NFL: Matt Leinart to be release today, Sam Bradford named Rams starter.

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I know it's hard to believe, but Leinart in fact does not play in the NCAA anymore and did graduate to the NFL, though most people wouldn't know that by looking at his play. Anyways, NFL.com has a link on the homepage.

I wonder if the Jags are interested in Leinhart. Maybe they'll try to turn him into Mark Brunell 2.0 (back when he was good obviously) or something like that.

I wonder if the Jags are interested in Leinhart. Maybe they'll try to turn him into Mark Brunell 2.0 (back when he was good obviously) or something like that.

yokofox33

[QUOTE="yokofox33"]

I wonder if the Jags are interested in Leinhart. Maybe they'll try to turn him into Mark Brunell 2.0 (back when he was good obviously) or something like that.

CommanderShiro

Man I loved Brunell. He was awesome. I was just thinking out loud is all. I don't necessarily think it's a good idea either, but I'm not the front office.

I think the Cardinals are stupid. Why in earth would you want Anderson as your QB? Did they watch him play at all with the Browns....CleanPlayer

That should give you an idea just how awful Leinart is.

Plus..I don't have any links to back this up, but I've been listening to sports radio and they've been saying the rest of the Cardinals hate Matt Leinart. Supposedly he's more interested in being a celebrity than being a good football player, which wouldn't come as a surprise to me.

Maybe he'll rejoin w/Pete Carroll at Seattle

I think the Cardinals are stupid. Why in earth would you want Anderson as your QB? Did they watch him play at all with the Browns....CleanPlayer

I agree about the Card's stupidity

You have Warner who's a sure fire HOF QB that throws the ball down the field

Then for years you've been grooming a guy who HAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAY STYLE

Now when Warner retires you either have to change the team or you dump the QB you spent all this time grooming.

He's completing 75% of his passes with no turnovers and a QB rating of 93 this preseason, it's not like he can't play the position he's just not the right fit for this team and WTH is wrong with the Cards that they didn't know that the entire time he was there?

Morons

[QUOTE="CommanderShiro"]

[QUOTE="yokofox33"]

I wonder if the Jags are interested in Leinhart. Maybe they'll try to turn him into Mark Brunell 2.0 (back when he was good obviously) or something like that.

yokofox33

Man I loved Brunell. He was awesome. I was just thinking out loud is all. I don't necessarily think it's a good idea either, but I'm not the front office.

I wonder if the Jags are interested in Leinhart. Maybe they'll try to turn him into Mark Brunell 2.0 (back when he was good obviously) or something like that.

yokofox33

David Garrard is a better QB than Matt Leinart, hell if he gets support this season he could surprise people.

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]I think the Cardinals are stupid. Why in earth would you want Anderson as your QB? Did they watch him play at all with the Browns....Jaysonguy

I agree about the Card's stupidity

You have Warner who's a sure fire HOF QB that throws the ball down the field

Then for years you've been grooming a guy who HAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAY STYLE

Now when Warner retires you either have to change the team or you dump the QB you spent all this time grooming.

He's completing 75% of his passes with no turnovers and a QB rating of 93 this preseason, it's not like he can't play the position he's just not the right fit for this team and WTH is wrong with the Cards that they didn't know that the entire time he was there?

Morons

Anderson has always had accuracy problems, but he has better poise in the pocket and throws a longer ball than Leinart. I agree Arizona is in for trouble, but boo on them for not grabbing one to the quaterbacks available when they had the chance.

Grooming shmooming, Leinart sucks, period. He doesn't make good decisions, he turns the ball over, he's not a starting QB. JaMarcus Russel played well in the preseason too, that doesn't mean squat. Did you watch the game against the Bears? I'm telling you, that wasn't Leinart being a good quarterback, that was the Bears' defense handing him completions by not covering receivers. I hope someone does pick up Leinart and start him just so he can prove AGAIN to people like you what a *****y QB he really is.

As a Cards fan, I'm glad to see Leinart be released. It makes me happy cause of all the people that said he was a better QB than Vince Young. Matt will make someone a good 3rd string QB, he's not even good enough for 2nd. What a big flop. I think Anderson will do good, not great but better than Matt.

[QUOTE="yokofox33"]

I wonder if the Jags are interested in Leinhart. Maybe they'll try to turn him into Mark Brunell 2.0 (back when he was good obviously) or something like that.

theone86

David Garrard is a better QB than Matt Leinart, hell if he gets support this season he could surprise people.

Garrard is solid for sure. I just wish he would revert to the form he was in when he initially became the starter. Still, the Jags need playmakers. They don't really have any aside from MJD and perhaps Sims-Walker.

Arizona is stupid.

Derek Anderson.:lol: Oh and, change the thread title to NFL.

You guys don't really understand why Leinart isn't a good quarterback. Did he stats looks good in preseason? Sure. Doesn't mean a damn thing. He didn't throw a single pass past the 10 yard mark. Why? He's too afraid of getting picked off. And rightfully so because this guy is HORRIBLY inaccurate throwing deep. Their offense sputtered out when Leinart was in. It's not a coincidence. Leinart just isn't a good quarterback. And to add onto that, he has a bad attitude. He thinks he's good and there's nothing he needs to work on. If he really thought that taking the check down was making him look bad, why wouldn't he throw downfield to try and keep his job? It's because he didn't think that taking the check down every play is stupid. He thinks it's efficient when it's detrimental to getting down the field. Is Derek Anderson a franchise QB? Probably not. But he's above and beyond better than Leinart. He'll throw his picks, but he'll make plays too. He'll win them games by putting that ball up there for those receivers. If he has a solid supporting case there is no reason he can't be successful. And you saw it in preseason. There was an explosiveness to that offense that they just don't have with Leinart. Now, no one is going to replace Kurt Warner. But if they switch to a ball control offense, there's no reason they can't be a good team. Beanie Wells just needs to step up his game, and I think he's perfectly capable of it. frostybanana

Attack Leinart all you want, he showed flashes of being good and was never given a fair chance to prove himself. Leinart was never really given a fair chance. Also to Leinart haters, the point of preseason is to evaluate players to determine who makes the team and who gets starting jobs. MoonMarvel

Your post doesn't make any sense. I'm pretty sure Ken Wisenhunt knows how to evaluate offensive talent pretty well. Just a hunch.

You're right about the point of preseason though. Too bad Leinart never made much of an impression in all of his pre-seasons since 2006, let alone when he lost his starting job to Kurt Warner in the middle of 2007. The guy had all the weapons a QB could ask for and couldn't do anything even in garbage time when Warner would have to reenter the game just to assure victory due to Leinart's ineptitude.

But hey, if you think a guy with a career completion percentage of 57% with 14 TDs and 20 INTs is someone to build around, go for it man. At least Anderson can claim a winning season, more than one can say for Leinart. Wisenhunt gave Leinart more chances than most coaches would have done and he blew it.

I'm pretty sure Ken Wisenhunt knows how to evaluate offensive talent pretty well.

QuistisTrepe_

So he kept a QB that he doesn't trust and doesn't work with the system why?

Oh yeah he sure knows talent, that's why he spent the last 4 years grooming a guy who couldn't fit his style of play

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

I'm pretty sure Ken Wisenhunt knows how to evaluate offensive talent pretty well.

Jaysonguy

So he kept a QB that he doesn't trust and doesn't work with the system why?

Oh yeah he sure knows talent, that's why he spent the last 4 years grooming a guy who couldn't fit his style of play

Leinart was drafted during the Dennis Green years. Wisenhunt inherited Leinart. With a former first-round pick on hand, that saved him the trouble of finding a backup QB. Now that Warner is gone, Leinart's usefulness has run out. Cutting him in an uncapped year means less financial burden for the Cardinals. Leinart did nothing to justify another financial commitment from the Cardinals.

How anyone can ignore the obvious is beyond my comprehension.

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]I think the Cardinals are stupid. Why in earth would you want Anderson as your QB? Did they watch him play at all with the Browns....Jaysonguy

I agree about the Card's stupidity

You have Warner who's a sure fire HOF QB that throws the ball down the field

Then for years you've been grooming a guy who HAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAY STYLE

Now when Warner retires you either have to change the team or you dump the QB you spent all this time grooming.

He's completing 75% of his passes with no turnovers and a QB rating of 93 this preseason, it's not like he can't play the position he's just not the right fit for this team and WTH is wrong with the Cards that they didn't know that the entire time he was there?

Morons

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]I think the Cardinals are stupid. Why in earth would you want Anderson as your QB? Did they watch him play at all with the Browns....JML897

That should give you an idea just how awful Leinart is.

Plus..I don't have any links to back this up, but I've been listening to sports radio and they've been saying the rest of the Cardinals hate Matt Leinart. Supposedly he's more interested in being a celebrity than being a good football player, which wouldn't come as a surprise to me.

Your post doesn't make any sense. I'm pretty sure Ken Wisenhunt knows how to evaluate offensive talent pretty well. Just a hunch.QuistisTrepe_

You're right about the point of preseason though. Too bad Leinart never made much of an impression in all of his pre-seasons since 2006, let alone when he lost his starting job to Kurt Warner in the middle of 2007. The guy had all the weapons a QB could ask for and couldn't do anything even in garbage time when Warner would have to reenter the game just to assure victory due to Leinart's ineptitude.QuistisTrepe_

But hey, if you think a guy with a career completion percentage of 57% with 14 TDs and 20 INTs is someone to build around, go for it man. At least Anderson can claim a winning season, more than one can say for Leinart. Wisenhunt gave Leinart more chances than most coaches would have done and he blew it.QuistisTrepe_

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="yokofox33"]

I wonder if the Jags are interested in Leinhart. Maybe they'll try to turn him into Mark Brunell 2.0 (back when he was good obviously) or something like that.

yokofox33

David Garrard is a better QB than Matt Leinart, hell if he gets support this season he could surprise people.

Garrard is solid for sure. I just wish he would revert to the form he was in when he initially became the starter. Still, the Jags need playmakers. They don't really have any aside from MJD and perhaps Sims-Walker.

2009 Stats:

3,597 yards, 60.9% completion ratio, 15 TDs, 10 INTs, 83.5 rating. Sure, you'd like to see more TDs and fewer INTs, but he's still a damn good quarterback, he just gets crap for being in the same division as Peyton Manning and Matt Schaub. Also, though the receivers could be better I'm more inclined to blame the lack of support on the offensive line and their 44 sacks allowed last season.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

I'm pretty sure Ken Wisenhunt knows how to evaluate offensive talent pretty well.

So he kept a QB that he doesn't trust and doesn't work with the system why?

Oh yeah he sure knows talent, that's why he spent the last 4 years grooming a guy who couldn't fit his style of play

Leinart was drafted during the Dennis Green years. Wisenhunt inherited Leinart. With a former first-round pick on hand, that saved him the trouble of finding a backup QB. Now that Warner is gone, Leinart's usefulness has run out. Cutting him in an uncapped year means less financial burden for the Cardinals. Leinart did nothing to justify another financial commitment from the Cardinals.

How anyone can ignore the obvious is beyond my comprehension.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]Your post doesn't make any sense. I'm pretty sure Ken Wisenhunt knows how to evaluate offensive talent pretty well. Just a hunch.MoonMarvel

You're right about the point of preseason though. Too bad Leinart never made much of an impression in all of his pre-seasons since 2006, let alone when he lost his starting job to Kurt Warner in the middle of 2007. The guy had all the weapons a QB could ask for and couldn't do anything even in garbage time when Warner would have to reenter the game just to assure victory due to Leinart's ineptitude.QuistisTrepe_

But hey, if you think a guy with a career completion percentage of 57% with 14 TDs and 20 INTs is someone to build around, go for it man. At least Anderson can claim a winning season, more than one can say for Leinart. Wisenhunt gave Leinart more chances than most coaches would have done and he blew it.QuistisTrepe_

He kept Anderson because that was his only choice, they were late to the game picking up a quarterback and got stuck with Anderson. Still, Anderson has proven to be more effective in the past than Leinart.

Comparing Leinart to Aaron Rodgers is ridiculous. This guy has been given every chance to start. You forget that the first time they benched Leinart everyone thought it was a bad idea because Warner was past his prime. Leinart has lost the starting job more times than most QBs even get the chance. Compared to Rodger who, ya know, put up like 3k in his first season starting.

At least Anderson is humble. Leinart threw dumpoffs all preseason then threw a hissy fit when he got benched because completion percentage doesn't means squat if you can't complete a pass longer than 10 yards because you're gunshy. Face it, if his receivers didn't pick up good YAC he never would have gotten a third down passing, he's John Madden's worst nightmare. Anderson at least can push the ball downfield, and he did it successfully in one season with the Browns. I'll admit that's not enough to make him a franchise passer, but that does make him better than Whineart.

because that was his only choice, they were late to the game picking up a quarterback and got stuck with Anderson. Still, Anderson has proven to be more effective in the past than Leinart.

Comparing Leinart to Aaron Rodgers is ridiculous. This guy has been given every chance to start. You forget that the first time they benched Leinart everyone thought it was a bad idea because Warner was past his prime. Leinart has lost the starting job more times than most QBs even get the chance. Compared to Rodger who, ya know, put up like 3k in his first season starting.

At least Anderson is humble. Leinart threw dumpoffs all preseason then threw a hissy fit when he got benched because completion percentage doesn't means squat if you can't complete a pass longer than 10 yards because you're gunshy. Face it, if his receivers didn't pick up good YAC he never would have gotten a third down passing, he's John Madden's worst nightmare. Anderson at least can push the ball downfield, and he did it successfully in one season with the Browns. I'll admit that's not enough to make him a franchise passer, but that does make him better than Whineart.

theone86

I never did that, and compring Leinart to Warner is worse. Leinart was given zero chances and was forced to play in a system he didnt fit into. Also dont call comparing Leinart to Rodgers ridiculous and then do it. Rodgers spent 3 years as a backup before starting. Leinart spent the time as a backup then got fired without given a chance.

Anderson is overrated, had one good year and then choked every year after that. Anderson cannot push the ball down field, well not without getting picked off. His 3 tds and 10 ints last year with the browns proved that. Anderson has proven he has no potential. Arizona is in for a sub 500 year, Ken was never a good coach and has 1 or 2 years left before they move on. Just look how lackluster the Cards play during the regular season. Even their super bowl run had them finish 2 - 4 in their last 6 games.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Leinart was drafted during the Dennis Green years. Wisenhunt inherited Leinart. With a former first-round pick on hand, that saved him the trouble of finding a backup QB. Now that Warner is gone, Leinart's usefulness has run out. Cutting him in an uncapped year means less financial burden for the Cardinals. Leinart did nothing to justify another financial commitment from the Cardinals.

How anyone can ignore the obvious is beyond my comprehension.

theone86

You must be a USC fanboy, there's no other explanation for the statements you're making. Yeah, Ken Wisenhunt has only been an offensive coach for 15 years and an offensive NFL coach for 13. He's only coached the Steelers offense during their most successful years in recent history. He only coached Ben Roethlisberger during his first years in the league, brought him along, and took an offense controlled by him to a Superbowl Title. Yeah, he's only done that, but he can't recognize the OBVIOUS talent in Matt why-am-I-not-starting-I-came-from-USC? Leinart.

I still don't get why the Cards didn't go after McNabb. He lives in Arizona and he stated that he wanted to come play here, so wtf? lol They'd be a lot better off. Oh well, time to go start playing that Anderson gets injured down the line and Max Hall gets the starting role... START MAX HALL WISENHUNT!Messiahbolical-

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]I still don't get why the Cards didn't go after McNabb. He lives in Arizona and he stated that he wanted to come play here, so wtf? lol They'd be a lot better off. Oh well, time to go start playing that Anderson gets injured down the line and Max Hall gets the starting role... START MAX HALL WISENHUNT!MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Attack Leinart all you want, he showed flashes of being good and was never given a fair chance to prove himself. Leinart was never really given a fair chance. Also to Leinart haters, the point of preseason is to evaluate players to determine who makes the team and who gets starting jobs. QuistisTrepe_

Your post doesn't make any sense. I'm pretty sure Ken Wisenhunt knows how to evaluate offensive talent pretty well. Just a hunch.

You're right about the point of preseason though. Too bad Leinart never made much of an impression in all of his pre-seasons since 2006, let alone when he lost his starting job to Kurt Warner in the middle of 2007. The guy had all the weapons a QB could ask for and couldn't do anything even in garbage time when Warner would have to reenter the game just to assure victory due to Leinart's ineptitude.

But hey, if you think a guy with a career completion percentage of 57% with 14 TDs and 20 INTs is someone to build around, go for it man. At least Anderson can claim a winning season, more than one can say for Leinart. Wisenhunt gave Leinart more chances than most coaches would have done and he blew it.

Matt had a QB rating of 110 in this preseason. If you didn't know, that's good.

The only bad thing about Matt this preseason so far was his lack of big plays.

Matt had a QB rating of 110 in this preseason. If you didn't know, that's good.

The only bad thing about Matt this preseason so far was his lack of big plays.

Chutebox

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]I still don't get why the Cards didn't go after McNabb. He lives in Arizona and he stated that he wanted to come play here, so wtf? lol They'd be a lot better off. Oh well, time to go start playing that Anderson gets injured down the line and Max Hall gets the starting role... START MAX HALL WISENHUNT!Messiahbolical-

Bottom line is Matt is: 1) Not a leader 2) Not a good passer 3) has a weak arm and cant throw long passes 4) slow as hell 5) gets nervous easily 6) egotistical, expects stuff to be handed down to him on a silver platter 7) a whiner 8 ) GONE! YAY!

And yes, I'm eating my words saying this... but he's proven that those are words worth eating. :)

Matt had a QB rating of 110 in this preseason. If you didn't know, that's good.

The only bad thing about Matt this preseason so far was his lack of big plays.

Bottom line is Matt is: 1) Not a leader 2) Not a good passer 3) has a weak arm and cant throw long passes 4) slow as hell 5) gets nervous easily 6) egotistical, expects stuff to be handed down to him on a silver platter 7) a whiner 8 ) GONE! YAY!

And yes, I'm eating my words saying this... but he's proven that those are words worth eating. :)

Havent seen him, but I will take a look. There are always steals in the draft. The cards do have a good wideout core, just no QB to throw them the ball. If they had a good QB they would win their division again. MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Matt had a QB rating of 110 in this preseason. If you didn't know, that's good.

The only bad thing about Matt this preseason so far was his lack of big plays.

Messiahbolical-

Bottom line is Matt is: 1) Not a leader 2) Not a good passer 3) has a weak arm and cant throw long passes 4) slow as hell 5) gets nervous easily 6) egotistical, expects stuff to be handed down to him on a silver platter 7) a whiner 8 ) GONE! YAY!

And yes, I'm eating my words saying this... but he's proven that those are words worth eating. :)

Messiahbolical-

Matt had a QB rating of 110 in this preseason. If you didn't know, that's good.

The only bad thing about Matt this preseason so far was his lack of big plays.

So you want your QB to force passes? Well congrats, you got a QB that's gonna do just that lol.Chutebox

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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

I'm pretty sure Ken Wisenhunt knows how to evaluate offensive talent pretty well.

QuistisTrepe_

So he kept a QB that he doesn't trust and doesn't work with the system why?

Oh yeah he sure knows talent, that's why he spent the last 4 years grooming a guy who couldn't fit his style of play

Leinart was drafted during the Dennis Green years. Wisenhunt inherited Leinart. With a former first-round pick on hand, that saved him the trouble of finding a backup QB. Now that Warner is gone, Leinart's usefulness has run out. Cutting him in an uncapped year means less financial burden for the Cardinals. Leinart did nothing to justify another financial commitment from the Cardinals.

How anyone can ignore the obvious is beyond my comprehension.

Hmmm, so you think that anyone picked in the first round can be an automatic backup and he also follows the same process?

Interesting

So you're saying that for 4 years he kept Leinart on the roster to be a backup because being drafted in the first round means he'll be good at it except for the fact that he didn't fit the system and he can't run it?

Even better he kept Leinart on the roster as a backup thinking that Kurt Warner would never need to be removed from a game even though his history lists concussions and MCL injuries plus the assorted elbow, shoulder, and chest?

Wow, I only said that he doesn't have a knack for evaluating talent, you go WAY past that by showing that he can't run a depth chart AND that he doesn't know the history of his own players

I honestly did not think you'd be making this kind of argument against him