The video card that brought back ATI/AMD back into contention after the mediocre HD 2900 series. The 4800 series was a total game changer. The fact that a $200 GPU was 10%+ faster than nVidia's $600 beast 8800 GTX was nothing short of stunning. nVidia was totally blind sided by it and they actually took a loss that year while AMD's Graphics Division took a profit. Not only that the HD 4870 had the World's First GDDR5 Memory. It was also my first ATI/AMD GPU. :) The HD 4870 was killing it. Not only matching the performance of the GTX 260 which costs $100 more but even matched the $650 GTX 280 in some cases. You have to be a total moron to choose the GTX 260 over the HD 4870 (or a rabid nVidia fan boy). ;)
By the way while come we still don't make nice looking graphics cards with sexy chicks on them. All we now get is some ugly a$$ looking graphics cards that are bland and with no artwork. :P
I miss graphics card art from back then even the boxes they came in had some neat art too, now everything is all dull and minimalistic.
I remember watching this video back in the day that made fun of Nvidia and ATI. I wonder what the movie that got subbed over was. That crossfire bit killed me.
still got my 2900XT xD 512 bus ring?? ...then got 2x 4850s in Crossfire..then the last cards that I held for ages was 2x 5870s in crossfire... :)
Nice!
@zaryia said:
even back then PC was stomping crapsoles
Yeah. The HD 4850/HD 4870 would run circles around the Xbox 360 AND PS3. Look it even can play games like Tomb Raider 2013 in Normal Mode at 1080P.
@appariti0n said:
4870 was a good card, I started with one, got a second one used a year later and ran crossfire.
The 4850 was pretty shit tho, as for some reason they opted for single slot cooking rather than double, and it ran waaaay too hot.
You could get double slot though like the ones from XFX that came out around early 2009. Ironically nVidia blacklisted XFX around that time because they started producing AMD Graphics chips. Who could blame them? ATI HD 4800 series were the better GPU's back then. You wouldn't want to miss out on the cash. The profit margins on the GTX 260 and 280 were less because the GPU's were over 2X the size of the HD 4800 series.
The benefit for the 4850 being single slot though was that it was good fit for small form factor PC's. And for OEM's like Dell and HP. Which means it had wide option and people with those PC's got to enjoy mid to high end Graphics at the time.
I miss graphics card art from back then even the boxes they came in had some neat art too, now everything is all dull and minimalistic.
I remember watching this video back in the day that made fun of Nvidia and ATI. I wonder what the movie that got subbed over was. That crossfire bit killed me.
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@NoodleFighter said:
I miss graphics card art from back then even the boxes they came in had some neat art too, now everything is all dull and minimalistic.
I remember watching this video back in the day that made fun of Nvidia and ATI. I wonder what the movie that got subbed over was. That crossfire bit killed me.
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You are totally right. The shroud designs were way better back then.
The video is hilarious. Goes to show the mentality that was going around back then on the forums. I remember GTX 4XX series was supposed to come out to compete the HD 58XX series but nVidia was having difficult getting it to market. Remember wooden screws that people saw in one of the supposed "working" GTX 4XX series that nVidia CEO was showing which looked like it wasn't even finished. And when it did come out it was late and hot and wasn't better than the HD 5800 series.
@gamecubepad said:
I had a pair of 4830s back in the day. Great cards. Seems like crossfire and sli are dead since the revelation of the effects of sub-frame latency.
Yep pretty much. I saw a HD 4830 today on craigslist. Wonder I should pick it up and use it as a HTPC and to play older games. I am not sure how well DX 11, at least the early ones will perform. I used to have HD 6970 before I replaced it with a brand new rig. That used to play early DX 11 games quite well.
4870 was a good card, I started with one, got a second one used a year later and ran crossfire.
The 4850 was pretty shit tho, as for some reason they opted for single slot cooking rather than double, and it ran waaaay too hot.
This was also my first gaming card. 4870. I remember that bestbuy had a sale of it within the first month of release for $ 249. Instabuy. The 4870 and 5870 I have are still alive. Just noisy because the innards are dusty. Yep. They got to 90 degrees throughout the years and they were A OK. I only ocd them for a few months though. Was never really my thing.
AFAIK the 48XX line brought down NV's pricing by massive amounts.
Was truly a great card at it's time, too bad it has been quite the downhill since for AMD, really hope they bounce back or Intel manages to pull some kind of rabbit out of the hat
My very first Radeon card was the 9800 Pro around the time Half-Life 2 came out. It turned out to be a lemon that I had to RMA twice. I never bought another Radeon again. I should have known better. I have bought Nvidia cards since the original Riva TNT and never had an issue with any of them.
Found this picture on my Facebook from 7 years ago o.O
Went on a bit of a retro game playing spree and found that for some reason the older games tend to run better and have less compatibility issues on hardware from their era so bought a 4870x2........and here she is :D
I was rocking a 8800 GTS 320MB BFG card then upgraded to the XFX HD 4890 1GB GPU... It was a huge upgrade.
Also I would love to add stop lying to people... They where good for about 1-2 months then:
The HD 4850 and GTS 250 where the same price and the GTX 250 was better with more VRAM
The HD 4870 and the GTX 260 where $50 apart not $100
Nvidia released a GTX 275 for $250 the same price as the HD 4890 that completely wiped the floor with it
They were good but not that good. The HD 5 series where the cards that truly took competition to a new degree.
I am no fanboy but lets put it this way I jumped on the XFX 4890 and a month later the GTX 275 came out for the same price and just destroyed it in performance.
Yeah yeah, that used to be the joke at it's time lol. But anyways, my first graphics card was Geforce 8800 GTX just to play Crysis back in 2007 as that game introduce me to the world of PC gaming and from there, I never bother with Radeon cards back then, I wasn't all that PC tech savvy and stick with Nvidia.
I was rocking a 8800 GTS 320MB BFG card then upgraded to the XFX HD 4890 1GB GPU... It was a huge upgrade.
Also I would love to add stop lying to people... They where good for about 1-2 months then:
The HD 4850 and GTS 250 where the same price and the GTX 250 was better with more VRAM
The HD 4870 and the GTX 260 where $50 apart not $100
Nvidia released a GTX 275 for $250 the same price as the HD 4890 that completely wiped the floor with it
They were good but not that good. The HD 5 series where the cards that truly took competition to a new degree.
I am no fanboy but lets put it this way I jumped on the XFX 4890 and a month later the GTX 275 came out for the same price and just destroyed it in performance.
You're also forgetting the GTX 260 core 216 they also released to combat the HD4870...
I had a Zotac 260/216 and overclocked it was faster in the games I was playing at the time then the HD4890 that replaced it.
But Nvidia cards from that specific generation did overclock very very well compared to AMD's.
Was truly a great card at it's time, too bad it has been quite the downhill since for AMD, really hope they bounce back or Intel manages to pull some kind of rabbit out of the hat
Agreed, would love more competition in the video card market.
@scatteh316 said:
Man I love going through all the pictures of my old rigs....... here's one of my hybrid Crossfire 4870+4890 from back in the day :D
Man, things sure got bigger, fast. Look at those things.
4870 was a good card, I started with one, got a second one used a year later and ran crossfire.
The 4850 was pretty shit tho, as for some reason they opted for single slot cooking rather than double, and it ran waaaay too hot.
This was also my first gaming card. 4870. I remember that bestbuy had a sale of it within the first month of release for $ 249. Instabuy. The 4870 and 5870 I have are still alive. Just noisy because the innards are dusty. Yep. They got to 90 degrees throughout the years and they were A OK. I only ocd them for a few months though. Was never really my thing.
AFAIK the 48XX line brought down NV's pricing by massive amounts.
HD 4870 was my first ATI/AMD card. Was a nVidia guy up until then.
@BassMan said:
My very first Radeon card was the 9800 Pro around the time Half-Life 2 came out. It turned out to be a lemon that I had to RMA twice. I never bought another Radeon again. I should have known better. I have bought Nvidia cards since the original Riva TNT and never had an issue with any of them.
Right..because every Radeon card has issues. I had a GeForce 7600 on a gaming laptop that died because of nVidia's defective die packaging for which nVidia got sued and had to pay compensation. Doesn't mean that every nVidia generation has the same issue. Only a delusional fanboy would say something like that.
@scatteh316 said:
I had a few of these
- Sapphire 4870 Vapour-X 512Mb
- XFX 4890
- 2x 4870x2's..... (Sapphire and MSI)
And a few others I've forgot who the vendor was....
I always wanted to try a 4850x2 but everyone I found on eBay was spares or repairs.
Man you were a 4800 series fanboy. :P I will admit that it was a disruptive product. I still have a HD 4850 in one of my HTPC. Never, ever brought two GPU's from the same generation but the price/performance was so good in that generation and the fact that it was a single slot so can fit inside a HTPC easily is the reason I got it.
@scatteh316 said:
Found this picture on my Facebook from 7 years ago o.O
Went on a bit of a retro game playing spree and found that for some reason the older games tend to run better and have less compatibility issues on hard from their time so bought a 4870x2........and here she is :D
Nice pic! What CPU were you using? Looks like it was water cooled. Looks like things haven't changed much with respect water cooling. :)
@davillain- said:
But can it run Crysis?
Yeah yeah, that used to be the joke at it's time lol. But anyways, my first graphics card was Geforce 8800 GTX just to play Crysis back in 2007 as that game introduce me to the world of PC gaming and from there, I never bother with Radeon cards back then, I wasn't all that PC tech savvy and stick with Nvidia.
Used my 4870 to play Crysis and Crysis Warhead. Had GeForce 7600 GT prior but looked like s*** so I actually held off on playing Crysis until I got the HD 4870.
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:
I was rocking a 8800 GTS 320MB BFG card then upgraded to the XFX HD 4890 1GB GPU... It was a huge upgrade.
Also I would love to add stop lying to people... They where good for about 1-2 months then:
The HD 4850 and GTS 250 where the same price and the GTX 250 was better with more VRAM
The HD 4870 and the GTX 260 where $50 apart not $100
Nvidia released a GTX 275 for $250 the same price as the HD 4890 that completely wiped the floor with it
They were good but not that good. The HD 5 series where the cards that truly took competition to a new degree.
I am no fanboy but lets put it this way I jumped on the XFX 4890 and a month later the GTX 275 came out for the same price and just destroyed it in performance.
Uh no I am not lying. At launch the GTX 260 and 280 costs way more than the HD 4850 and HD 4870. You are posting benchmarks of things after which the price was lowered. It has the HD 4890 in your bench which was released after a year after the 4870/4850 launched in the year 2009. LOL.
It says it in the Anandtech article.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/2556/23
"in our testing we definitely saw this $300 part perform at the level of NVIDIA's $400 GT200 variant, the GTX 260. This fact clearly sets the 4870 in a performance class beyond its price."
But you are right the HD 58xx series took AMD to another level. Almost 2X the performance of the GTX 260/GTX 280. And it beat nVidia to market as it came out almost 6 months' earlier than the GTX 4XX series.
Found this picture on my Facebook from 7 years ago o.O
Went on a bit of a retro game playing spree and found that for some reason the older games tend to run better and have less compatibility issues on hard from their time so bought a 4870x2........and here she is :D
Nice pic! What CPU were you using? Looks like it was water cooled. Looks like things haven't changed much with respect water cooling. :)
I was using a Phenom 2 X6 1075T clocked at 4.2Ghz under water.
It ended up being run 24/7 under single stage at 4.8Ghz which got me the HWBot record for the highest clocked 1075T in the world that wasn't cooled by DICE or LN2.
It was also the fastest running 1075T in the world at the time also as it was cooled 24/7 by my single stage so that 4.8Ghz wasn't just a quick and dirty overclock for a HWBot submission like the other results as it was ran at 4.8Ghz 24/7.
But it will play most Xbox 360 and PS3 games at 1080P something that Xbox 360 and PS3 can only dream of.
@scatteh316 said:
@Xtasy26 said:
@scatteh316 said:
Found this picture on my Facebook from 7 years ago o.O
Went on a bit of a retro game playing spree and found that for some reason the older games tend to run better and have less compatibility issues on hard from their time so bought a 4870x2........and here she is :D
Nice pic! What CPU were you using? Looks like it was water cooled. Looks like things haven't changed much with respect water cooling. :)
I was using a Phenom 2 X6 1075T clocked at 4.2Ghz under water.
It ended up being run 24/7 under single stage at 4.8Ghz which got me the HWBot record for the highest clocked 1075T in the world that wasn't cooled by DICE or LN2.
It was also the fastest running 1075T in the world at the time also as it was cooled 24/7 by my single stage so that 4.8Ghz wasn't just a quick and dirty overclock for a HWBot submission like the other results as it was ran at 4.8Ghz 24/7.
A record that I believe I still have.
Wow! Thanks for the tid bit. It's impressive that the 1075T would go that high. 4.2 Ghz is almost as high as today's processors granted I know it's with stock cooling and obviously better IPC. But that is still impressive that fact that you even got it up till 4.8Ghz is even more impressive. Yeah I don't think anyone has broken that record. You might still have the fastest Phenom II record in the World! It would make an interesting video of someone trying to build a Phenom II rig using your setup trying to reach that clock for those old builds that I see on YouTube that people try to build. I wouldn't be surprised if it will play today's games at those clock speeds using a newer GPU of course.
@dxmcat said:
shouldnt this be in retro gaming
:P
Hey you are trying to make it sound old by using retro. ;) 10 years isn't that old...is it? ;) You are making me feel old. ;)
But it will play most Xbox 360 and PS3 games at 1080P something that Xbox 360 and PS3 can only dream of.
@scatteh316 said:
@Xtasy26 said:
@scatteh316 said:
Found this picture on my Facebook from 7 years ago o.O
Went on a bit of a retro game playing spree and found that for some reason the older games tend to run better and have less compatibility issues on hard from their time so bought a 4870x2........and here she is :D
Nice pic! What CPU were you using? Looks like it was water cooled. Looks like things haven't changed much with respect water cooling. :)
I was using a Phenom 2 X6 1075T clocked at 4.2Ghz under water.
It ended up being run 24/7 under single stage at 4.8Ghz which got me the HWBot record for the highest clocked 1075T in the world that wasn't cooled by DICE or LN2.
It was also the fastest running 1075T in the world at the time also as it was cooled 24/7 by my single stage so that 4.8Ghz wasn't just a quick and dirty overclock for a HWBot submission like the other results as it was ran at 4.8Ghz 24/7.
A record that I believe I still have.
Wow! Thanks for the tid bit. It's impressive that the 1075T would go that high. 4.2 Ghz is almost as high as today's processors granted I know it's with stock cooling and obviously better IPC. But that is still impressive that fact that you even got it up till 4.8Ghz is even more impressive. Yeah I don't think anyone has broken that record. You might still have the fastest Phenom II record in the World! It would make an interesting video of someone trying to build a Phenom II rig using your setup trying to reach that clock for those old builds that I see on YouTube that people try to build. I wouldn't be surprised if it will play today's games at those clock speeds using a newer GPU of course.
Even at 4.8Ghz a first generation i7 would easily be faster for gaming as Thubans IPC was very low in relation to Intel Nehalem architecture.
The record for the highest overclock on the 1075T is 6.4Ghz but was on liquid nitrogen and was not usable for every day use, mine was!
Mine clocked to 4.8Ghz because of the cooling as Phenom 2 had amazing cold scaling and just moving to -50c netted me an extra 300Mhz with the same voltage as 4.2Ghz.
You couldn't build a rig like it now unless you know people as single stage cooling has all but died out.
Just gonna chime in to say ive owned many radeons, and many nvidia cards, and ive had issues with both at times.
Hell my gtx 1080 had to be replaced after 2 months, due to artifacting in 2d applications, and I just rma’d a 980 ti for my buddy a second time. The rma replacement evga sent was also defective.
Just gonna chime in to say ive owned many radeons, and many nvidia cards, and ive had issues with both at times.
Hell my gtx 1080 had to be replaced after 2 months, due to artifacting in 2d applications, and I just rma’d a 980 ti for my buddy a second time. The rma replacement evga sent was also defective.
Maybe time to replace your PSU, seems like something is going very wrong in your PC.
@Gatygun: nah, the 980 ti cards werent in my system, they were in my friend’s. The 1080 i have in my pc from rma has been fine for around 2 years now.
Yeah yeah, that used to be the joke at it's time lol. But anyways, my first graphics card was Geforce 8800 GTX just to play Crysis back in 2007 as that game introduce me to the world of PC gaming and from there, I never bother with Radeon cards back then, I wasn't all that PC tech savvy and stick with Nvidia.
Used my 4870 to play Crysis and Crysis Warhead. Had GeForce 7600 GT prior but looked like s*** so I actually held off on playing Crysis until I got the HD 4870.
When Crysis first came out, the hardware that could play it on max settings at a playable framerate literally didn't exist yet. The most powerful GPU available at the time could barely stay in the 20's fps. But Crysis' biggest limitation today is the CPU performance. Crysis and Warhead had been optimal for scaling to 10+ Ghz dual core CPUs, but instead CPU technology moved to 4+ cores and the clock speeds stayed stuck at 3-4 Ghz.
In 2008, my GPU was a 512MB 8600 GT. Later on, I found out it can run Crysis Warhead (30+ FPS) at Medium with Shaders set to High at 1024x768, using a Celeron E3400. I did buy a Radeon HD 5700 the following year.
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