Can Kinect escape it's "Casual Garbage" image?

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#1 Michael324
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#2 LegatoSkyheart
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great arguement.

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#3 lx_theo
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Only if lems embrace casual gaming. Then it won't be casual gaming anymore...

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#4 AAllxxjjnn
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If MS can make a 'core' title work really well with Kinect, maybe.
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#5 ActicEdge
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Why are we treating casual and grabage as if its a truth in itself?

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#6 OneLazyAsian
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Change "Kinect" to "Motion Controls" and it would be more accurate. And, nope, I don't think so. The stigma is there. It would take like a hundred AAA+ games before that will go away.

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It's selling well, so no.
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Don't know yet.
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#9 Michael324
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Change "Kinect" to "Motion Controls" and it would be more accurate. And, nope, I don't think so. The stigma is there. It would take like a hundred AAA+ games before that will go away.

OneLazyAsian
Isn't the Wii now accepted by "Gamers"?
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#10 WilliamRLBaker
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No...but then again neither can the move.

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#11 deangallop
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They should have prevented this image from spreading in the first place. One good hardcore game at launch would have done the trick, the should have held back on it until next year's holidays. They could have pleased the casuals and the hardcore, could have made sure the hardware and UI was perfect. coulda.woulda.shoulda.

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#12 Ilikemyname420
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Only hardcore gamers would consider it 'garbage' and it was never aimed at hardcore gamers.....So why would they want to escape it's casual image when that is the bloody target market?

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#13 deangallop
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Only hardcore gamers would consider it 'garbage' and it was never aimed at hardcore gamers.....So why would they want to escape it's casual image when that is the bloody target market?

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They're going to want to escape it's current image when they realize their current target audience will buy maybe 2 games a year and then hide the thing in the closet.
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#14 15strong
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This is what I think of Kinect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EChySioxJ6Q

Skip to 2:45

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#15 R3FURBISHED
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Why is it written "Casual Garbage"? What is that?
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#16 SakusEnvoy
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Not on System Wars. Its image is very good with lay people, though.

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#17 Ilikemyname420
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[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"]

Only hardcore gamers would consider it 'garbage' and it was never aimed at hardcore gamers.....So why would they want to escape it's casual image when that is the bloody target market?

deangallop
They're going to want to escape it's current image when they realize their current target audience will buy maybe 2 games a year and then hide the thing in the closet.

They won't want to escape it when soccer moms buy Your Shape 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 etc.
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#18 deangallop
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[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"]

Only hardcore gamers would consider it 'garbage' and it was never aimed at hardcore gamers.....So why would they want to escape it's casual image when that is the bloody target market?

Ilikemyname420

They're going to want to escape it's current image when they realize their current target audience will buy maybe 2 games a year and then hide the thing in the closet.

They won't want to escape it when soccer moms buy Your Shape 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 etc.

They don't do that with the wii, some games like just dance and wii fit will become hits because of word of mouth, I don't think soccer mom will be playing kinect all that often.

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#19 Ilikemyname420
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[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"][QUOTE="deangallop"] They're going to want to escape it's current image when they realize their current target audience will buy maybe 2 games a year and then hide the thing in the closet.

They won't want to escape it when soccer moms buy Your Shape 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 etc.

They don't do that with the wii, some games like just dance will become hits because of word of mouth, I don't think soccer mom will be playing kinect all that often.

Wii fit plus sold over 15 million copies....
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#20 hippiesanta
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since that soccermon show oprah promoting kinect, I got disturbing nightmare. Kinect + Oprah = K.O
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#21 GojiMaster
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I have only played Kinect Sports and Dance Central, but from those 2 games I am not convinced that Kinect has ability to transform hardcore games.


Kinect Sports is really hard to control, much harder than Move or Wii. I can't see Kinect ever being able to track precise, pinpoint movements in this generation-- maybe with future refinements in the next generation.

Eventually the public will see through all the casual trash games being released and Kinect will have the same shovelware problem the Wii does. Kinect doesn't have the luxury of having the best 1st party publisher in the world, Nintendo, to support their line-up.

Kinect may have sold a few million units so far, but that isn't enough to convince many 3rd party publishers like Activision to throw major title investment at Kinect. I think the Kinect gimmick will wear off if they don't get a killer ap soon. Wii has had many killer aps to keep it going, but Kinect will have a much harder time since Microsoft is not writing its own software.

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#22 OneLazyAsian
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[QUOTE="OneLazyAsian"]

Change "Kinect" to "Motion Controls" and it would be more accurate. And, nope, I don't think so. The stigma is there. It would take like a hundred AAA+ games before that will go away.

Michael324

Isn't the Wii now accepted by "Gamers"?

Define "gamers."

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#23 1PMrFister
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Never in a million years, as far as the elitist gamers are concerned.

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#24 bobcheeseball
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Why would it want to escape the image its been trying to establish since Day 1? :?
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#25 Raymundo_Manuel
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Why should it need to?

The people who gave it the "casual garbage" image are the people who'd have never played it in the first place

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#26 Deathtransit
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I don't see how if you can't play action or shooting games with it. At least you can with Move.
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#27 Keiji993
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No...but then again neither can the move.

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So your going to ignore all the games Move can play right now and the upcoming core/core supported lineup? Even when you say you hate motion controls you have to bring down Sony's product, can't admit Move does it right lol.
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#28 CongressManStan
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No not at all, the fact that there is no real controls holds it back.
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#29 Gue1
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No...but then again neither can the move.

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Move can because it has buttons! Haven't you heard about Killzone 3 MOVE support? That's more hard-core than the entire library of Kinect games combine including future releases. MAG has MOVE support too BTW, and many other core games will too...

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#30 kyacat
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What wrong with casual games? like or not both kinect ps move are here for a while and will casual games for it
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#31 thom_maytees
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Why are we treating casual and grabage as if its a truth in itself?

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I am getting tired of this type of rhetoric expoused by "bro" gamers. It is their holier-than-thou attitude that is hurting the image of gamers, not the "causual" gamers.
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#32 Nonstop-Madness
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yes but maybe in 6 - 12 months at best.
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#33 SacredMG
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Of course, it has 15+ hardcore games for 2011 and no casual ones

Also peopel that have Kinect love it and dont consider its games garbage, even if are on the casual side

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#34 johny300
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Of course, it has 15+ hardcore games for 2011 and no casual ones

Also peopel that have Kinect love it and dont consider its games garbage, even if are on the casual side

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And what are those games?
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#35 SPBoss
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You can't be hardcore when playing with kinect :S Its not a viable control scheme for competitive hardcore games
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#36 hkymike
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Kinect = Fail
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#37 kyacat
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Kinect = Failhkymike
Kinect doing fine for new gamers
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#38 savebattery
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Codename D Project Draco Haunt Rise of Nightmares Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor Child of Eden Forza 4 I know that those games use Kinect to different degrees, but those are the ones that most hardcore gamers are watching at this point. If most of them pan out, then Kinect may see more titles aimed at a "core" audience. If not, then you're probably just looking at more dance/fitness/sports/racing games.
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#39 Ultratechfan
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Kinect = Failhkymike

No actually nothing fail about Kinect.

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#40 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="Keiji993"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

No...but then again neither can the move.

So your going to ignore all the games Move can play right now and the upcoming core/core supported lineup? Even when you say you hate motion controls you have to bring down Sony's product, can't admit Move does it right lol.

they dont do it right they do it half assed, tagged on. Nearly every game that could be considered even remotely hardcore its been tacked on to the original gameplay not with the game created specifically for the move and when its tacked on the controller works better, hell even when its not tacked on and the game is made for it a controller would work better. Motion sensing is only capable of casual trash in my opinion, Kinect, Move, Wii. Until we get true 1:1 motion sensing with pure tactile feedback it will always be that way. P.S: your on system wars, if you dont like it then leave it Keiji how about you debate the topic at hand instead of debate the concept and method by which people work within system wars...Its filled with fanboys.
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#41 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="Gue1"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

No...but then again neither can the move.

Move can because it has buttons! Haven't you heard about Killzone 3 MOVE support? That's more hard-core than the entire library of Kinect games combine including future releases. MAG has MOVE support too BTW, and many other core games will too...

all of which would work faster, better and more accurate with a controller.
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#42 lhughey
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we're the only ones that think it stinks. Everyone else thinks its great.
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#43 kungfuchaos
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As long as they dont force it into EVERY GAME like Nintendo did I think Kinect will be fine. The biggest mistake that MS can make with Kinect is to flood its library with hundreds of party game shovelware. The controler-less realm of gaming has so many possibilities but the games need to be more than party titles.

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#44 Thunderdrone
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I thought it just came out, how can it already have a "casual garbage image"?
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#45 PAL360
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Maybe, if it gets some good core games.

Tracking head as a complement for shooters could be a good start.

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#46 PAL360
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[QUOTE="Michael324"][QUOTE="OneLazyAsian"]

Change "Kinect" to "Motion Controls" and it would be more accurate. And, nope, I don't think so. The stigma is there. It would take like a hundred AAA+ games before that will go away.

OneLazyAsian

Isn't the Wii now accepted by "Gamers"?

Define "gamers."

I consider myself a gamer and i like the Wii. Still, i would never have it as my primart system.

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#47 racing1750
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I don't see it. Kinect is selling well. MS will try to keep the casuals happy.
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#48 FeedOnATreeFrog
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Why does it have to escape the casual image?

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#49 SecretPolice
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Casual is just fine and dandy as that what it's currently aimed at but the G word me thinks needs to be Moved and not Kinected. :twisted:

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#50 lhughey
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I really think MS has watched what happened to the Wii and will try to avoid the same fate. Plus M$ has better and more active 3rd party developers, so I would expect them to be able to have better quality wares.