can the government help with these broken games

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#1  Edited By jsmoke03
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With batman and countless other games coming out broken, is there a department that can regulate and/or punish game companies for knowingly releasing a broken product?

i think gamers have had enough. I'm not saying its going to be a video game crash like the 80's, but a quality game should be more important than pushing for deadlines.

anyone have any thoughts on the matter or know if gamers can be helped by some kind of better business burea or a consumer department ?

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#3 SamusBeliskner
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If you're in the U.S., there are plenty of consumer protection laws, all of which revolve around returning you your money. e.g. if you paid via credit, dispute the charge.

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Batman is okay on my PS4.

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@magicalclick said:

Don't buy trash. The end.

would you know a game is a buggy mess before buying it? what if the review has an embargo?

@samusbeliskner said:

If you're in the U.S., there are plenty of consumer protection laws, all of which revolve around returning you your money. e.g. if you paid via credit, dispute the charge.

im not talking about getting a refund. I'm talking about someone that can impose rules on the video game industry for knowingly releasing bad games.

remember the nintendo quality seal? im not saying the game will be good, but crap like batman arkham origins not being patched for game breaking bugs that impedes game progress , or halo mcc having unplayable mp...those kind of things. Minor patches are fine, but these are unacceptable to consumers

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also don't pre-order MCC was a huge wakup call for me hell i bought the console for that game

wait for some reviews and stuff

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@k--m--k said:

Batman is okay on my PS4.

what happens if it isnt?

as gamers, i dont think we should wait until the problems affect us

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@jsmoke03 said:
@samusbeliskner said:

If you're in the U.S., there are plenty of consumer protection laws, all of which revolve around returning you your money. e.g. if you paid via credit, dispute the charge.

im not talking about getting a refund. I'm talking about someone that can impose rules on the video game industry for knowingly releasing bad games.

remember the nintendo quality seal? im not saying the game will be good, but crap like batman arkham origins not being patched for game breaking bugs that impedes game progress , or halo mcc having unplayable mp...those kind of things. Minor patches are fine, but these are unacceptable to consumers

The Nintendo seal of quality was a sham. There were plenty of bad games released. It was all part of Nintendo way of preventing unlicensed cartridges on the system, and was in no way indicative of a game's quality.

So you want the government imposing rules on private companies who must make games to a certain standard? I don't think that would fly.

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#9  Edited By -God-
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@k--m--k said:

Batman is okay on my PS4.

Drive Club, Unity, Farcry4, SFIV, Thief, Watchdogs.

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#10  Edited By jimmyjammer69
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The Ministry of Broken Dreams and Hurt Feelings. Honestly, with Steam refunds being so easy now, it's not a big issue - the studios are just wasting their own time and money releasing in this state.

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@samusbeliskner said:
@jsmoke03 said:
@samusbeliskner said:

If you're in the U.S., there are plenty of consumer protection laws, all of which revolve around returning you your money. e.g. if you paid via credit, dispute the charge.

im not talking about getting a refund. I'm talking about someone that can impose rules on the video game industry for knowingly releasing bad games.

remember the nintendo quality seal? im not saying the game will be good, but crap like batman arkham origins not being patched for game breaking bugs that impedes game progress , or halo mcc having unplayable mp...those kind of things. Minor patches are fine, but these are unacceptable to consumers

The Nintendo seal of quality was a sham. There were plenty of bad games released. It was all part of Nintendo way of preventing unlicensed cartridges on the system, and was in no way indicative of a game's quality.

So you want the government imposing rules on private companies who must make games to a certain standard? I don't think that would fly.

not like quality of the game like if its good or bad in how it plays , but quality where if they release a game that has game breaking bugs, then there would be some kind of penalty for doing so. Im thinking like a fine for releasing a bug riddled game like halo mcc or arkham origins.

These devs hire qa testers for a reason right? i'm not talking about small bugs, but something that happened with arkham knight should have not been released. This is WB games second big offense.

@jimmyjammer69 said:

The Ministry of Broken Dreams and Hurt Feelings. Honestly, with Steam refunds being so easy now, it's not a big issue - the studios are just wasting their own time and money releasing in this state.

so everyone is ok with the game industry releasing buggy broken games as long as you can get a refund? wow ok, i guess i was wrong then

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Because of Youtube it will never end.

Want to know why?

<Because of this.

<A buggy game made on purpose!

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@-God- said:
@k--m--k said:

Batman is okay on my PS4.

Drive Club, Unity, Farcry4, SFIV, Thief, Watchdogs.

Well we all can't be perfect God.

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No that's a waste of tax payers money for something YOU can control. Simply put, wait to buy anything.

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#16  Edited By Ten_Pints
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Never pre order anything, simple.

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Steam has come closer than most with the refund policy. Nintendo does good by checking the games etc and stamping with the official seal of quality they have, other than that it a play it by ear type of thing. I only buy certain games on day 1 and ive been lucky that the games i buy dont have many problems. The last game i bought day 1 that had problems was GTA5, but i still beat the whole game in 3 days without any major issues. I never got to try the online part cause it was done and i traded the game i before the value dropped to low.

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All you have to do is buy the game a day after everyone else. And before you go and buy it browse some forums and read some reviews. If it's broken you'll find out very quickly.

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#19 jsmoke03
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ok consensus is dont fix the problem as a whole industry but let the individual hope that everything gets patched soon before buying.

@john_of_rivia said:

No that's a waste of tax payers money for something YOU can control. Simply put, wait to buy anything.

i'm not asking for a new department to be set up. im asking if a department that already exist can put penalties and fines for releasing a broken product.

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#20  Edited By Bruin1986
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@jsmoke03 said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@jsmoke03 said:
@samusbeliskner said:

If you're in the U.S., there are plenty of consumer protection laws, all of which revolve around returning you your money. e.g. if you paid via credit, dispute the charge.

im not talking about getting a refund. I'm talking about someone that can impose rules on the video game industry for knowingly releasing bad games.

remember the nintendo quality seal? im not saying the game will be good, but crap like batman arkham origins not being patched for game breaking bugs that impedes game progress , or halo mcc having unplayable mp...those kind of things. Minor patches are fine, but these are unacceptable to consumers

The Nintendo seal of quality was a sham. There were plenty of bad games released. It was all part of Nintendo way of preventing unlicensed cartridges on the system, and was in no way indicative of a game's quality.

So you want the government imposing rules on private companies who must make games to a certain standard? I don't think that would fly.

not like quality of the game like if its good or bad in how it plays , but quality where if they release a game that has game breaking bugs, then there would be some kind of penalty for doing so. Im thinking like a fine for releasing a bug riddled game like halo mcc or arkham origins.

These devs hire qa testers for a reason right? i'm not talking about small bugs, but something that happened with arkham knight should have not been released. This is WB games second big offense.

@jimmyjammer69 said:

The Ministry of Broken Dreams and Hurt Feelings. Honestly, with Steam refunds being so easy now, it's not a big issue - the studios are just wasting their own time and money releasing in this state.

so everyone is ok with the game industry releasing buggy broken games as long as you can get a refund? wow ok, i guess i was wrong then

You want the government to impose a fine on any game developer who releases a game that has a "game breaking bug"?

Besides the legal impossibility of defining what objectively qualifies as a "game breaking bug", this would cause both game development cycles to increase in length, and massively increase in cost. Would you be willing to spend $80 for a game that has the US Department of Commerce "seal of approval"? Bethesda games would cost $100.

This would have so many negatively repercussions it is impossible to list them all. Developers would immediately decrease the ambition and scale of their games, because it would be easier/cheaper to thoroughly QA a small, heavily recycled (from previous titles) game.

If customers expect developers to keep pushing the boundaries in games with better graphics, bigger environments, more complex mechanics, etc, you have to also expect bugs to accompany them. QA teams simply can't find everything that a gaming audience of millions of people can upon release.

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@Bruin1986 said:
@jsmoke03 said:
@samusbeliskner said:
@jsmoke03 said:
@samusbeliskner said:

If you're in the U.S., there are plenty of consumer protection laws, all of which revolve around returning you your money. e.g. if you paid via credit, dispute the charge.

im not talking about getting a refund. I'm talking about someone that can impose rules on the video game industry for knowingly releasing bad games.

remember the nintendo quality seal? im not saying the game will be good, but crap like batman arkham origins not being patched for game breaking bugs that impedes game progress , or halo mcc having unplayable mp...those kind of things. Minor patches are fine, but these are unacceptable to consumers

The Nintendo seal of quality was a sham. There were plenty of bad games released. It was all part of Nintendo way of preventing unlicensed cartridges on the system, and was in no way indicative of a game's quality.

So you want the government imposing rules on private companies who must make games to a certain standard? I don't think that would fly.

not like quality of the game like if its good or bad in how it plays , but quality where if they release a game that has game breaking bugs, then there would be some kind of penalty for doing so. Im thinking like a fine for releasing a bug riddled game like halo mcc or arkham origins.

These devs hire qa testers for a reason right? i'm not talking about small bugs, but something that happened with arkham knight should have not been released. This is WB games second big offense.

@jimmyjammer69 said:

The Ministry of Broken Dreams and Hurt Feelings. Honestly, with Steam refunds being so easy now, it's not a big issue - the studios are just wasting their own time and money releasing in this state.

so everyone is ok with the game industry releasing buggy broken games as long as you can get a refund? wow ok, i guess i was wrong then

You want the government to impose a fine on any game developer who releases a game that has a "game breaking bug"?

Besides the legal impossibility of defining what objectively qualifies as a "game breaking bug", this would cause both game development cycles to increase in length, and massively increase in cost. Would you be willing to spend $80 for a game that has the US Department of Commerce "seal of approval"? Bethesda games would cost $100.

This would have so many negatively repercussions it is impossible to list them all. Developers would immediately decrease the ambition and scale of their games, because it would be easier/cheaper to thoroughly QA a small, heavily recycled (from previous titles) game.

If customers expect developers to keep pushing the boundaries in games with better graphics, bigger environments, more complex mechanics, etc, you have to also expect bugs to accompany them. QA teams simply can't find everything that a gaming audience of millions of people can upon release.

I agree with you. On top of that, they've indirectly made things hard for everybody in the gaming world because of real world inflation making it hard to try and keep costs down. I believe this is why we see so much dlc and pre-order bonuses and such. If we didn't get get the dlc and pre-order bonuses offered to us, they might as well start charging 70 or 80, maybe even 100 dollars for video games because of the rising costs. They may end up having to do that anyway eventually. I think we've been really lucky that they've been able to keep the 60 dollar price tag consistent with last and this gen, but next gen, I don't know.

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#22  Edited By Guy_Brohski
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The government is stealing our Social Security, so do you honestly think they would contribute towards getting Batman Arkham Knight PC up to console standards strictly for your enjoyment?

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#23  Edited By MK-Professor
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Governments should not put any restrictions to business, period.

How you are going to protect your self? simple, Do not pre-order and also wait a week before buying ANYTHING, and more importantly do your research.