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#1  Edited By lundy86_4
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Link.

This is due to the Hearthstone winner championing HK. Acti have gone off the rails in recent days.

As a strictly gaming company, they should not dabble in this and should simply distance themselves via stating that they do not necessarily agree with the statements made.

Edit: In better news, an Aussie company offers to reimburse said individual of their winnings. Link.

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#2 dagubot
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BlizzCon should be interesting this year...lol.

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#3 onesiphorus
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I am surprised that not that many gamers and companies are outraged over this. Blizzard is just doing the bidding of the fascist Chinese government.

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#4  Edited By getyeryayasout
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Disgusted by Blizzard/Activizion.

I'll never buy one of their games again.

Edit: NBA can eat a bag of dicks, too.

South Park are the only ones handling things properly.

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#5 Ten_Pints
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Don't you guy have mobile phones and Chinese censorship?

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#7 jeezers
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@locus-solus said:

Lmao!! i'm stealing that one

Im happy i ended my wow sub before classic came out, thought about it for a second, yeah not worth it. Now after seeing blizzard kiss china's butt, i could care less what they do, they bend over backwards for China, diablo mobile was made for the Chinese, let them go pander to china and make lame mobile games, sell outs.

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#8 SaltSlasher
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I've gone ahead and uninstalled the 2 Activision Blizzard games I had, and uninstalled Blizz.net, and ready to delete my account, I imagine after Blizzcon, I'm gonna have zero reasons to have an account.

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#9 HitmanActual
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I miss the days when gaming was fun and simple...and companies were not such fucking scumbags.

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#10 VFighter
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Can somebody explain what's going on here?

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#11 freedomfreak
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@vfighter: China censorship reaches all the way into America.

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#12 Litchie
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Well, Blizzard has been asshats for a long time now. They just upgraded to disgusting assholes. I really really hope this boycott will be big.

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#13 I_P_Daily
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@lundy86_4 said:

Link.

This is due to the Hearthstone winner championing HK. Acti have gone off the rails in recent days.

As a strictly gaming company, they should not dabble in this and should simply distance themselves via stating that they do not necessarily agree with the statements made.

Edit: In better news, an Aussie company offers to reimburse said individual of their winnings. Link.

Uncool, unlike us Aussies who are very cool :)

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#14  Edited By KungfuKitten
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Ahahahaha Blizzard. WOW. This is in ways even more amazing than how Bethesda destroyed itself.

Bye Blizzard. I'll miss the old you.

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#15  Edited By locus-solus
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@vfighter said:

Can somebody explain what's going on here?

A professional hearthstone player in a interview put on a mask and said I stand with hong kong. his prize of 10k was revoked, he can't participate for at least a year if they even let him back guys replaceable. Also the two interviewers got fired and blizzard will no longer work with them. they ducked their heads under the table and it cut almost straight to commercial.

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#16 locus-solus
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Well, Blizzard has been asshats for a long time now. They just upgraded to disgusting assholes. I really really hope this boycott will be big.

China could be a multi-billion dollar market for Activision. the Boycott won't change anything unless the media get involved which it won't.

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#17 Gatygun
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@locus-solus:

And it could also be there graveyard.

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#18  Edited By madrocketeer
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Here's the thing... ...these platforms exist for gaming, not political opinions. Some viewers may be turned off by that, just as sports audiences often get turned off by displays of political demonstrations in sporting events. This is therefore a legitimate matter of commercial consideration and intended use of a privately owned and operated platform. Free speech is not immunity to the social consequences of that speech - both to the speaker and the owner of the platform of that speech. Blizzard are right to have rules and enforce them firmly, otherwise it just becomes a free-for-all for anyone to use the platform to spread any kind of political opinion.

A separate issue is the proportionality of enforcement. Personally, banning Blitzchung for an entire year and stripping him of his prize money does seem heavy-handed. Unfortunately, there is no industry-wide standard for enforcement and consequence for such actions, and therefore it is impossible to say for certain. It is therefore ultimately down to Blizzard's own discretion, as even they openly admitted, and I think they erred too much on the side of harshness here. It should be noted that the incident happened in Taiwan, which have their own free speech laws but is a disputed territory claimed by China, so that may have played into the harshness of the punishment.

Is there commercial consideration regarding access to the Chinese market at play here? Most definitely. The reality is that China is a gigantic gaming market, Activision Blizzard is a publicly traded company, and in the Friedmanian capitalist system that currently dominate the global economy, the interest of the shareholders is paramount - often to the expense of all other considerations. This is why it's much easier for, for example, Epic Games to take the supposed "high road," since they are privately owned despite being 40% owned by Tencent - though this has yet to be put to the test.

More troubling is the knee-jerk censorship that occurred in the subsequent American Collegiate tournament, which is clearly a sign of Chinese influence on issue of speech on private platform seeping across the Pacific. Blizzard have handled themselves poorly here, as they also have when they (or their Chinese local office) promised to "always respect and defend the pride of (China)," as if they assumed that nobody outside China would notice and/or be able to translate. They just made the situation worse.

As for the new information highlighted by the OP, I don't think that makes sense to be a deliberate action on Blizzard's part. These internet boycotts tend to fizzle with time, which would be Blizzard's first assumption, so it makes little sense to stand in their way, especially as any loss can be made up in gains in the Chinese market. The authentication server is probably stressed from elevated number of requests. Still, not great optics.

In summation: neither Blitzchung nor Blizzard are fundamentally in the wrong. Blitzchung exercised his right as a citizen of Hong Kong in accordance with Taiwanese law. Blizzard are also right to enforce some ground rules on their platform to stop it turning into a free-for-all. Unfortunately, Blizzard have been heavy-handed and indiscreet in their enforcement, and subsequent missteps have fanned the flames. No doubt, China's clout and willingness to use them aggressively has played into this mess, and it stems from the simple reality that China's gaming market is ginormous, and Activision Blizzard's first responsibility is to their shareholders, who just want more money and don't care about any of this stuff.

All in all, a fine mess of Blizzard's own making all round. As for me, I haven't bought a Blizzard game since the last StarCraft II expansion, so this doesn't affect me much. Won't be deleting my account, though - I'm staying neutral.

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@dagubot said:

BlizzCon should be interesting this year...lol.

Last year's was the best, where they unironically announced Diablo Immortal.

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#20 uninspiredcup
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How can such a huge company not be aware of the streisand effect?

Blizzard really does, almost consistently understate their audience.

I guess they're that use to getting their rose flavoured farts quaffed into the air they think their somehow above and beyond the streisand effect.

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#21 GoldenElementXL
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Lol at gamers boycotting.

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Everyone should be free.

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#24 FinalFighters
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i already uninstalled overwatch, deleted my account and uninstalled Blizz.net.

**** blizzard/activision

i wont be buying any of their games from here on out.

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#25  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@FinalFighters said:

i already uninstalled overwatch, deleted my account and uninstalled Blizz.net.

**** blizzard/activision

i wont be buying any of their games from here on out.

I admire your conviction.

Most people (myself included) won't feel motivated enough to do such a thing.

For Blizzard, this will not be "this is wrong", but "how can we change this to good PR".

Robocop correctly cast large conglomerate companies as the devil in it's bold reinterpretation of the Bible.

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#26  Edited By DaVillain-  Moderator
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Blizzard has chosen to support the murderers! And I'm getting away with murder because I still have my Blizz account.

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#27 FinalFighters
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@uninspiredcup said:
@FinalFighters said:

i already uninstalled overwatch, deleted my account and uninstalled Blizz.net.

**** blizzard/activision

i wont be buying any of their games from here on out.

I admire your conviction.

Most people (myself included) won't feel motivated enough to do such a thing.

For Blizzard, this will not be "this is wrong", but "how can we change this to good PR".

Robocop correctly cast large conglomerate companies as the devil in it's bold reinterpretation of the Bible.

Hey, you gotta take a stand somehow - Well this is my way, even if it has little to no effect.

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#28 mrbojangles25
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Well, that's unbridled capitalism to you; being subservient to a communist country for corporate interest.

I'm going to do the right thing here and just sit this one out. Blizzard might be a far cry from their glory days, but they are still a top game developer and, despite current affairs, are incredibly supportive of their games and community.

Going to give them the benefit of the doubt and think their servers were overloaded. They could handle it better but I don't imagine there's anything sinister going on here.

Ironically, people are still OK using the Tencent-Epic Game Store. Reminder: Tencent is a Chinese state-owned corporation...

...also reminder: Epic has decided to chime in saying they won't censor games because of China.

Bulllllllllllllllshit.

@davillain- said:

Blizzard has chosen to support the murderers! And I'm getting away with murder because I still have my Blizz account.

*gasp* you are murderer!!!!!

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Uncool, unlike us Aussies who are very cool :)

Except the spiders and snakes...CRIKEY M8!

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#30 Evil_Loli
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Wow, this really brings that entire South Park episode to light.

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#31  Edited By Vaasman
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You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

Blizzard has lost nearly all of it's senior staff and is instead being run at a nosedive into the ground by corporate interests and shareholders with no care for quality or the desires of their core audience. They, like Bioware, are a sad shell of their former selves, dead companies operated like Weekend at Bernies.

It doesn't surprise me after all the other crap they've been part of that they'd pull this kind of stunt.

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#32 Maroxad
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@uninspiredcup said:

How can such a huge company not be aware of the streisand effect?

Blizzard really does, almost consistently understate their audience.

I guess they're that use to getting their rose flavoured farts quaffed into the air they think their somehow above and beyond the streisand effect.

Because Blizzard doesnt care about Streisand effect.

This move isn't about politics in itself, it is about Capitalism and Sucking Up to one of their biggest markets.

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#33 VFighter
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@locus-solus: That's pretty f'd up on Blizzards part, cutting his interview short, yeah I get it. But banning him and taking his winnings away, can they actually do that? I mean is there some contract he signed that gives them the ok to do this sort of thing?

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#34 R-Gamer
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Haha these companies oppose Trump more then China. Looks like communist stick together.

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#35  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@Maroxad said:

Because Blizzard doesnt care about Streisand effect.

Don't you guys have phones?

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@onesiphorus said:

I am surprised that not that many gamers and companies are outraged over this. Blizzard is just doing the bidding of the fascist Chinese government.

The Chinese government is communist

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#37 FireEmblem_Man
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Here's an image that sums up Blizzard

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#38 onesiphorus
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@r-gamer said:

Haha these companies oppose Trump more then China. Looks like communist stick together.

The reason that communists stick together like glue is that they are mindless, souless robots that do the bidding of their overlords without question. The party above the individual.

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#39 lundy86_4
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@Gamerno6666:That GIF is amazing.

@onesiphorus:Reddit is actually heavily against Blizzard in this instance. People are meme'ing Xi as Winnie the Pooh (as usual,) but also Mei from Overwatch in anti-Chinese garb and such.

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#41  Edited By watercrack445
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It says something that China is more hated now than Russia, in the USA at least.

Well, at least China's ties to the gaming industry alarms both the political parties which is a good thing.

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#42 NathanDrakeSwag
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Typical hypocritical liberal company.

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#43  Edited By the_bi99man
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Yeah, Blizzard just went right past "washed up developer that doesn't make good games anymore", to "active participant in human rights atrocities and vocal supporter of genocidal regimes". Forget EA and Ubisoft, this is literally the worst thing that any video game company has ever done, by orders of magnitude. Activision/Blizzard should be shut down by the government, and their top executives arrested, charged with treason, and imprisoned for life.

So yeah, needless to say, I'm participating in the boycott. Uninstalled all blizzard and Activision games off my PC, threw away physical copies of ps4 games I had by them, and deleted my battlenet account, with a "reason for deleting" message that borders on a death threat. Shame, too. Early Blizzard games are the reason I'm a gamer. At least I can take solace in knowing that they're hardly even the same company anymore. So, it's not like the people who gave me Diablo 2 and Warcraft 3 are disgusting commie scum. Just their successors.

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@Heil68 said:
@i_p_daily said:

Uncool, unlike us Aussies who are very cool :)

Except the spiders and snakes...CRIKEY M8!

You forgot the crocs, oh and the very deadly drop bears.

Our motto is "Australia will harden you the **** up"

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#45 djoffer
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Ahh I am getting a sudden urge to play overwatch again! Also hilarious that every American suddenly think China is the new bad because their orange president says so..

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#46 npiet1
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@djoffer said:

Ahh I am getting a sudden urge to play overwatch again! Also hilarious that every American suddenly think China is the new bad because their orange president says so..

Lol wut? People have known China's bad for decades.

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#47 nintendoboy16
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Okay, I normally support Fight for the Future, mainly for their pro-Net Neutrality stance, but their handling on this is a joke. They slam Blizzard, yet cite Epic Games as a better stance, even though THEY are even more in Tencent's pocket.

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#48 madrocketeer
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@nintendoboy16:

Tim Sweeney publicly stated that Epic wouldn't ban players for expression of political beliefs. He claimed that as he's the controlling shareholder of a private company (i.e. not publicly traded, unlike Activision Blizzard), he has the final say on this, and he stated that while Epic is politically neutral, companies shouldn't decide what gamers can talk about.

Of course, again, that has yet to be put to the test.

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@madrocketeer: Tim Sweeney is the same guy that said Rocket League would never leave Steam, yet that still happened.

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#50 PurpleMan5000
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I haven't deleted my accounts because maintaining my accounts costs Blizzard money. I am never going to buy another product from that company, though. They could reverse course and they would still be dead to me.