Applying the logic that the PS3 won 2009 to the entire gen. (PS3 didn't win)

Things are never as black and white as they seem. There's room for interpretation. The handful of ps3 games just hit home with gamers it seems. There's passion there.

Whats with the spreadsheet talking ?

while ago there was some lemming who is telling me about his spreadsheet and now this thread?

I remember watching this spreadsheet this week where you compared exclusives.

I just want an explanation to all of this?

is this some kind of new ownage going on in the internet or am I missing something lol.

Whats with the spreadsheet talking ?

while ago there was some lemming who is telling me about his spreadsheet and now this thread?

I remember watching this spreadsheet this week where you compared exclusives.

I just want an explanation to all of this?

is this some kind of new ownage going on in the internet or am I missing something lol.

HAZE-Unit

I've always used the spreadsheet.
What do you mean "now this thread"? :(
I use the spreadsheet in most of my threads.
I have no explanation.
If it's new ownage I'm unaware of it.

This is the second time in, what... 48 hours or so, that you've tried to insert your definition of a "yearly winner" as the only way to define the silly category. So this is the second time I'll say the same thing:

The is no set standard for what, how, why people come up with their opinions as to who "Won" a given year. It isn 't in the SW rules, and everyone seems to have their own criteria. In fact, it's important to note, there is NO "Winning x numbers of years" category at all outlined in any official text about SW. So, your definition might work well for you, but no one else should feel compelled to agree. The general feeling when the question has come up before is that it's a bit of momentum, a dash of yearly sales, a glance at the tallies on the holy spreadsheet (with many seeming to look more closely at AAAs and up), and a whole heaping helping of personal opinion. General consensus is the only way the whole silly category has ever been decided, so while you're making a very concerted effort on this (apparently this is the first year it really bugged you...) it comes down to your opinion versus anyone else's opinion. Yours is every bit as valid as any other opinion, but it's not any better, and it Certainly isn't SW law.

I don't care who wins any popularity contest, personally. It's really not this big of a deal. People are gonna think what they want, no matter how hard you try to encourage them to think just like you.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Whats with the spreadsheet talking ?

while ago there was some lemming who is telling me about his spreadsheet and now this thread?

I remember watching this spreadsheet this week where you compared exclusives.

I just want an explanation to all of this?

is this some kind of new ownage going on in the internet or am I missing something lol.

Silverbond

I've always used the spreadsheet.
What do you mean "now this thread"? :(
I use the spreadsheet in most of my threads.
I have no explanation.
If it's new ownage I'm unaware of it.

I've got an explanation. It clears up a lot of arguements by giving proof when it comes to exclusives. You may say, "O, but I doesn't liek Uncharted 2 or Demon's Souls and teh Halo Wars is teh underatedd," but that doesn't change the fact that the Gamespot Spreadsheet pwns you in a factual arguement.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Whats with the spreadsheet talking ?

while ago there was some lemming who is telling me about his spreadsheet and now this thread?

I remember watching this spreadsheet this week where you compared exclusives.

I just want an explanation to all of this?

is this some kind of new ownage going on in the internet or am I missing something lol.

Silverbond

I've always used the spreadsheet.
What do you mean "now this thread"? :(
I use the spreadsheet in most of my threads.
I have no explanation.
If it's new ownage I'm unaware of it.

Im just wondering whats going on? nothing offensive meant bud.

But yeah whats this spreadsheet talk is all about? really.

Is this some kind of new meme or something?

I mean ok its your spreadsheet and I know that you are proud of it but it's your own spreadsheet, you don't have to show it to us everytimewe are discussing something:P

This is the second time in, what... 48 hours or so, that you've tried to insert your definition of a "yearly winner" as the only way to define the silly category. So this is the second time I'll say the same thing:

The is no set standard for what, how, why people come up with their opinions as to who "Won" a given year. It isn 't in the SW rules, and everyone seems to have their own criteria. In fact, it's important to note, there is NO "Winning x numbers of years" category at all outlined in any official text about SW. SO your definition might work well for you, but no one else should feel compelled to agree. The general feeling when the question has come up before is that it's a bit of momentum, a dash of yearly sales, a glance at the tallies on the holy spreadsheet (with many seeming to look more closely at AAAs and up), and a whole healing helping of personal opinion. General consensus is the only way the whole silly category has ever been decided, so while you're making a very concerted effort on this (apparently this is the first year it really bugged you...) it comes down to your opinion versus anyone else's opinion. Yours is every bit as valid as any other opinion, but it's not any better, and it Certainly isn't SW law.

I don't care who wins any popularity contest. personally. It's really not this big of a deal. People are gonna think what they want, no matter how hard you try to encourage them to think just like you.

santoron

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Whats with the spreadsheet talking ?

while ago there was some lemming who is telling me about his spreadsheet and now this thread?

I remember watching this spreadsheet this week where you compared exclusives.

I just want an explanation to all of this?

is this some kind of new ownage going on in the internet or am I missing something lol.

HAZE-Unit

I've always used the spreadsheet.
What do you mean "now this thread"? :(
I use the spreadsheet in most of my threads.
I have no explanation.
If it's new ownage I'm unaware of it.

Im just wondering whats going on? nothing offensive meant bud.

But yeah whats this spreadsheet talk is all about? really.

Is this some kind of new meme or something?

I mean ok its your spreadsheet and I know that you are proud of it but it's your own spreadsheet, you don't have to show it to us everytimewe are discussing something:P

But it's not just my spreadsheet. It's SW's spreadsheet. I'm just trying to share it. :)

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

I've always used the spreadsheet.
What do you mean "now this thread"? :(
I use the spreadsheet in most of my threads.
I have no explanation.
If it's new ownage I'm unaware of it.

Silverbond

Im just wondering whats going on? nothing offensive meant bud.

But yeah whats this spreadsheet talk is all about? really.

Is this some kind of new meme or something?

I mean ok its your spreadsheet and I know that you are proud of it but it's your own spreadsheet, you don't have to show it to us everytimewe are discussing something:P

But it's not just my spreadsheet. It's SW's spreadsheet. I'm just trying to share it. :)

And I thank you for sharing it, as it proves a lot of arguements incorrect.

And I thank you for sharing it, as it proves a lot of arguements incorrect.

Phoenix534

You're welcome. I just wish all of SW saw this spreadsheet.

Am I missing something?

According to that spreadsheet Ps3 has one more exclusive than 360 and around the same amount of AA...right?

Am I missing something?

According to that spreadsheet Ps3 has one more exclusive than 360 and around the same amount of AA...right?

Chutebox

Which has to do with......?

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

I've always used the spreadsheet.
What do you mean "now this thread"? :(
I use the spreadsheet in most of my threads.
I have no explanation.
If it's new ownage I'm unaware of it.

Silverbond

Im just wondering whats going on? nothing offensive meant bud.

But yeah whats this spreadsheet talk is all about? really.

Is this some kind of new meme or something?

I mean ok its your spreadsheet and I know that you are proud of it but it's your own spreadsheet, you don't have to show it to us everytimewe are discussing something:P

But it's not just my spreadsheet. It's SW's spreadsheet. I'm just trying to share it. :)

*scratches head*

SW's spreadsheet ? this is an official ownage for SW?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Am I missing something?

According to that spreadsheet Ps3 has one more exclusive than 360 and around the same amount of AA...right?

Silverbond

Which has to do with......?

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Why? Facts? Proof? No?

Then go find some. If you're right then I'll admit.

Phoenix534

• Shattered Horizon
• Torchlight
• Sims 3
• Empire: Total War(sorta)
• Tropico 3
• Machinarium
• King's Bounty: Armored Princess

Just to name a few.

*scratches head*

SW's spreadsheet ? this is an official ownage for SW?

HAZE-Unit

I'm confused. Sarcasm? Because that spreadsheet is in the official sticky...

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"] what are some good PC exclusives again? Drakes_Fortune

• Shattered Horizon
• Torchlight
• Sims 3
• Empire: Total War(sorta)
• Tropico 3
• Machinarium
• King's Bounty: Armored Princess

Just to name a few.

So RTS and Sim games don't count because you don't like them?

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

*scratches head*

SW's spreadsheet ? this is an official ownage for SW?

Silverbond

I'm confused. Sarcasm? Because that spreadsheet is in the official sticky...

Which explains why very few people have ever seen it.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"] what are some good PC exclusives again? Drakes_Fortune

• Shattered Horizon
• Torchlight
• Sims 3
• Empire: Total War(sorta)
• Tropico 3
• Machinarium
• King's Bounty: Armored Princess

Just to name a few.

I don't like RPG's, FPS's, Action/adventure games, sports games, fighting games and TPS's, so all consoles suck.

I would argue that the PS3 won 2009 even over the PC, looking at the numbers asyrian758 posted:

Ps3 has:

13 AAA

19 AA

PC has:

6 AAA

24 AA

but I agree that it certainly hasn't won the entire generation due to one good year, especially since it had such a poor start.

Ah I see, you're making a case for PC.

It has a **** load of AA but is lacking in AAA.

My "PCStation 360 3" ownz, rules, rocks, is wicked, etc forever no returns....Because I counted the number of games that migh have existed, divided by the games never played, times by the ratio square root of Gamespot scores.

Full stop cant respond.

These are the facts, well laid out and clear...

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

• Shattered Horizon
• Torchlight
• Sims 3
• Empire: Total War(sorta)
• Tropico 3
• Machinarium
• King's Bounty: Armored Princess

Just to name a few.

Phoenix534

So RTS and Sim games don't count because you don't like them?

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

*scratches head*

SW's spreadsheet ? this is an official ownage for SW?

Silverbond

I'm confused. Sarcasm? Because that spreadsheet is in the official sticky...

I was being serious :)

Really wow I didn't know about that, that's news to me thanks to the back to back spreadsheet talks today.

I guess Im not up to date till like this very moment lol.

To conclude: No. Here's why the PC doesn't win. The PC is inconvenient. It's just not worth it to play games on the PC when I can have just as much fun, and sometimes more fun, on my PS3. Or on my DS. Or on a trampoline. Things that don't require large amounts of effort to play with. Let's count the number of times I've needed to update the hardware in my PS3 sinse I bought it or the number of times I've needed to search for the latest driver for a game. Or how about the number of times my PS3 has said "**** you, I'm not playing that." just because the graphics hardware came from the wrong maker. I stopped PC gaming the moment I got my PS3 and I've never looked back. NeoMerlin

That's pretty much your argument. And, I say there are variables in usuability. But, aren't variables with my argument.

Oh, you have a PS3! Me too! :)
Seriously, I have a PS3. I don't game on my PC. People in SW should stop assuming crap all the time.

[QUOTE="NeoMerlin"]To conclude: No. Here's why the PC doesn't win. The PC is inconvenient. It's just not worth it to play games on the PC when I can have just as much fun, and sometimes more fun, on my PS3. Or on my DS. Or on a trampoline. Things that don't require large amounts of effort to play with. Let's count the number of times I've needed to update the hardware in my PS3 sinse I bought it or the number of times I've needed to search for the latest driver for a game. Or how about the number of times my PS3 has said "**** you, I'm not playing that." just because the graphics hardware came from the wrong maker. I stopped PC gaming the moment I got my PS3 and I've never looked back. Silverbond

That's pretty much your argument. And, I say there are variables in usuability. But, aren't variables with my argument.

Oh, you have a PS3! Me too! :)
Seriously, I have a PS3. I don't game on my PC. People in SW should stop assuming crap all the time.

And some of his arguements are bad. No game ever, adn I mean ever, needs a specific graphical hardware maker. Some companies do have preferences, like Valve and AMD, but you don't need an ATI card to play Valve games.

Exclusives are not the only things that matter. When comparting lineups, totals are what counts, not whether the games are exclusive or not. The PS3 has 7 more AAAs, 5 fewer AAs, and 1 more A. These are facts. The PS3 won.TheGrat1

Total libraries only count? Have you always used total libraries? Have you only used total libraries?

That's honestly the first time I've heard that. Perhaps it's because it suits your argument?

The only question you have to ask is...

"Does my system play Demons Souls"... There is your answer :p

[QUOTE="NeoMerlin"]To conclude: No. Here's why the PC doesn't win. The PC is inconvenient. It's just not worth it to play games on the PC when I can have just as much fun, and sometimes more fun, on my PS3. Or on my DS. Or on a trampoline. Things that don't require large amounts of effort to play with. Let's count the number of times I've needed to update the hardware in my PS3 sinse I bought it or the number of times I've needed to search for the latest driver for a game. Or how about the number of times my PS3 has said "**** you, I'm not playing that." just because the graphics hardware came from the wrong maker. I stopped PC gaming the moment I got my PS3 and I've never looked back. Silverbond

That's pretty much your argument. And, I say there are variables in usuability. But, aren't variables with my argument.

Oh, you have a PS3! Me too! :)
Seriously, I have a PS3. I don't game on my PC. People in SW should stop assuming crap all the time.

ok... honestly... I thought you were being serious until I saw this... and all I can say and question are: What? and Is this a troll topic or are you actually being serious?

If you ARE being serious, then I'm not going to bother even trying to argue over OPINIONS (when two people have already picked your arguement apart, ate it, then told you everything that's wrong with it and that these are all opinions..).

But if you aren't serious, then good job sir!.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Im just wondering whats going on? nothing offensive meant bud.

But yeah whats this spreadsheet talk is all about? really.

Is this some kind of new meme or something?

I mean ok its your spreadsheet and I know that you are proud of it but it's your own spreadsheet, you don't have to show it to us everytimewe are discussing something:P

HAZE-Unit

But it's not just my spreadsheet. It's SW's spreadsheet. I'm just trying to share it. :)

*scratches head*

SW's spreadsheet ? this is an official ownage for SW?

Kind of. It's the running tally for GS review scores for the 3 current consoles, and PC. It also highlights the exclusives in each category (AAAA,AAA,ect...) and gives a running tally of those as well. It omits all GS recognized handhelds (hard to understand considering this is System Wars, and those Sytems are also a part of the discussion) and of course has nothing to say about any game that GS, for whatever reason, does not review... those games just disappear.

All in all it's a tool. It can be a useful tool for certain discussions, but it is certainly not the only set of data we are allowed to discuss here in SW, or take into account when we think to ourselves how certain systems compare to each other, which is what this thread attempts to do.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="NeoMerlin"]To conclude: No. Here's why the PC doesn't win. The PC is inconvenient. It's just not worth it to play games on the PC when I can have just as much fun, and sometimes more fun, on my PS3. Or on my DS. Or on a trampoline. Things that don't require large amounts of effort to play with. Let's count the number of times I've needed to update the hardware in my PS3 sinse I bought it or the number of times I've needed to search for the latest driver for a game. Or how about the number of times my PS3 has said "**** you, I'm not playing that." just because the graphics hardware came from the wrong maker. I stopped PC gaming the moment I got my PS3 and I've never looked back. Phoenix534

That's pretty much your argument. And, I say there are variables in usuability. But, aren't variables with my argument.

Oh, you have a PS3! Me too! :)
Seriously, I have a PS3. I don't game on my PC. People in SW should stop assuming crap all the time.

And some of his arguements are bad. No game ever, adn I mean ever, needs a specific graphical hardware maker. Some companies do have preferences, like Valve and AMD, but you don't need an ATI card to play Valve games.

when you game is praised for basically it's graphics alone such as Crysis (even though I personally found it a good game). Those really aren't bad points at all. Also, some games do run VERY badly when not using the game's recommended settings. I would know, I went from playing on a computer that was only good at running HL2 to a computer that runs Crysis on nearly highest settings possible on DX10 (apart from like one visual option that doesn't make the game look much different). Computers are expensive beasts and do require A LOT of maintenance to get the best experience of the game as possible.

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"]Exclusives are not the only things that matter. When comparting lineups, totals are what counts, not whether the games are exclusive or not. The PS3 has 7 more AAAs, 5 fewer AAs, and 1 more A. These are facts. The PS3 won.Silverbond

Total libraries only count? Have you always used total libraries? Have you only used total libraries?

That's honestly the first time I've heard that. Perhaps it's because it suits your argument?

well im going to say this i guess i'm one of the few that don't care about who won this gen last gen or the gen after next. what i do care aboutare games. instead of being blinded by fanboy rage i play any game on any system if its something that interests me. i own both a 360 and a PS3 sony does some things that piss me off microsoft does some things that piss me off but i can look over thisas long as they keep coming out with good games on both systems. so while everybody else argues about pointless things like who won this gen, who has better graphics, what systems have more AAAE's and features i'll be reaping the benifits of what a good gaming year 2009 has been. so i'm going to play some games now and the rest of you can continue to call each other hermits, cows ,lemmings, goats, baboons, donkeys or what ever the hell you call each other now

I see no facts, only preference. I rather have 5 AAA top quality industry leading exclusive games then a bunch of AA's. I don't buy dozens of games a year just for one platform so I rather have the AAAE's over more AAE's, AE's don't even register with me, I'll play an AE game, but theres no way I'll shelve out 60 bucks for one. You still have multiplats to factor in, one can only buy so many games and I rather have less but better.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

I see votes saying I'm wrong and yet... no one is here to say why. To prove why.

Phoenix534

Well, it is System Wars. Most people here seem to believe "You're wrong" to be a valid arguement.

Here comes the PC fanboys, they are the worst of all.Drakes_Fortune

no cows are

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"]Exclusives are not the only things that matter. When comparting lineups, totals are what counts, not whether the games are exclusive or not. The PS3 has 7 more AAAs, 5 fewer AAs, and 1 more A. These are facts. The PS3 won.Silverbond

Total libraries only count? Have you always used total libraries? Have you only used total libraries?

That's honestly the first time I've heard that. Perhaps it's because it suits your argument?

So much of this systems wars forum is made up of QUANTITY statistics... Who has most, sold most, etc...

How many of you are share holders in Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo...? Probably not many. So why do you all care so much about "volume of"...?

Gamers need to make judgements based on QUALITY and PRICE - FULL STOP.

- Quality, Reliability and Features of Hardware

- Quality, Reliability and Features of Software

- Price of Hardware (Initial investment and ongoing costs)

- Price of Software

PC had more second rate games and infinitely more absolutely garbage games... Yay!

Xbox360 had more hw failures then Chinese import bok-choi brand video cards...

PS3 sold less units and had low quality multi-plat ports...

Honestly... They ALL SUCK!!!!

Now where is my Dam yo-yo... Its game time!

Now where is my Dam yo-yo... Its game time!

pattyp77

[QUOTE="pattyp77"]

Now where is my Dam yo-yo... Its game time!

NeoMerlin

Oh dammit!!!

My Yo-yo says I need to upgrade firmware before I can walk the dog... Typical!

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

That's pretty much your argument. And, I say there are variables in usuability. But, aren't variables with my argument.

Oh, you have a PS3! Me too! :)
Seriously, I have a PS3. I don't game on my PC. People in SW should stop assuming crap all the time.

Lucid1314

And some of his arguements are bad. No game ever, adn I mean ever, needs a specific graphical hardware maker. Some companies do have preferences, like Valve and AMD, but you don't need an ATI card to play Valve games.

when you game is praised for basically it's graphics alone such as Crysis (even though I personally found it a good game). Those really aren't bad points at all. Also, some games do run VERY badly when not using the game's recommended settings. I would know, I went from playing on a computer that was only good at running HL2 to a computer that runs Crysis on nearly highest settings possible on DX10 (apart from like one visual option that doesn't make the game look much different). Computers are expensive beasts and do require A LOT of maintenance to get the best experience of the game as possible.

The maintenance and expense of PC is highly overexaggerated. Also, half his arguement was that games wouldn't run because your graphics card was a certain brand, but no game requires you to have an ATI card to run. Same with nVidia cards.