CAMPERS DESERVE SOME RESPECT......at least SOME, maybe?!

INTRO TO MY ARGUMENT: (May God Have Mercy On My Soul! haha)

Now, i will first stress that im not a camper. I am your "run around crazy and hope for the best" kind of guy. Campers frustrate me as much as the next guy, but after thinking about it, i could not help but laugh at why we hate campers. Let us have a philosophical look at psychological matter of camping, shall we?

We all Hate Campers, RIGHT?:

So just think about what we hate about camping. We hate that campers basically cheat, find an easy way to just shoot at whatever passes by their hiding spot. We hate how hard it is to kill campers, since often their hiding spots are very hard to attack without getting killed first. We think of it as a cheap way to rack up kills.

MAYBE WE HATE CAMPERS CUS WE ARE CRY BABIES! EVER THINK ABOUT IT?:

So, why is this ironic? The funny thing is I honestly think camping is a strategy. Think about it, the camper is choosing a strategic spot to win the game the best, a spot that is the most efficient way to earn kills and keeps one less vulnerable to getting killed, and we get mad at the player because we say "HEY THATS NO FAIR! HOW DARE YOU CHOOSE A STRATEGIC PLACE TO KILL ME THAT MAKES ME NEED STRATEGY IN RETURN IN ORDER TO KILL YOU!!! HOW DARE YOU NOT RUN AROUND LIKE CRAZY LIKE THE REST OF US, LEAVING YOUR BODY EXPOSED TO ATTACK ON ALL SIDES!! YOU ARE A JERK!!!"...... lets be honest, we hate campers because their camping WORKS! CAMPING WORKS!! Logically, its technically the best way to win in online matches. We hate camping because it is inconvenient to those that do not want to use strategy and would rather go nuts and be trigger happy. It is not that camping is bad. In reality, it is that camping does not fit the idea of the ideal online shooter environment to the majority of online players. Campers make online shooters HARDER!

CONCLUSION TO THIS CRAZY POST?:

We still all hate campers, but its just funny when you realize why you hate them. You will probably argue that camping needsno brains. So, apparently being otherwise DOES need brains? But, honestly, what do you think soldiers do in real war?! You think they just run like crazy like most of you do?! Campers are more like real soldiers than the rest of us! Now, dont you think im saying everyone should be a camper now! An online game is not fun without at least SOME easy kills!

TAKE IT EASY ON ME PLEASE HAHA....I LIKE TO HAVE INTELLIGENT TALKS, NOT START TROUBLE HAHA, DO YOU GUYS FIND WHAT I SAID SOMEWHAT TRUE ? I RESPECT UR OPINIONS

i'd hate to see you play arma with that attitude.

I do hate campers.... but I also consider them noobs :P since I'm way better than them, and I dont need to camp to beat them.

never really bothered me, i just grenade spam them out of hiding.HailCaesarHail

never really bothered me, i just grenade spam them out of hiding.HailCaesarHail

Camping is boring. It's not like there's any penalty to dying outside of K/D ratio, so I like when people just say "To hell with it" and do something crazy.

That's why Halo's my go to game for online entertainment. I feel like Halo's style of gameplay (Sans Snipers, and SWAT on Hemmorage among other things) promotes experimenting and lots of movement.

Also, camping is easy. I knew a trio of girls that had hardly ever touched a shooter that played MW last year. Camping Galore - though to be fair they couldn't quite get the concept of moving and aiming at the same time :P

Camping is a legitmate tactic do you actually think they don't use that tactic in real war? Its all a matter if you have the skill to beat campers.

now yes it is annoying when an entire team does it and yes that might be a little crappy but when a single individual does it then its a legitimate tactic.

Camping is a legitmate tactic do you actually think they don't use that tactic in real war? Its all a matter if you have the skill to beat campers.

now yes it is annoying when an entire team does it and yes that might be a little crappy but when a single individual does it then its a legitimate tactic.

Camping is a legitmate tactic do you actually think they don't use that tactic in real war? Its all a matter if you have the skill to beat campers.

now yes it is annoying when an entire team does it and yes that might be a little crappy but when a single individual does it then its a legitimate tactic.

WilliamRLBaker

The problem I have with this line of reasoning is in real war, the penalty for not camping is a permanent death.

The way I see it - these are games. Pretty lenient games at that - the biggest punishment being you sit out to the next round. Most times dying in shooters is a slap on the wrist - a time out. So - since the punishment for death is so lenient, don't cower in the corner like you're entire existence depends on you getting the best K/D spread in the match. Go out there and take a chance with it.

I rpg campers but I get called a noob.

Camping is a legitmate tactic do you actually think they don't use that tactic in real war? Its all a matter if you have the skill to beat campers.

now yes it is annoying when an entire team does it and yes that might be a little crappy but when a single individual does it then its a legitimate tactic.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Camping is a legitmate tactic do you actually think they don't use that tactic in real war? Its all a matter if you have the skill to beat campers.

now yes it is annoying when an entire team does it and yes that might be a little crappy but when a single individual does it then its a legitimate tactic.

Kickinurass

The problem I have with this line of reasoning is in real war, the penalty for not camping is a permanent death.

The way I see it - these are games. Pretty lenient games at that - the biggest punishment being you sit out to the next round. Most times dying in shooters is a slap on the wrist - a time out. So - since the punishment for death is so lenient, don't cower in the corner like you're entire existence depends on you getting the best K/D spread in the match. Go out there and take a chance with it.

basically campers get hated because sitting still and shooting run by is easy. too easy. if you did it, you would probably always do amazing. if everyone did it, a game would never end (except by time limit) because nobody ever moves. Its cowardly, its pathetic, and to a normal person, its just not fun. Now i must wonder if you are refering to any games specifically when you made this argument (like call of duty). i don't camp in it and I can't camp. I'm like a shark. I have to keep moving. Guess what? I still destroy campers. i'd say that about 80% actually suck and really too much on thinking it'll be as easy as shooting me as soon as I come into view. But its not. It takes someof skill to beat a camper without flanking them, but anyone can do it. And it is very delightful to see them rage quit when they die one kill short of getting that killstreak they wanted. meanwhile, thanks to an r/c car, they have no place to hide unless they can actually aim. Unless the game is a total war simulator, camping is just a sad tactic used by people that would die too much if they did anything balzy or fun. That's their loss. In short, most campers suck. But you can beat them and it is sweet when you do.antifanboyftw

This thread needs more of this picture.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Camping is a legitmate tactic do you actually think they don't use that tactic in real war? Its all a matter if you have the skill to beat campers.

now yes it is annoying when an entire team does it and yes that might be a little crappy but when a single individual does it then its a legitimate tactic.

Kickinurass

The problem I have with this line of reasoning is in real war, the penalty for not camping is a permanent death.

The way I see it - these are games. Pretty lenient games at that - the biggest punishment being you sit out to the next round. Most times dying in shooters is a slap on the wrist - a time out. So - since the punishment for death is so lenient, don't cower in the corner like you're entire existence depends on you getting the best K/D spread in the match. Go out there and take a chance with it.

I've never had any problem with camping/campers. If someone's camping, chances are that there are specific places they can camp. If you know this and you can't flush them, then they're not the ones who are noobs. Additionally, some people just enjoy camping. It's why sniper rifles exist....what do you want them to do? Run around with a sniper rifle and shoot people at close range? Everyone enjoys playing a game differently. If you like to run and gun then do it the best you can. If you like to blend in some dark corner and wait for some unsuspecting prey to appear in your sight...then do that the best you can. The whole movement against campers is silly imo.verbalfilth

I don't really hate when my enemies is camping but I hate when my team camping. Like when you play Hardcore Mode Domination, Capture the Flag or Sabotage and all your teammates is camping and don't go get the objection but the worst part is they can't ever protect their own objection, they almost always get kill lol.DarkblueNinja

It depends on your gameplay style,game,map and current objective. Campers learn from experience that those with experiance hate campers ,those campers grow good to the online and soon repeat the same to those new to the game. Like a cycle.

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Camping takes no strategy. All a camper has to do is sit themselves somewhere and shoot if someone comes by.

I also couldn't care less if camping is a legit tactic in real life. Online multiplayer ain't real life.

Okay, so if camping deserves respect, let's make everyone in the match camp. Do you think anyone would get any kills at all?DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Okay, so if camping deserves respect, let's make everyone in the match camp. Do you think anyone would get any kills at all?alextherussian

Okay, so if camping deserves respect, let's make everyone in the match camp. Do you think anyone would get any kills at all?DragonfireXZ95

Okay, so if camping deserves respect, let's make everyone in the match camp. Do you think anyone would get any kills at all?DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Okay, so if camping deserves respect, let's make everyone in the match camp. Do you think anyone would get any kills at all?ms555

Camping takes no strategy. All a camper has to do is sit themselves somewhere and shoot if someone comes by.

I also couldn't care less if camping is a legit tactic in real life. Online multiplayer ain't real life.

Silverbond

Everything is strategy if you are running and shooting that doesn't take strategy because you wandering aimlessly all you have to do is keep walking towards the enemy.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Camping takes no strategy. All a camper has to do is sit themselves somewhere and shoot if someone comes by.

I also couldn't care less if camping is a legit tactic in real life. Online multiplayer ain't real life.

Nintendo_Ownes7

Everything is strategy if you are running and shooting that doesn't take strategy because you wandering aimlessly all you have to do is keep walking towards the enemy.

So instead of helping your teammates, you're running around for 5 minutes(unless you know the map) looking for a great place to pitch a tent?

That's strategy? Gee, I never would have guessed.

[QUOTE="ms555"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Okay, so if camping deserves respect, let's make everyone in the match camp. Do you think anyone would get any kills at all?DragonfireXZ95

Eh, I got no problem with people who camp, it's their game, they can play however they like. However, they are soft sissies and killing a camper is just a little :more satisfying. :pgetyeryayasout

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

[QUOTE="ms555"] do u read the text that comes after the topics title, or any posts after the topic? I said that would be terrible! The game would be really hard to get any kills. A game needs balance between campers and noncampers. Just like u can also say if nobody was a camper, that would also not be too fun cus then everybody would be running everywhere every second, and would also make the game very frustrating tooms555

Camping skill level = Zero.

Stand in one spot for the entire game with a shotgun and crouch down in a blind spot and kill anyone that passes by.

That takes so much skill. :roll:

yep, i gotta give you that one, sir. Overall, the camping "crisis" is pretty secluded to COD....once in a while, Halo can have some camping too, like that one guy with the sword waiting at the top of air vent.

Camping is a legitmate tactic do you actually think they don't use that tactic in real war? Its all a matter if you have the skill to beat campers.

now yes it is annoying when an entire team does it and yes that might be a little crappy but when a single individual does it then its a legitimate tactic.

WilliamRLBaker

Obviously if the Game has Last Man Standing Rules where you only have 1 life you are forced to camp.

:lol:

Camping is so hilarious at times especially when spawn killing. I remember in cod 1 i parked a jeep, with a mounted gun, right by axis spawning camp and just sprayed away.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Camping is a legitmate tactic do you actually think they don't use that tactic in real war? Its all a matter if you have the skill to beat campers.

now yes it is annoying when an entire team does it and yes that might be a little crappy but when a single individual does it then its a legitimate tactic.

WilliamRLBaker

The problem I have with this line of reasoning is in real war, the penalty for not camping is a permanent death.

The way I see it - these are games. Pretty lenient games at that - the biggest punishment being you sit out to the next round. Most times dying in shooters is a slap on the wrist - a time out. So - since the punishment for death is so lenient, don't cower in the corner like you're entire existence depends on you getting the best K/D spread in the match. Go out there and take a chance with it.

I recognize camping as a legitimate tactic. Objective game types or times when each player is only afforded one life make it necessary to camp. I don't even mind camping so long as you move occasionally and are actively progressing the game somehow. It's just most of the campers I've run into only do so in order to boost their stats.

The only thing I do not like about campers is when everyone is doing it. If a few people do it with skill I get that, but a game full of campers is incredibly boring to me. It can feel like there is nobody actually playing the game.

Camping is boring. It's not like there's any penalty to dying outside of K/D ratio, so I like when people just say "To hell with it" and do something crazy.

That's why Halo's my go to game for online entertainment. I feel like Halo's style of gameplay (Sans Snipers, and SWAT on Hemmorage among other things) promotes experimenting and lots of movement.

Also, camping is easy. I knew a trio of girls that had hardly ever touched a shooter that played MW last year. Camping Galore - though to be fair they couldn't quite get the concept of moving and aiming at the same time :P

Kickinurass

I remember in Halo 2 I would use the super bounce glitch and bounce myself to the roof of a tall building then snipe everyone.

It was so fun camping up there and pissing off 12 year old kids.

Camping skill level = Zero.

Stand in one spot for the entire game with a shotgun and crouch down in a blind spot and kill anyone that passes by.

That takes so much skill. :roll:

LegatoSkyheart

Then the camper deserves credit for being able to kill someone with mroe skill than him. It's pretty much like in real life. The whole skill argument doesn't fly in a real war. Although in our case, it's just a game, but i always stand by the philosophy that "Anything which works is worth doing." Even in fighting games, some people turtle, and some spam. The spammer probably has more move execution skill, but if you get beaten by someone who turtles, it means you're doing it wrong.

It's the emphasis on K/D ratios in so many games that promote the behavior, unfortunately.

It may be a legitimate tactic, but I find it incredibly boring to camp and incredibly annoying to be killed by a camper.

I don't mind campers as much as many people do.

That's the product of being a great counter sniper/camper. If they camp, I make them regret camping.