Can a copycat game become a Killer App? No

Recently, ps3 fans talk about nothing but killzone 2 lately. And the reason is simple, ps3 haven't really got a true killer app they can boast about. So, they are trying to prove how killzone 2 is the best there is.

I have read a lot of reviews about killzone 2. Im sure most of you here have read them as well. Onething you will notice that all the reviewers say this game is derivative. Its gameplay, art styyle story everything is similar to the previous big shooters. In a word it follows cliches very well.

alien invasion? check
grim environment? check
bulky looking, man of few words cliched marine as hero? check
contemporary weapons in so far in the future? check
cover system? check

It even follows the short singleplayer/ lot of multiplayer rule of fps games lately. Clearly sony created this game as a "Bigger/better" answer to gears of war/ halo games. One review article even said this game is a gears of war clone. and after reading the similarities thearticle mentioned, it does feel writer is right. Those who have played this game have felt for atleast once.."hey, this was in game x right?"

No doubt its a really really good game. Its the best looking, fun to play etc...all the critics say that. But is there a single game in the history of gaming, that brought nothing new and innovative yet became a very popular or "killer app"? NO

All the games derive somethings from earlier games, thats obvious. But killergames are those that bring something new. Doom made fps mainstream. half life took it to the next level. Halo 1 literally created console fps...so many games like gears, resistance, killzone follows its alien sci-fi, 2 gun at a time, some vehicle rule. halo 2 made online console gaming mainstream. Every console fps derived from halo multiplayer. Metal gear solid blended movies and gaming, GTA created sandbox genre, gears of war made cover system mainstream. Now even GTA and 50 cent game has cover system. Even halo 3 brought forge and saved films.
Every single great game that comes in your mind brought something new. What does killzone 2 bring? NOTHING

So, its fate will be just like many other derivative games. Look at crysis. maybe all pc fans talk about crysis. Its amaizing looking game and plays well too. But it didn't sell that well, neither is it a killer app. Because its similar to far cry in many ways. It brought nothing new. ultimately its just a good game not great.

Killzone 2 is already slipping is sales and actually got beaten by a PC RTS. ps3 fans are probably boasting abt it so much but what is the view of general public about this game? Its a very good looking game and all. But it plays like say halo or gears or even resistance 2. After seeing this game many ps3 users (apart from fan boys) will feel I already have COD or resistance. Why buy the same game that just looks better?

A copycat game can never be a killer app. It can never be really popular. It has to bring atleast something new. otherwize it will go into oblivion.

ummm Gears of War came out AFTER the first Killzone

Research is fun, k?

In b4 the stampeding flaming herd.

ummm Gears of War came out AFTER the first Killzone

Research is fun, k?

chutup

And I'll ask this again, what exactly did Gears bring to the table that was new?

man system wars is so effing pointless

EDIT:

by your arguement every shooter has to be completely original to those before it, that my friend is effing impossible.

We must give credit to haters they sure gave out their best (still do) to somehow dimish the greatness that Killzone2 managed to achieve...

Just let it go haters, you got owned, KZ2 did deliver upon expectations, it is the best looking title currently available on consoles, it has a good sp campaing, solid gameplay and awesome mp...

Just for the record theHelghast are not aliens....

[QUOTE="chutup"]

ummm Gears of War came out AFTER the first Killzone

Research is fun, k?

Chutebox

And I'll ask this again, what exactly did Gears bring to the table that was new?

Man, Lionheart08's 5 steps to getting Killzowned is further coming to fruition :D.Episode_Eve

[QUOTE="chutup"] This, also there is no alien invasion...Unless you consider ISA the aliens.

And I'll ask this again, what exactly did Gears bring to the table that was new?

Chutebox

man system wars is so effing pointless

EDIT:

by your arguement every shooter has to be completely original to those before it, that my friend is effing impossible.

adizorz

We must give credit to haters they sure gave out their best (still do) to somehow dimish the greatness that Killzone2 managed to achieve...

Just let it go haters, you got owned, KZ2 did deliver upon expectations, it is the best looking title currently available on consoles, it has a good sp campaing, solid gameplay and awesome mp...

Just for the record theHelghast are not aliens....

Malta_1980

But cover shooting isn't original from Gears, so that kind of defeats your whole thread.

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[QUOTE="chutup"]

ummm Gears of War came out AFTER the first Killzone

Research is fun, k?

AAllxxjjnn

And I'll ask this again, what exactly did Gears bring to the table that was new?

But cover shooting isn't original from Gears, so that kind of defeats your whole thread.

Chutebox

I think we can declare iqbalo_cool officially owned, and can draw this thread to a close, unless you wish to continue to beat him while he's down...

king_bobo

No doubt, happened pretty damn fast too.

But cover shooting isn't original from Gears, so that kind of defeats your whole thread.

Chutebox

Hey, KZ2 is it's own game. Play mechanics and visuals included. The only thing similar to CoD an R2 is that you can aim down iron sights. And GG even have a different take on that.Episode_Eve

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]Hey, KZ2 is it's own game. Play mechanics and visuals included. The only thing similar to CoD an R2 is that you can aim down iron sights. And GG even have a different take on that.iqbalo_cool

did I ever say cover shooting is original from gears? read my post again. I said it brought cover system to the mainstream. and even you can't deny that. only after gears do we many games have cover systems.iqbalo_cool

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]Hey, KZ2 is it's own game. Play mechanics and visuals included. The only thing similar to CoD an R2 is that you can aim down iron sights. And GG even have a different take on that.iqbalo_cool

Gotta make up your mind man.

Tell me since you obviously only care for completely original titles, what does your library look like?

AND you obviously have no clue about KZ2 judging by your checklist.

And Gears is a walking + shooting and cover mod for RE4. :shock:

[QUOTE="iqbalo_cool"] I have a question to all killzone 2 fans. tell me what is new in killzone 2 that is not in any other game? IronBass

Innovation is overrated. Gears stole from RE4.

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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="iqbalo_cool"] I have a question to all killzone 2 fans. tell me what is new in killzone 2 that is not in any other game? Aljosa23

Innovation is overrated. Gears stole from RE4.

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KZ2 does that. ;)

Halo was a copycat as much as KZ2 is and Halo is pretty much the very definition of "killer app"

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]Hey, KZ2 is it's own game. Play mechanics and visuals included. The only thing similar to CoD an R2 is that you can aim down iron sights. And GG even have a different take on that.iqbalo_cool

I think you haven't read my post well. I said all games derive from previous games but they also bring something new. Halo or half life wasn't totally original. You can say they derived from doom. But still they derived and also added new things. Thats why they are great. Im not saying a game has to be totally original to become great. But atleast it needs to bring something original to its context. [/QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

ah sorry i must have misinterpreted your words.

i think the physics are pretty innovative and it actually develops into a game mechanics, like those gas cylinders lying on the floor, especially the tall narrow ones, if one of them is lying in the direction of the enemy i shoot it at the bottom, it creates a hole and creates a propulsion that rockets it to the enemy and BOOM goes the helghast, i thought that was pretty innovative. Also i think the pacing of the game generally helps the shooters on consoles i mean we can atleast agree that ggame controllers are **** for first person shooters, but since killzone is slower paced you don't really notice as much as you do in other, faster paced games like call of duty 4, and that helps the player be immersed in the game, albiet the story definitley brings you back to reality, not to mention the obviously american targeted voice acting(which is terrible, mainly the script actually and direction not really the voice actors fault), why do people think that all american's are fratboys?(i am Australian btw but even i can see the truth).

This game is all about immersion, thats why reviewers were saying that "well it doesn't bring anything really but damn if it isn't an experience". They were immersed in the planet of the helghast it felt like a total war, twas epic.

Just thinking about your title wasn't halo 3 a copycat game of the previous halo games, you say hey but its a sequel its meant to be the same thing sorta, but then you agree that you actually wanted the same thing, so whats wrong with a copy cat game if it gives you what you desire, i mean as long as it is well made what is the big deal if it is a copy cat game, sure it stands in the way of innovation but generally so does the entire fps genre stand in the way of its own innovation by trying to emulate the succes of previously succesful games, killzone 2 tried that with TF2 halo3 and call of duty 4, and on some notes suceeded.(nobody is stupid enough to copy half life 2, they know they will fail, *cough*bioshock...*cough*).

Really only crytek and valve actually bring innovation to this age in terms of first person shooters everything else is just a fratboy's casual chillout session and there is nothing wrong with that except when they call it 'core'.

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[QUOTE="iqbalo_cool"][QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]Hey, KZ2 is it's own game. Play mechanics and visuals included. The only thing similar to CoD an R2 is that you can aim down iron sights. And GG even have a different take on that.Chutebox

Gotta make up your mind man.

Tell me since you obviously only care for completely original titles, what does your library look like?

I play games that are not great as well. But this debate is not whether killzone 2 is a really really good game or whether it has the best graphics and all. I say it has the best graphics, it is very fun to play. and im sure many people will like it. But the way ps3 fans are saying it is a killer game....that is my objection. It is a very good game. The best looking game now. But it is not a Killer game like gears or halo or gta was. and soon ps3 fans will get a better game like say resistance 3. and people will forget this game. but people can still play half life 1 and find it good. thats the difference between very good games and killer games.iqbalo_cool

So you're saying people still play Gears 1(maybe), Halo 1, and the first GTA? Really?

To me, the bolded is what makes a killer game...

I play games that are not great as well. But this debate is not whether killzone 2 is a really really good game or whether it has the best graphics and all. I say it has the best graphics, it is very fun to play. and im sure many people will like it. But the way ps3 fans are saying it is a killer game....that is my objection. It is a very good game. The best looking game now. But it is not a Killer game like gears or halo or gta was. and soon ps3 fans will get a better game like say resistance 3. and people will forget this game. but people can still play half life 1 and find it good. thats the difference between very good games and killer games.iqbalo_cool

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[QUOTE="iqbalo_cool"] I have a question to all killzone 2 fans. tell me what is new in killzone 2 that is not in any other game? no...I don't think u can answer that. i narrow it down further. What is new in killzone 2 that is not in any other console game? No you won't be able to answer that as well. What is new in killzone 2 that is not in any other ps3 game? Can you find even that? I doubt it. Just tell me as a general ps3 user not a fan. Why should I buy this game if I already have say, resistance 2. I think the experience is the same.iqbalo_cool

Gotta make up your mind man.

Tell me since you obviously only care for completely original titles, what does your library look like?

i suppose in your argument you are using other fps titles as to show your point abouot killer and very good games, but i dunno it kinda feels like thats all there is out there. Are you using shooters cause you only like shooter or is that you are preventing an offtopic discussion about another genre of gaming on either consoles or pc or whatever?

edit: please form a rebuttle to my other post above about the main topic seems like you kinda skipped it.

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[QUOTE="iqbalo_cool"] I have a question to all killzone 2 fans. tell me what is new in killzone 2 that is not in any other game? no...I don't think u can answer that. i narrow it down further. What is new in killzone 2 that is not in any other console game? No you won't be able to answer that as well. What is new in killzone 2 that is not in any other ps3 game? Can you find even that? I doubt it. Just tell me as a general ps3 user not a fan. Why should I buy this game if I already have say, resistance 2. I think the experience is the same.iqbalo_cool

Gotta make up your mind man.

Tell me since you obviously only care for completely original titles, what does your library look like?

This is copycat , not KZ2

This is copycat , not KZ2

agff9

[QUOTE="iqbalo_cool"] I play games that are not great as well. But this debate is not whether killzone 2 is a really really good game or whether it has the best graphics and all. I say it has the best graphics, it is very fun to play. and im sure many people will like it. But the way ps3 fans are saying it is a killer game....that is my objection. It is a very good game. The best looking game now. But it is not a Killer game like gears or halo or gta was. and soon ps3 fans will get a better game like say resistance 3. and people will forget this game. but people can still play half life 1 and find it good. thats the difference between very good games and killer games.Chutebox

So you're saying people still play Gears 1(maybe), Halo 1, and the first GTA? Really?

To me, the bolded is what makes a killer game...

[QUOTE="agff9"]

This is copycat , not KZ2

Chutebox

TC fails. Goldeneye 'invented' console FPS and it had an awesome multiplayer(albeit not online) capability.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="iqbalo_cool"] I play games that are not great as well. But this debate is not whether killzone 2 is a really really good game or whether it has the best graphics and all. I say it has the best graphics, it is very fun to play. and im sure many people will like it. But the way ps3 fans are saying it is a killer game....that is my objection. It is a very good game. The best looking game now. But it is not a Killer game like gears or halo or gta was. and soon ps3 fans will get a better game like say resistance 3. and people will forget this game. but people can still play half life 1 and find it good. thats the difference between very good games and killer games.iqbalo_cool

So you're saying people still play Gears 1(maybe), Halo 1, and the first GTA? Really?

To me, the bolded is what makes a killer game...

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="agff9"]

This is copycat , not KZ2

Episode_Eve

TC fails. Goldeneye invented console FPS and it had an awesome multiplayer(albeit not online) capability.

lordxymor

dude it was the late 90s most people were on dial up. PAINTBALL MODE!!!!

greatest shooter ever only had one analog stick how spoilt as gamers have we become, for shame. FPS don't compare to the good old days, there weren't prepubescent kids swearing their heads of like sailors around.

"you wanna fight huh you wanna fight" "yer i will giht you here i will give u my adress" "yer you give me your adress you **** i'll come beath the **** out of you" " ok heres my adress, !@#*%)#&)#&)%&#$_5-325-3!)&*(%, come beat me up you little dip****" " .... YOUR A ****GOT" MASTER_HALO has gone offline...

hello are you gonna respoind to people's arguements or did u just have a fit after seeing the doomed failure that is the xbox360

lol flame bait to revive the thread.

This is copycat , not KZ2

agff9

One is Killzone(2004)

One is The Red Spectacles(1987)

Killzone 2 is the only game that delivered on this enormous amount of hype this generation.mezzo20

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What was that?

AAllxxjjnn

Where does the toy come from?

[QUOTE="iqbalo_cool"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] lolz....if you really think that then................... There are thousands of awsome games out there. They are good.....very very good. But why they don't make it to the list of best rated games of all time or list of best selling games of all time? You have your answer [QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="agff9"]

This is copycat , not KZ2

adizorz

Yes. I have said the same thing. But killer games derive or copy from previous games and add somethings that completely new or wasn't available on that platform. As some are saying gears copied from RE 4 and all. But no game before gears made cover system such an important part of combat. So, thats new abt gears. As some people here said halo 3 has copied. I also say halo 3 has copied. But still it brings saved films and forge. forge is not new as garry's mod does the same on HL2. But No console game has it and has it such a big seamless way. So thats original abt halo 3. Even GTA 4 is nothing new. But why is got so many perfect 10s? It created a world that is more real than anything in video games. I mean it even has spam MAILS!! its these simple things that make great games. No game can be totally original. But these simple originalities make the difference

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

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What was that?

IronBass

Where does the toy come from?

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What was that?

AAllxxjjnn

Where does the toy come from?