Angry Joe weighs in on SFV's exclusivity EDIT: PART 2!

So Capcom can't develop a niche game like Deep Down (they're publishing it) but Sony steps in, funds and helps develop it, but says no to a PC version at launch.

Capcom can't develop SF5, Sony steps in, funds and helps develop it, but says yes to a pc version, with cross play.

Sony's not ok with a niche F2P game being pc, but is fine with a large, well known IP being cross playa nd everything. But they block off the xb1 version though. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

"hardly going to lose sales to pc"

But xb1 is going to lose alot more?

With 100 million Steam users?

With a game that will probably run ona potato, going by the graphics?

With a continous growth of teh genre, aswell has every other game, on the platform?"

With Netehrrealsm claiming them how the pc version of MK9 was way, way, way abve their expectations, and now MKX is on PC from the start?

"But pc doesn't matter". Sure it doesn't, that's why Deep Down and Let it Die are on PC.

yh im not reading that load of shit, got any proof for anything ur saying?

Except that Rise of the Tomb Raider is a continuation of TR2013's story line.

And I wonder how many viewers took anything from Joe's message about how idiotic the console wars are, and being the mentality of a 12 year old? :P

Yeah man, SF4 Ultra runs on the PC like it was originally designed for a calculator. And SF5 doesn't even look a whole lot better. No wonder SF4 still looks good on handheld devices.

Ofcourse you're not.

Any proof the game would happen without Sony?

Dude, use you brain, atleast once.

If Sony approached Capcom to eiter moenyhat, or help save the game and make a reality, why remove teh xbone version from the land, but plaster PC everywhere, with stuff like cross platform and "console exclusivity". They'd atleast not meantion PC until latter, like with GTA at E3, or No Man's Sky. Or that quick slip on the pc and mac version of Grim Fandango.

I'm not sayign Sony hates PC. They're clearly cool with cross platform. But i'm not seeing them be so cool when it's about large budget AAA games that are focused on the PS4.

You can try and go "pc doesn't matter", but nowadays, hat's no longer teh case. In fact, if, by some way BlazBlue CP or Gulty Gear Xrd come to PC, while not on xbox, it only proves my point.

What i believe happened was that cross play got into teh matter, and since xbox is already losing out on FFXIV because of it, it might be a similar situation.

Not one where Sony money killed the xb1 version of SF5, but one were MS's cross platform play policies killed Capcom's interest in working with them.

'A fan asked Ono on Twitter if he was secretly working on Street Fighter V for next-generation consoles, to which the designer replied, "I don't have R&D budget and staff." <<thats more fukin proof than u will ever have. u got nothing but mindless speculation based on stupid assumptions 'bu.bu.bu sony must have blocked deep down from releasing on pc' says fukin who?? where have capcom said we wanted to release pc version but sony blocked us?

u got nothing

@ghostwarrior786: That tweet is from 1.5 years ago. After that Ultra SF4 happened

Who cares? Why do people quote this fool like his opinion matters.

and if u had read the article he says he doesnt have the budget for a sequel, ultra is an expansion

@LJS9502_basic

Because he's oppinion really does matter ?

No Lulu his opinion doesn't really matter....it's no more important than any other person's. He's just a mouth breather with a youtube account.

@LJS9502_basic

And alot of Subscribers... Many of whom might be indecisive. He's oppinon matters only because people want it to matter, and thats enough for it to really matter.... I mean why are we all here talking about it ? If it didn't matter then we wouldn't be here.

Yes, and sf5 came after ultra dropped.

Anyway, until you bring evidence that this game would exist without Sony, i don't care. I didn't claim it's nto possible, It may very well have happened, just like maybe Sony moneyhatted it.

What i was originally saying is how this being a cross platform play game, and previous games have skipped xb1 because of this, it might be a factor

lmao im the one that needs to bring evidence? i have evidence that proves ur full of shit, if u want to disapprove what the actual devs have said then it is u that needs to bring proof not me

I bet you worship celebs as well.....

I bet you worship celebs as well.....

@LJS9502_basic

I can see why you'd think so, but nope.

I don't worship Joey and I don't worship Celebs... I'm a massive narcissist with a massive ego, I care about my oppinion.... Hell I probably think its better then yours or anyone else here..... But thats an issue for another day.... Lets talk about Street Fighter and how every other fighting game is better than it. ;)

If it was on the bone, there wouldn't be cross play with PC players.

Eh not a big fighting game fan....it's okay once in awhile Street Fighter was okay back in the day. Soul Caliber is better though. Last fighting game I bought was Injustice

So Angry Joe; "Sw is for 12 years old, grow up and get a PC"

every gamer is 12 years old

tekken doing same thing, I think its BS and this is just a timed esclusive I mean the trailer was leaked nothing is final yet but ppl luv to speculate

according to SE, tomb raider was a financial failure. SF is capcoms most successful franchise only behind resident evil. this was money hatting at its finest.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ono-says-no-budget-for-street-fighter-v/1100-6411507/

eh, we'll see what capcom comes out and says officially. my point still stands that TR was a failure financially and SF is one of capcoms most successful franchises.

As far as Tomb Raider goes, it at least makes sense that MS probably paid Square Enix a sizable amount of compensation for timed exclusivity, as was the case for Dead Rising 3 onthe Xbox One. In this case, I'd be willing to guess Capcom made this PS4 exclusive without a lick of financial compensation, and I agree with Joe that that's pretty baffling as that's likely what happened here, and even more so considering Capcom is willingly missing out on substantial revenues at a time when they could certainly use them. At most, I'm sure Sony would be willing to put in a little money in advertising the game when it's out as both MS and Sony do with multiplats, when we always see either MS or Sony logos and chimes at the end of ads, but those largely happen with multiplats with no conditions set on exclusivity, and for a large franchise like SFV that's not even necessary.

And he brings up a good point, the Street Fighter franchise is a big franchise and it's in no need of revival or funding. It makes sense smaller developers trying to launch new IPs jump on the PS4 bandwagon, after all Sony supporters are probably the most enthusiastic fanboys when it comes to supporting and hyping their exclusives. If you're an indie dev trying to make a name for yourself there's no better platform than on a Sony system. After all, Sony fans are very vocal, and worth more than tens-of-millions of dollars in paid advertising in large part to all the social media support for their games. Street Fighter V, however, is in no need of a interest revival, or this kind of support for greater brand recognition, and the benefit of doing so can't be worth cutting out the revenues Xbox One in Western markets could generate. This just seems like a bad decision unless Capcom gets something out of this we're not aware of.

Though, I'll admit this doesn't disappoint me as a SF fan or anything, in fact I loved the series in the past but had no interest in it last gen, didn't bother with any version of SFIV or MVC3, only game I played the last few years with any SF franchise usage was Project X Zone. Still, it bothers me in that I hope this doesn't become a pattern with Capcom of focusing on the PS4 to such a degree that MS has to pay for exclusives but Sony doesn't have to provide one cent to get theirs and Capcom willingly makes it exclusive at their own expense. If Capcom were on the take, that'd make a lot of sense, but if not then I really question their decisions.

@lamprey263: I don't think either one of you can speak for the financial deal between Sony and Capcom. But really....they isn't going to be a huge amount of lost revenue. X1 is not selling that well world wide and not 100% of the install base buys any one game anyway. They will lose some....yes. But if Sony picks up the advertising it's probably a wash. And that's without knowing if any money changed hands.

@LJS9502_basic

I love Fighting Games... I hate Street Fighter. I never understood Soul Calibur and Injustice is seriously unbalanced (Stage Hazards).

I'm a DoA fighter.

I dont really care for fighting games, so it doesnt bother me.

MS "Started these types of deals"

oh really? I seem to be reading this EVERY DAY by pre-pubescent kids who never experienced the PS2 vs XBOX gen and these kiddies want to shit all over Microsoft, yet lets look at the true facts:

Grand Theft Auto III & Vice City - EXCLUSIVE TO PS2 - Vice City wouldn't be on XBOX for a whole year later. Where were the crybabies then? Sony even kept Vice City off of PC for a year also.

Devil May Cry 1, 2, 3 - EXCLUSIVE TO PS2 - never on XBOX until the HD collection came out, Sony MONEYHATTED to make sure XBOX didn't get them. Were you crying about it then?

Metal Gear Solid 3, 4 - EXCLUSIVE TO PS2, PS3 - NEVER on XBOX or XBOX 360 - $ONY MONEYHATTED to make sure XBOX didn't get them. Where were the tears back then?

Final Fantasy X, X2 - EXCLUSIVE TO PS2 - NEVER ON XBOX - Sony must be EVIL since they MONEYHATTED to make sure those didn't come to XBOX. Don't remember people bitching back then?

and there are other games they made sure were kept off of XBOX consoles.

WHO is to "BLAME" again for making things "EXCLUSIVE"?

Sony started these "DEALS" long before Microsoft. Everyone just wants to shit all over Microsoft after getting Tomb Raider, truth is that Sony made sure things were "EXCLUSIVE" long ago and everybody used to praise them for it.

Oh so now an expansion costs the same as making new game? Hahaha ok u so clueless. And if u wana disapprove what the director is saying bring actual proof not some 9/11 conspiracy bullshit

No it wasnt

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-06-tomb-raiders-reboot-exceeded-profit-expectations-after-all

it exceeed profit expectations, google is ur friend

Could someone post a TL DR? Angry Joe makes good points, but he takes too long to make them and I'm really sick of all those "angry video game dude"s on Youtube.

Isn't it a third party game? So likely, money is being spend to withhold the game from people. That's the only reason that it ruffles our feathers.

Are you off your fucking rocker man?

Yeah, I am not buying that Capcom couldn't fund one of, if not the biggest franchise they own. I remember during the TR backlash some said if MS was funding the development then fine. Then Spencer said of course we adding to the marketing and development costs but it was still all bad to those gamers. Spare me the bullshit. This a tit for tat scenario. I don't care because I don't play fighting games all that much.

That's pure fanboy bullshit. If the guy down the hall from me starts robbing banks and not getting busted, it makes it all good for me to do so also? There is something called taking responsibility for your own actions in life or having integrity. Sony doing it now doesn't give them a free pass. If you hated when one did it, the other is just as guilty.

SFV wouldn't happen without Sony. Capcom stated last year that there wasn't enough in the bank to fund SFV. Sony's third party group is even funding the port for USFIV. Capcom is broke. Without Sony the best we probably would have gotten would be Ultra Super Hyper Street Fighters 4.5 on current gen PS4/XO/PC because a port cost A LOT less to produce than a brand new game.

Hell, we can't even get a proper Resident Evil mainline anymore. Revelation 2 looks very low budget and Dead Rising 3 was funded by Microsoft. Megaman is of course dead but I expect Nintendo to announce a partnership for the next title soon especially with the blue bomber being in Smash.

****expect Microsoft and Sony to kill each other for Resident Evil 7. Possible DMC5/DmC2 too. TekkenXSF either cancelled or picked up by one of the big three as an exclusive.

this isn't anything suprising. back in the psx and n64 days i think almost all or all Street Fighter games were on the original playstation while n64 got nothing. Capcom just likes Sony more or gets more money from them.

So is this a Bayonetta 2 situation? That would change things. I find it weird that Capcom is in trouble, with such successful series...

No budget for Street Fighter 5 =/= The game funded by Sony. I don't know why some people are calling it an evidence. This way we can even say that Gabe Newell funded the game and since they've good relationship with Sony , they allowed it to release on Ps4 and rule the world together. Come on guys.

It would appear to be. Despite all the conspiracy theories, the evidence we have says Capcom couldn't afford to make SFV. While they may have made it one day, it would not have been anytime soon and thus Sony's involvement probably allowed it to happen, just as in Bayo 2. As to how Capcom got into this mess, they made a mess of bad choices this last gen and a lot of titles under preformed. It is kinda similar to what happened to Square except instead of just a couple bad investments costing a lot, Capcom had a lot of bad investments each costing a little but it added up.

@Cloud_imperium: No body is stupid enough to make a big franchise like this exclusive to PC. The cost is too high and PC gaming doesn't generate money like consoles. Reason why most PC exclusives are indies or crowdfunded instead of being huge AAA like Uncharted or Quantum Break.

*Even Gabe Newell wouldn't make Half-Life 3 exclusive to Steam when it is announced. lol

@Legend002:

Angry joe clearly addressed people like you in the last three minutes. Lol .

@Cloud_imperium: He got his theory, I got mine. Telling people to get a PC over the console already hurt his credibility to me. I got a higher end PC and I still can't recommend that especially with the latest Bloodborne, Order and Uncharted footage that was shown.

Can we get an official source before the whole 'Sony steps in' becomes the go to excuse.

@HalcyonScarlet: We KNOW that Sony stepped in. The question is in what way?

Well, I hope that those people nodded their head in agreement because he's right.

I meant in the way that they helped finance the game.

Also I thought there was a Sony guy who said 'Sony don't do that' when MS did the TR thing.

@HalcyonScarlet: Crystal Dynamics said TR2 was happening and it was in development right after the first game for next gen consoleS. Capcom stated SFV wasn't happening just last year. A bit of a different situation wouldn't you agree?

All is speculation of course but the puzzle fits perfectly.

DMC franchise.................R.I.P.

LMAO. Someone is an xbox fanboy. He is so butthurt. He should cry more.