Anyone else avoiding games with loot boxes this fall?

I really hate the practice it ruins a game. I'm won't buy lootboxes and I can't stand grinding. I can't justify the purchase if I'm going to be walled off from content.

AssCreed Origins Battlefront 2 Shadow of War. I would have probably purchased otherwise if it weren't for loot boxes.

The excuse I'll buy them when they're discounted doesn't matter. Once you've invested 6 or more hours to the game you're all ready committed to the system.

I have nothing to purchase this fall for my PS4. Currently I'm playing Skyrim special edition. I guess I'll have to rely on Skyrim and Dark Souls 3 to carry me over until after the holidays.

Personally loot boxes don't impact me in anyways cause I'm not gonna buy them using real money but however, there are times I'll ending up waiting for GOTY editions but other then that, it depends on the game itself.

I will wait for Shadow of War GOTY edition with everything included and I will buy Assassin's Creed: Origin on launch day just because I been away from AC since Black Flag and looking to get back into the series is a nice start with Origin?

Gamers will buy what they're told to buy. Media won't criticize it. Rich assholes will get richer. Offensive will become normality.

poo.

Not really.

If there is a game i really want, i don't care if it has loot boxes.

the only answer I can come up is buy the game, but don't buy the loot boxes.

Nope. As long as you don't spend any actual money on them, they're quite fun to use.

No, because I actually take the time to understand their implementation and how much if at all they actually affect anything, most do not. It's pretty silly to just swear off entire games because you see one implementation that you don't fully understand yet.

Saying the game will be a grind by default is a non-starter for any reasonable conversation on the matter.

in other words, defending Forza 7

It's in defense of any video games getting slammed by people irrationally and ignorantly jumping to conclusions without actually understanding what is going on.

Forza Motorsport 7 just so happens to be the hot ticket case of this most recently.

You've been on Forza 7 damage control since you got here, Captain Alt

I'm not buying any of those games, but it is more because I don't have any desire to play them than it is a statement against loot boxes. Loot boxes are where gaming is headed, it sucks, but it is. Developers and publishers need to find a way to recuperate the rising costs of making games.

The only damage I've been controlling with Forza 7 is gross misunderstanding and misinformation fabrication. For the umpteenth time, you dont know me.

Don't need to know you to see what you're doing

Not avoiding them. Not interested in them either though.

I might try out Destiny 2 when it comes out if that has loot boxes.

I don't really have any experience with them - seems like it would be better just to find loot in chests in the levels like Borderlands or something.

No, not really. I never spend money on loot boxes myself. I typically don’t mind them as long as they don’t impact my enjoyment of a game without them.

Regardless of what you think I am doing, you need to move along. You're thread stalking me constantly and souring every thread you enter with this distant non-involved persona you've created that only serves to question users and fails to actually discuss a topic at hand.

You drive duscussions off topic by going after individuals rather than the discussions, I have no qualms with reporting every instance of you doing this.

I mean, sure go ahead and karma ban yourself

Precisely the point, you're breaking rules not being enforced and harassing, trolling, spamming people, dragging things off topic and shirking the report system on the reliance of reports resulting in the reporter being banned.

Well so be it, there's a code of conduct and you're failing to abide by it so I'll do my part regardless of how it ends up for me, you need to stop.

lol, all this because an alt is upset about people being mean to Forza 7

Well, go ahead Captain Newbie, save the day. The Hero SW needs

Opening a lootbox in the Battlefront II beta starts feeling tedious after a while.

It's just so random and unrewarding.

Opening a chest in Zelda never gets old.

You do so much effort working your way towards that point and you know the prize will be worth it.

That's the difference between bad and good game design.

The former is a proper representation of how things actually work in life and the real world. Not everything will always be worth the effort involved and effort should never be rewarded equally. It defeats the appreciation for what you gain along the way and causes you to take things for granted.

Contrast is key in rewarding people, you appreciate the better things you get considerably more than if you were constantly imbued with them.

We're talking about video games, not your skewed view of reality

It's a fundamental of existence that applies to games the way it does everything else.

perhaps in your point of view, but that doesn't make it good game design

No that's just the way reality functions. If you constantly win, if you're constantly getting great things a situation loses its importance. It becomes boring, there's no excitement once you have adjusted, no anticipation, no surprise, no tension.

Everything that gives these things importance and value is lost because it morphs into an expectation. The downs are what give the ups meaning, value and importance.

but they're not talking about just being given things, but rather having worthwhile rewards. That the effort is equal to what is earned

@gamebox: Well since video games do exist in real life, and since I'd rather play a game with good game design than a game with bad game design, I'm gonna take Zelda's opening chests over opening some random unrewarding lootbox that comes with 'stuff' adding to the pile of 'stuff' I already own.

It applies all the same, knowing that you're always going to be rewarded greatly actually removes value from the situation as the inherent risk is lost. The unknown and ambiguity is what makes a reward exciting, it could be incredible or it could be average or terrible.

The excitement and tension provided by not knowing the end result is what makes it fun, that is good game design as it alwsys keeps a player gripping their seat in anticipation. The dichotomy of the situation is aptly providing a player with the right balance of both so as to not get discouraged, but constantly rewarding their effort equal to the reward is terrible game design.

Yeah, they really messed up with Forza 7. Having loot boxes is never a good idea. It speaks poorly of the integrity of the dev. Blatant greed.

maybe when it's cool cosmetics, but not when you're locking away content and unlocks/progression items. That's bad, especially for a MP focused game

Nope. I don't have any loot box additions. I am fully capable of buying a game and playing it without spending any money on side stuff.

They absolutely did not, the game is no more grindy than it has ever been. Racing games by default are a grind and this has not elevated that to any level beyond what has come before in this series or any other.

You're speaking out if turn for something you have no experience with, calling them greedy is also ridiculous considering their market is not only not implemented yet, it's completely optional.

@gamebox: Surprise, surprise. NyaDC defending MS, no matter how horrible the practice.

I am waiting for a Shadow of War complete edition or 90% off to compensate for their loot box bullshit.

I am skipping Forza which I wanted to play in VR.

And I am no longer playing Overwatch, which has to do with both the community taking the game seriously, and the boxes of temporary items that you need to buy real quick if you want them. But how many? Well it's anyone's guess.

I would skip Destiny 2 for sure because of their bad practices with Destiny 1, both the transaction system and the lack of content. I would totally advice anyone to wait for a more complete edition if any.

And even though I am enjoying Battlefront 2 Beta I am considering just not buying it because they could really screw us over with their box system and quite frankly they've shown that they love screwing us over (BF1 custom servers come to mind).

Funnily enough I did spend considerable money on in-game transactions like a week ago, in Path of Exile. The game is free, I played through it and heavily enjoyed it and decided to give them some money for their effort instead of buying that Diablo 3 Necromancer pack. I bought some stash tabs that I can use for future runs and characters and I walked away a happy customer. Didn't get f'd over, and they got some money out of it. Win-Win.

Do you guys think that linking me to that user and repeating their name constantly will somehow transition myself into them? Call the administration in here please, all of them. Your little annoyance of not engaging criticism of your shallow debates has run its course.

Each time I tear one of your arguments down you start whining about this person. You don't refute the argument, you cry. This guy must have really done a number on people around here.

@gamebox: Nice new tactic, Nya. It won't work, but nice.

@KungfuKitten: Forza would have been great in VR. I know that GT Sport has certain VR modes, so for VR that's a better choice.

Being a medical physician I would diagnose your condition as PTSD.

@gamebox: Being versed in NyaDC speak, I'd diagnose you as NyaDC.

be a decently long list

@reduc_ab_: Yeah I was looking at that one. I got distracted by Metroid Prime VR which sounds amazing even if it doesn't work for the full 100%.

@drlostrib: Long as a novel at this point. Dude is impressively neurotic if nothing else.

uh oh, @reduc_ab_ where did the alt touch you

my favorite is when he tries to reason with the mods with why they should let him stay. Last time, Byshop shut him down pretty hard

@drlostrib: Oh, don't get me wrong. I've got a certain sisterly fondness for Nya. ;)

Attempting backseat moderation with the wrong person isn't going to get you anywhere. If you have a grievance I'd suggest you take it up with the administration team instead of excramenting verbal diarrea all over this board.

@drlostrib: Yeah, Byshop owns Nya, no doubt.