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TC is like, hmm, I like Mass Effect.

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#31  Edited By Raining51
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I think Bioware played a strong role in modernizing D&D and influencing western RPGs, but I think JRPGs were made under the shadow of Japanese action and arcade games which compelled them to be a lot more functional game wise with superior mechanics and less role playing but more of everything else that makes a game good.

As a consequence, I would say basically all JRPGs, not just the good ones but bad ones even, are better than not just Mass Effect, but NWN, BG, or DA or any Bioware franchise. That's a pretty extreme position, but I think JRPGs are influential games you can go back to and replay whereas Bioware was really no different from Acclaim or some other influential game studio that made it's mark but nobody really plays their games today.

I think fan culture and the idea of promoting and being addicted to IPs has propelled Bioware well past their expiration date. If they had to sustain themselves throughout the 80s and 90s purely through the marketplace like Nintendo, Sony, Sega and PC games did they really would of just been a flash in the pan I think.

That said, I'm not really criticizing the enjoyment of ME as I played the original trilogy on launch and held them in high regard, it's only the long passage of time and the fact that I really prioritize gameplay over world building and such that really diminished what everyone (including myself) held in such high regard at one point.

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#32 PurpleMan5000
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The Mass Effect Legendary Edition really only served to show me how awfully the original Mass Effect has aged. It's not the great game that I remembered it being.

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#33 Macutchi
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@PurpleMan5000 said:

The Mass Effect Legendary Edition really only served to show me how awfully the original Mass Effect has aged. It's not the great game that I remembered it being.

that is exactly why i didnt want to replay it.

could see it not ageing well a mile off - years and years before the trilogy bundle came out - and didn't want to ruin the great memory i had of it.

but in the end i gave in, got the bundle and yep no surprises, gameplay had aged like milk, although it was already pretty sour when it first released. it's got a fantastic story, which has aged well, and is so good it carries the rest of the game, or did when i played it originally, but even that wasn't enough to get me through the bundle version. bailed mid game. not touched the remastered me2 or 3 either. money well spent

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#34 Juub1990
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@mesome713 said:

@Juub1990: Nintendo does.

No, Nintendo doesn't.

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#35 Jag85
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Lol, no.

If Mass Effect were hypothetically a Japanese RPG, it wouldn't even be among the top 10 best Japanese RPGs.

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#36 texasgoldrush
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@Jag85 said:

Lol, no.

If Mass Effect were hypothetically a Japanese RPG, it wouldn't even be among the top 10 best Japanese RPGs.

No, the trilogy is GOAT.

Very view games have choices that impact the sequels heavily.

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#37 Jag85
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@texasgoldrush: That doesn't make it GOAT material. And its choices ultimately meant very little.

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Mass effect is a more memorable experience than every jrpg I've ever played with the exception of maybe ff4, some Zelda games and some souls games that give it a run. They crafted a wonderful set of characters and a story you can actually follow an di merse yourself in.

Who would've thought that arguably the biggest franchise to come out of that generation would be all but forgotten one generation later.

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#39  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@Jag85 said:

@texasgoldrush: That doesn't make it GOAT material. And its choices ultimately meant very little.

No, the B plots and the C plots have vastly different endings based on your choices.

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#40  Edited By deactivated-66666429d39fb
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Lol you can't be serious. Mass Effect is like bottom tier when it comes to the best w/jRPGs. If you think the Mass Effect Trilogy is better than games like the Dragon Quest Zenethia Trilogy, you're either deluded or you've never played the Zenethia Trilogy

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#41  Edited By Jag85
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@texasgoldrush: That still wouldn't make it GOAT material. Saying something is GOAT material just because it has a slightly branching storyline with a few different endings is a bit ridiculous. Mass Effect doesn't come anywhere close to a typical visual novel in that regard.

What defines GOAT status is gameplay, not storytelling. The storytelling can certainly enhance a game. But the core gameplay needs to be great, first and foremost. That's where Mass Effect falls short.

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#42  Edited By nepu7supastar7
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@Jag85:

I can see that being the case with Mass Effect 1 but and 2 and 3 had great gameplay - unless you hate duck-and-cover. That system was very popular at the time so it's not a knock when it chooses to rock it for the duration of the trilogy. How else would you handle gun fights? Stand there in one spot and shoot like a 3rd person shooter from the early 2000's? The duck-and-cover system is what saved the genre from going extinct even though devs started abusing it.

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#43  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@Jag85 said:

@texasgoldrush: That still wouldn't make it GOAT material. Saying something is GOAT material just because it has a slightly branching storyline with a few different endings is a bit ridiculous. Mass Effect doesn't come anywhere close to a typical visual novel in that regard.

What defines GOAT status is gameplay, not storytelling. The storytelling can certainly enhance a game. But the core gameplay needs to be great, first and foremost. That's where Mass Effect falls short.

Mass Effect 3's gameplay is top notch, thats why its multiplayer was an unexpected success.

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#44 iambatman7986
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Sure you can say that, but I won't agree. I prefer Xenoblade Chronicles, Golden Sun, FF4, FF6, and many more jrpg's over it.

Mass Effect is an amazing trilogy, but it's not my favorite rpg. It's even questionable if 2 and 3 are rpg's.

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#45  Edited By Jag85
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@nepu7supastar7: Mass Effect shooting combat is not bad, but it doesn't hold a candle to proper TPS games like Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, Vanquish, Max Payne, etc.

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#46  Edited By KathaarianCode
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I think that taking into account the modern trends plaguing videogames, Mass Effect got better with time. Ye, it's flawed but the ambitious narrative scale and solid gameplay made me feel like I was playing something "fresh" when I played the remaster.

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#47  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@Jag85 said:

@nepu7supastar7: Mass Effect shooting combat is not bad, but it doesn't hold a candle to proper TPS games like Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, Vanquish, Max Payne, etc.

Yet you don't have to play it as a shooter. The Engineer and Adept, and many multiplayer races, it can get you killed.

And no, ME3 is rock solid as a shooter. And Andromeda is good as well.

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#48 Willy105
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I think the premise of Mass Effect is incredible.

But I don’t think I’d consider them good games, let alone games good enough to better than the best WRPGs like Fallout New Vegas, or better than the best JRPGs, like Chrono Trigger.