B3D NG2 is 1120X585

B3D found ng2 is 1120X585(2xAA)

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?s=4880a94bad92e85b7a6f47e5de02c9fd&p=1168976&postcount=63

recently, other fake HD B3D discovered

Playstation 3

Grand Theft Auto IV = 1152x640 (no AA)

Haze (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)

Metal Gear 4 Online (beta) = 1024x768 (2xAA, temporal)

and ...... nowB3D began framerate analysis

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1160619#post1160619

Race Driver GRID (demo)

In-game tests
Basically the event is allowed to start, car accelerates full throttle until just before it hits scenery. Scenery is like-for-like, car AI introduces a variable here. But with two tests full of cars and AI in effect, it's a decent enough indication of performance cross-platform. Note that in Test5, there are no CPU cars as it's a drift challenge.

Test4- BMW Race Start, accelerate forwards
360: 30fps (v-locked)
PS3: 28.76fps (32.38% torn frames)

Test5- Nissan Silvia Race Start, accelerate forwards
360: 30fps (v-locked)
PS3: 30fps (18.07% torn frames)

Test6- Mustang Race, accelerate forwards
360: 30fps (v-locked)
PS3: 26.722fps (39.79% torn frames)

GTA IV Frame Rate Tests

Test1
Old 360: 31.990fps
Old PS3: 26.460fps
New 360: 31.627fps (3.77% torn frames)
New PS3: 26.504fps

Test2
Old 360: 28.624fps
Old PS3: 23.452fps
New 360: 29.233fps (4.26% torn frames)
New PS3: 23.989fps

Test3
Old 360: 35.252fps
Old PS3: 29.041fps
New 360: 35.662fps (2.37% torn frames)
New PS3: 29.523fps

Test4
Old 360: 26.076fps
Old PS3: 26.081fps
New 360: 26.015fps (6.07% torn frames)
New PS3: 25.803fps

Test5
Old 360: 26.712fps
Old PS3: 23.781fps
New 360: 26.507fps (4.9% torn frames)
New PS3: 23.781fps

Test6
Old 360: 33.798fps
Old PS3: 28.313fps
New 360: 33.713fps (2.35% torn frames)
New PS3: 28.313fps

I am impressed.

How in the world are these numbers worth anything is beyond me.

So that settles the 'which is more powerful' agruments. I win.Ilived

so, what's your conclusion?

we argue about a few frames now? :?

why even bring up mgs4 in there? thats the online and its still above 720p. its satisfactory.blues3531

true 720P is 1280X 720

already said ,there's no 1080P this gen.

what sony claimed 1080P 120fps is totally a lie.

So that settles the 'which is more powerful' agruments. I win.Ilived

no you don't the 360 wins

not surprised at how weak the consoles are.anshul89

But, bu, the PS3 is a supercomputer! :(

again. stop the 1080P nonsense people.. this gen machines are NOT up to the task.

well,personally,I can accept ninja gaiden 2 is 1120X585

consider many corpes and limbs on screen.

Wow so technically the PS3 is 00.9% better then the 360 PS3 fans should put this in there sig my console outperformed the 360 by 00.9% and I got .5 more fps then the 360 in games.

You know, there's a reason why Peter Moore said that 720p is going to be the sweet spot cronus233

not just peter moore.. lots of devs say this.

As long as the games run at a stable 60fps I could care less what resolution it is at. I'd rather play a lower-res butter-smooth experience then watch a high-res slideshow.foxhound_fox

I think you will start to care if the framerate hits 60 because of lower detail, AI, and just overall visual quality to go along with a lower resolution.

You know, when this site reported MGS4 and Haze's resolutions, Sony fans were quick to denounce this as the musings of a random forum poster. Now that it's bad news about a 360 title, where are they naysayers? Suddenly their word is good enough again?lowe0

well ,because none of the console is perfect.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]You know, when this site reported MGS4 and Haze's resolutions, Sony fans were quick to denounce this as the musings of a random forum poster. Now that it's bad news about a 360 title, where are they naysayers? Suddenly their word is good enough again?dd2005nian

well ,because none of the console is perfect.

I recall posts after each of those games claiming that Quaz wasn't accurate.lowe0

[QUOTE="dd2005nian"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]You know, when this site reported MGS4 and Haze's resolutions, Sony fans were quick to denounce this as the musings of a random forum poster. Now that it's bad news about a 360 title, where are they naysayers? Suddenly their word is good enough again?lowe0

well ,because none of the console is perfect.

lol so much for the HD generation.......i guess nintendo actually was smart enough to keep it at 480p and not give up false promisesgohan2710

No. Because those games still look better than all of the Wii games by a moon launch.Also when they are upscaled to 720p or 1080p they don't look like a jigsaw puzzle.

These games still look incredible and this is only the beginning.

lol so much for the HD generation.......i guess nintendo actually was smart enough to keep it at 480p and not give up false promisesgohan2710

Um why does it have to be all or nothing? 1120x585 is still twice as many pixals as 640x480 (max Wii resolution). Just because it doesnt match a standard TV resolution doesnt mean its not a huge improvement.

WTF. It was supposed to be locked 60fps 1080p. Even Sigma ran at a much higher res (like 1400x990 or something upscaled to 1080p) than that (585p). What the heck was with all Itagaki's bragging? Just another lazy dev after all...mbrockway

Sigma was 720p upscaled. (The 1080p res might have been something different but equivalent to 720p). Looks like non dissappearing bodies, bigger battles and better graphics required a resolution drop from Sigma. Or they could have been too lazy to implement tiling in their engine.

I think you will start to care if the framerate hits 60 because of lower detail, AI, and just overall visual quality to go along with a lower resolution.Jade_Monkey

[QUOTE="mbrockway"]WTF. It was supposed to be locked 60fps 1080p. Even Sigma ran at a much higher res (like 1400x990 or something upscaled to 1080p) than that (585p). What the heck was with all Itagaki's bragging? Just another lazy dev after all...TOAO_Cyrus1

Sigma was 720p upscaled. (The 1080p res might have been something different but equivalent to 720p). Looks like non dissappearing bodies, bigger battles and better graphics required a resolution drop from Sigma. Or they could have been too lazy to implement tiling in their engine.

Huh, yup Sigma was 720p. Must of mixed it up with RR 360's oddball res somehow. Thats still ridiculous for a 360 exclusive though from what most people consider to be a good (if prick-like) dev. I think he just pocketed the money, and dumped NGII assetts into the old NG:B XBOX engine. What did that game run at? I'm suprised MS let this slide.

WTF. It was supposed to be locked 60fps 1080p. Even Sigma ran at a much higher res (like 1400x990 or something upscaled to 1080p) than that (585p). What the heck was with all Itagaki's bragging? Just another lazy dev after all...mbrockway

I think it's pretty ignorant to call a developer lazy after all the long hours they spend just to make entertainment so that you can sit on your ass all day and play.

[QUOTE="mbrockway"]WTF. It was supposed to be locked 60fps 1080p. Even Sigma ran at a much higher res (like 1400x990 or something upscaled to 1080p) than that (585p). What the heck was with all Itagaki's bragging? Just another lazy dev after all...heretrix

I think it's pretty ignorant to call a developer lazy after all the long hours they spend just to make entertainment so that you can sit on your ass all day and play.

It looks like they dumped NGII assetts into the NGB engine without doing anything to take advantage of the 360. This was a BIG exclusive game that MS paid ALOT of money for, and Itagaki dumped rewarmed crap onto MS's lap expecting them to lap it up. NOW THAT IS ARROGANCE. ... Oh wait, you said ignorance. D@mnit.

Beyond 3D is a site dedicated for blind people, people who has eyes can see which game looks awful and which is not.

Enough with the nonsense people.

[QUOTE="mbrockway"]WTF. It was supposed to be locked 60fps 1080p. Even Sigma ran at a much higher res (like 1400x990 or something upscaled to 1080p) than that (585p). What the heck was with all Itagaki's bragging? Just another lazy dev after all...heretrix

I think it's pretty ignorant to call a developer lazy after all the long hours they spend just to make entertainment so that you can sit on your ass all day and play.

ROFL how naive can you be? If a game of this caliber was free I'd hang a portrait of the dev in my bedroom. Get real, they're doing it for themselves first, and for you a distant second.

That's really weird considering it barely looks better than NGS and that's running 1080p 60fps.Lazy_Boy88